sin on bh a no no

PinkSuccubuS - Lost City

from my own xperience i hate party with sins on BH i always want bms instead
why they rush at thing with no hp and die before i can even heal them.
seen few vit sin wish i prefer but most are no vit and die mre then ather classes.

iff i ever can shoice between what class 2 have no sin for me b:laugh

now discuss ur own feeling

Faith_z - Sanctuary

there have been plenty of threads here from both sides, sins not gettinginto a squad or others not wanting a sin in their squad.

i have squaded with a few sins and so far i have had no trouble healing one. They just have to remember clerics dont run too fast b:chuckle

Ofcourse there are idiots in every class, i have had some pretty bad bms and barbs etc in squad too. Basically it isnt the class, its the player who plays it that makes it a good or a bad experience.

The squishyness of a sin shouldnt matter, wizards are squishy too, so are clerics, for healing that shouldnt matter, if you are on top of things. It all depends on the situation and how well the player playing the sin or any other caracter knows his class and knows the limits of present clerics and other squad members.

I wont choose for a squad without a sin over a squad with sin, basically i dont mind who is in squad, as long as everyone knows their role in a squad, and yes healing squishies can be a challenge, but thats the fun part, right?

Aadi - Lost City

I hate when clerics are like this. b:sweat

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

Wellspring is your friend.

Faith_z - Sanctuary

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

I hate when clerics are like this. b:sweat

You're a cleric too right? i dont wanna squad with you, youre squishy b:chuckle

Aadi - Lost City

Faith_z - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're a cleric too right? i dont wanna squad with you, youre squishy b:chuckle

QQ Nooooo I have to bow down to you because you're a cleric! I'll do whatever you say! b:cry

Faith_z - Sanctuary

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

QQ Nooooo I have to bow down to you because you're a cleric! I'll do whatever you say! b:cry

Thats the spirit, now buy a reset note and put all your points in vit b:chuckle

Aadi - Lost City

Faith_z - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thats the spirit, now buy a reset note and put all your points in vit b:chuckle

Yes ma'am b:cool

...Okay, on a serious note:

Why assassins and not archers? The only difference is that of an assassin rushing near an aoe boss, while an archer shoots from afar. They wear the same equipment and have the same build. Don't judge every assassin off of a few bad eggs. Everyone at lower levels is less experienced now, because of oracles and more BHs. Not just assassins, everyone. Don't try to pin it on one class.

Also, I'm just as annoyed with a BM being reckless, running in and aggroing mobs, as with an assassin. The only difference is less time to save the assassin...but with your attitude towards other classes, I'd assume you just let them die instead of risking your life trying to save them.

PinkSuccubuS - Lost City

OMG b:laughb:laugh


ok fact is yes wizz archer veno are also squeshy but that not the main problem. What is is that i have always watch over tank and bm and even iff they get mre mobs they still have more HP so less damage i can act better with those 2 also wiz archer veno always stay cleric 2 meas tehy are range classes s give me time 2 react.
BM Barb and Sin on the ather hand tend 2 we at range close 2 mobs meaning not always near me meaning i have 2 rush 2 them and bm and barb survive and sin die or almost die.

also i didnt make cleric us i love it i made it cos i hate waiting for one cos as i see it. Ppl wana DD wish should we fine but not when 80% of server want same thing wish make game inbalanced. anyways i prefer older more stronger melee over pvp sin and that how i see it unless sme awesome sin player make me wana change that fact i wont invlv myself with them unless they are friends.

Aadi - Lost City

...I can't understand that at ALL.

PinkSuccubuS - Lost City

nvm that.
i just have 2 think 2 much with sin and only sin on bhs wish is why i dont like them they were never meant 2 we party based classes 2 begin with.
charmed and they do ok i guess but nt every sin will have a charm and who
have time 2 hope THE one sin knews how to play it anyways

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

I have a standard procedure for healing squishie who repeatedly draw aggro / rush into situations - I let them die. Typically they either get the point or rage and leave the party. Either way the rest of the party is better off.

A good BM is not subject to that tho. I find good bms to be able to take care of themselves if they rush in, and I help when I can. Mostly cause more often then not if I do something dumb, it's a BM who saves my ****.

XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver

Translation: You don't like Sins because they require you to have to think? Kay. >.>

Accel - Raging Tide

Lol, you cannot judge an entire class based on one person's actions. b:cute

Ussichu - Sanctuary

I only rush in when i trust the other squad members will grab the other mobs off me. I can easily handle one mob in an instance with bloodpaint + ribstrike + evasion working 1/3 of the time

Mrvate - Heavens Tear

Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lol, you cannot judge an entire class based on one person's actions. b:cute

actually... yes you can. Now I won't refuse to squad with a sin, but in most cases I would far rather have a bm then a sin as far as crowd control goes. and I'd rather have an archer as far as DD goes. For the simple reasons that BM wears HA, and archer is ranged. There also might be alittle bit of a reason to avoid the class simply because it's the kind of class that would attract sociopaths (not saying that all people who play a sin is).

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary

lol eumh i think we just need to get more used having sin's in squad ,my friend is a sin and i help her often with bh's don't have troubles at all keeping her hp up, but yea i like bm's a bit more 2

Mericre - Harshlands

Faith_z - Sanctuary wrote: »

there have been plenty of threads here from both sides, sins not gettinginto a squad or others not wanting a sin in their squad.

i have squaded with a few sins and so far i have had no trouble healing one. They just have to remember clerics dont run too fast b:chuckle

Ofcourse there are idiots in every class, i have had some pretty bad bms and barbs etc in squad too. Basically it isnt the class, its the player who plays it that makes it a good or a bad experience.

The squishyness of a sin shouldnt matter, wizards are squishy too, so are clerics, for healing that shouldnt matter, if you are on top of things. It all depends on the situation and how well the player playing the sin or any other caracter knows his class and knows the limits of present clerics and other squad members.

I wont choose for a squad without a sin over a squad with sin, basically i dont mind who is in squad, as long as everyone knows their role in a squad, and yes healing squishies can be a challenge, but thats the fun part, right?

Holy Path should solve that problem. I use holy path when I have a stubborn squad who constantly attack mobs after another

volst

They can stealth, no need to worry about them.

Faith_z - Sanctuary

Mericre - Harshlands wrote: »

Holy Path should solve that problem. I use holy path when I have a stubborn squad who constantly attack mobs after another

I have holy path too, tho when a squad doesnt listen and doesnt realise a cleric can only keep up burning her genie stamina i tend to ' forget' i have holy path and see what happens, no way im going to bend myself in all corners to help a squad that doesnt listen in the first place.

XLusca - Heavens Tear

PinkSuccubuS - Lost City wrote: »

why they rush at thing with no hp and die before i can even heal them.

you must be one slow healer o.O
My 55 cleric can keep my 71 sin friend alive in the fb69
healing sins my own level during bh is even easier, I've never had any problems with sins and my gear isn't anything special

_Tsunami_ - Lost City

I really can't understand why people hate assassins so much...Belive me, i did many bh and the squad almost always loved me:

every mob die faster= faster bh run ;
boss die faster =as above, faster run;
bloodpaint for barbs/bms = less work for clerics and safer run ;
when, after a mistake, a barb/bm aggro a group of mobs i can: stop 1 for 7,2 seconds (have lvl 4 tacking slah), sleep the second for 5 seconds and stun the 3rd ;
in the end i can block the mob lured for 7,2 seconds and let the spell claster(s) to kill it whitout help of the melee classes = less coins for repair.

The only time i die (well,when i don't do mistakes as well cause u know,we are all humans) is when i must save spell casters and CLERICS from the mobs, aggroing (do this word really exist?lol) all mobs on me whit an aoe, to let them run.

Assassins are very well suited for party work and very help full, don't judge only because sometimes you find bad players...once u understand how it work it become one of your best teammates

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

I was like this in that other rpg I play the healer didn't like them to and like to think of themsleves as the tank maybe this one did.

Bollocks - Raging Tide

Just get used to it.. Its a downside of being a cleric. Bm's, Barb's and Sins like to rush of and expect you to follow and heal them. They will even start QQ when their charm ticks.. Only solution: Let them die. Then they know who is the boss in squad b:thanks

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

i dont mind sins at all personally but i do have to admit most of them are uber squishy. A good handful of them lean to the dex build which makes them really low in HP and pdef not to mention mdef. Few of them have charms on much less jiaozi or hp pots. The fact that they have high dmg makes them want to jump into the next mob, thinking they will save the day by killing off faster, when in fact most need clerics to babysit them.

Why? I tend to do the same thing on my sin atm. Pure dex but the extra def on me helps. I tend to leeroy so i always keep 4 things.
-hp charm
-jiaozi
-hp pots
-GA >.>

the good sins either
-have their own med kits ready
-can control aggro rate (can ignore epeen)
-waits for cleric

RedsRose - Lost City

FB99...Sea of Torment...


Squad of 101's = Myself, 3 Archers (all +10 or higher), 1 Mage (+10 HH100) and Barb.


^ Sins are the least of my issue b:surrender



No deaths = Priceless b:cute

Maragon - Dreamweaver

there are fails in every class.

I was in a BH 51 on my barb with a sin that wanted to tank the bosses and always used his speed skill to get to the next mobs ahead of me. we had a good cleric so he didnt die (at least on the mobs) but i was very tempted to let him tank rankar (who's aoe killed him btwb:chuckle) there does seem to be a trend here with sins though but I will always take anyone (unless I have had bad experiences with a certain person) in a squad as long as we have the essentials covered.

but things like this happen in every class. Like the 8x wiz that flamed me cuz I couldnt heal fast enough when he tried to tank ofotis in fb59 ...... in melee range

Aadi - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

FB99...Sea of Torment...


Squad of 101's = Myself, 3 Archers (all +10 or higher), 1 Mage (+10 HH100) and Barb.


^ Sins are the least of my issue b:surrender



No deaths = Priceless b:cute

How many aggro pulls? b:chuckle

_xXRoXaSXx_ - Heavens Tear

XLusca - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you must be one slow healer o.O
My 55 cleric can keep my 71 sin friend alive in the fb69
healing sins my own level during bh is even easier, I've never had any problems with sins and my gear isn't anything special

He speaks the truth b:thanks

Candie - Raging Tide

Why I don't want sins in squad ? Well , I just don't know what he can offer to it . Me and barb are the heart of the party . BM is my bodyguard , additional damage , and awesome dragon circle skill (don't know the name) . Veno can lure and can save barb's repair money by tanking some bosses with pet . Archer/wiz - squishy but RANGED DDers . And only sin is squishy melee DDer . Lets look at polearm . If sin doesn't steal aggro from barb by lucky crit and doesn't die instantly , he will eat boss aoes and probably die/retreat and use bow . And I prefer to see archer using the bow ... And taking agro from clerics ? Really ? Most sins just go invis when they get aggro , leaving me to deal with mobs

/Billion - Heavens Tear

from my own experience running BH 39-59 if a squad has more then 33% TB id say something smells fishy and ditch the squad.b:chuckle

ive seen TOO many sins that think they are BMs and psys that think they are not squishy...