PvP takes skill?

TigerLily - Lost City

Etaerc - Lost City wrote: »

How does that have anything to do with the amount of skill pvp on this game takes? Just because pvp doesn't take skill doesn't mean I don't enjoy it.. not to mention playing a blademaster properly is probably the closest thing to skillful.

Yes 8X BM 1 shooting/bypassing charm with:

Heaven's Flame + True Emptiness

Heaven's Flame + Bramble rage

Really takes skill o.o

It takes about as much skill as playing a phoenix pre 9X.

I guess bms at higher lvl does require some skill since you cant 1 shoot/bypass peoples charms with str/dex build genies anymore and you need to be fast switching between multiple weapons while chaining stuns.

But in general wizards takes more skill and timing than any class in pvp i would say. Most classes dont take skill as much as pure $$$ investment, all tho you can still enjoy the game of course.

Okeano - Harshlands

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

K, I want to see you solo a TT boss then. Go screen shot and then talk.

Solo TT? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB_3bXh1rQ8
Oh yeah, it's something Veno does everyday.
kthxbai b:bye

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So if I hit my opponent first, I'm obviously the winner, if not, I lose. Its like gambling, no such thing as gamble skills, its just pure luck your going through.

Lol. Mr. Q_Q I get pwnz by mobz that kites me twice before they just stand there and let me hitz them but fight people that constantly kite me and stunlock me is eazy.

Etaerc - Lost City

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

But in general wizards takes more skill and timing than any class in pvp i would say. Most classes dont take skill as much as pure $$$ investment, all tho you can still enjoy the game of course.

I'm not talking about 8x non-factor pvp. I don't even have true emptiness on my genie as the genie I'll use for pvp is on my main and the genie is level 90.

You can't compare the skill a blademaster takes to be good to any other class. Sure a wizard takes some skill but there isn't much past sealing and blinking at the right times and when to ulti or sutra.

Nakhimov - Lost City

short answer; not really.

Long answer; cashshop = refines + hax gear

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Solo TT? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB_3bXh1rQ8
Oh yeah, it's something Veno does everyday.
kthxbai b:bye

I seen that TT myself ingame, looks more like TT2-1 to me, and a LVL100 with refines lol. Easy spark gaining though. My barb could solo his BH without needing a charm. As people would say QFT

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Lol. Mr. Q_Q I get pwnz by mobz that kites me twice before they just stand there and let me hitz them but fight people that constantly kite me and stunlock me is eazy.

Hey they kite you 2 more times if you stun them, and again if you do it again. Apparently My barb could stop them from from kiting, my bm doesn't. My barb could solve that with tiger form, alacrity of the beast and surf impact combo. Also I have leaps with my BM and cloud's spirit and ocean's edge. I use the combos if they kite me. Works pretty much the same in PVP, oh and guess what? I can also somewhat kite melee with leap back, then sparking GG.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Everyone saying cash shop ? b:laugh
Then if everyone has uber gear + uber refines + uber item + uber genie + uber charm

no skill needed if everyone uber ? b:bye

Okeano - Harshlands

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I seen that TT myself ingame, looks more like TT2-1 to me, and a LVL100 with refines lol. Easy spark gaining though. My barb could solo his BH without needing a charm. As people would say QFT

What about Venos soloing TT? Since those weren't meant to be soloed by other classes, of course you'll need high lvl and good gear. Same in PvP, you aren't going to beat a level 100 if you are level 50 with avg shards. Own BH w/o charm, SS or didn't happen.

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hey they kite you 2 more times if you stun them, and again if you do it again. Apparently My barb could stop them from from kiting, my bm doesn't. My barb could solve that with tiger form, alacrity of the beast and surf impact combo. Also I have leaps with my BM and cloud's spirit and ocean's edge. I use the combos if they kite me. Works pretty much the same in PVP, oh and guess what? I can also somewhat kite melee with leap back, then sparking GG.

And what's so hard about that?

Kristoph - Lost City

Etaerc - Lost City wrote: »

You can't compare the skill a blademaster takes to be good to any other class. Sure a wizard takes some skill but there isn't much past sealing and blinking at the right times and when to ulti or sutra.

You can. I've played both BM and wizard and they're completely different. BMs takes far less skill in the survival department, as you have high defenses and HP along with stuns and genie skills, you hardly have to think about surviving. With enough interval gear you don't have to do much either, Roar-Cyclone Heel followed by occult ice when needed. That's already capable of killing things and can be repeated every 30-40 seconds. Wizards have a far easier job when it comes to killing things, but you need to know how to kite, otherwise you're just going to die. But no, you can't just hit sleep-ult or sutra and expect people to die to it.

Axels - Harshlands

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

You can. I've played both BM and wizard and they're completely different. BMs takes far less skill in the survival department, as you have high defenses and HP along with stuns and genie skills, you hardly have to think about surviving. With enough interval gear you don't have to do much either, Roar-Cyclone Heel followed by occult ice when needed. That's already capable of killing things and can be repeated every 30-40 seconds. Wizards have a far easier job when it comes to killing things, but you need to know how to kite, otherwise you're just going to die. But no, you can't just hit sleep-ult or sutra and expect people to die to it.

ummm it takes alot of cash or ingame money to get all the int gear and it wont be great till 90's or 99 where you can demon spark and (maybe) get 5 attack >.<

Etaerc - Lost City

Lu$t - Sanctuary wrote: »

Have you honestly played another class? I know(89wiz 90 archer) that at least the 2 mentioned classes takes tremendously more skill in PvP then my bm or assassin.

I've played every class(besides sin and psy) at 9x+, none being private server.

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

You can. I've played both BM and wizard and they're completely different. BMs takes far less skill in the survival department, as you have high defenses and HP along with stuns and genie skills, you hardly have to think about surviving. With enough interval gear you don't have to do much either, Roar-Cyclone Heel followed by occult ice when needed. That's already capable of killing things and can be repeated every 30-40 seconds. Wizards have a far easier job when it comes to killing things, but you need to know how to kite, otherwise you're just going to die. But no, you can't just hit sleep-ult or sutra and expect people to die to it.

Blademasters only have a lot more survivability pre-100. At 100 the difference between a blademaster's survivablity and a wizards is much smaller. We actually have to think more about surviving than mages because we don't have 30 meters to work with. In most cases we have to survive the initial assault just to get in range. Not to mention most classes have disables (archers stun, aim low - veno's stunlock with nix - clerics sleep, paralyze and 100 seal ) that increase the time it takes to get in range. Mages lack control skills which make them the second hardest class to play but make up for it greatly with a 25m+ instant cast blink that only has a 10 second cool down, a seal and a meh sleep. The addition of genies was bittersweet for warriors as a range insta cast stun is amazing but the addition of remove/anti stun genie skills and absolute domain hurts since now a stun can't really be considered a stun since you can use skills while under its condition. Sure once you have a stun landed and the opponent has no genie energy it becomes quite easy but the hardest part is creating that situation. I'm not saying every class besides a warrior is easy mode it's just they are predominately the hardest to master.

Nakhimov - Lost City

Etaerc - Lost City wrote: »

Blademasters only have a lot more survivability pre-100. At 100 the difference between a blademaster's survivablity and a wizards is much smaller. We actually have to think more about surviving than mages because we don't have 30 meters to work with. In most cases we have to survive the initial assault just to get in range. Not to mention most classes have disables (archers stun, aim low - veno's stunlock with nix - clerics sleep, paralyze and 100 seal ) that increase the time it takes to get in range. Mages lack control skills which make them the second hardest class to play but make up for it greatly with a 25m+ instant cast blink that only has a 10 second cool down, a seal and a meh sleep. The addition of genies was bittersweet for warriors as a range insta cast stun is amazing but the addition of remove/anti stun genie skills and absolute domain hurts since now a stun can't really be considered a stun since you can use skills while under its condition. Sure once you have a stun landed and the opponent has no genie energy it becomes quite easy but the hardest part is creating that situation. I'm not saying every class besides a warrior is easy mode it's just they are predominately the hardest to master.

Wait... what? You're joking right? 30m is the WR tiger leaps, mage blink is 25. (If you're sage, which you should be, ijs) and all those genie skills work both ways.

Jittery - Lost City

merigan1020 wrote: »

So i've been playing this game for about an hour or so maybe more...
I've come from World of ******** haven't played that for a year or so...
just wondering how much "skill" is required for playing this game

I've watched many pvp videos on youtube and most of them seem to be

-player presses 1
-player presses 2
-player presses 3

no moving at all, no line of sighting.
just standing still pushing buttons.

because if thats all this game comes down to
there really isnt skill required;

whoever's spells hit harder win.




is all of that actually involved in this game
or am i getting my hopes up for nothing.

just a question.

OK, i am goign to have to disagree with the mass majority of ppl here. yes, obviously there is a line that when crossed as far as cash shopping goes makes skill go out the window. but, the majority of ppl in the server arent running around with +12 weapons and gear. most plp i know have gear from +6-10 event gear, legendary, hh99 gold, etc. and that stuff is cash shopping but its not to the point where skill is out the window. Ive beaten ppl with muchhhh beter gear then me on more than one occasion. and ive beaten 2-3 ppl at the same time all of whom had better gear then me and rolled them all. making sure you have good gear is important, but you cant simply roll your face on the keyboard and expect to win...unless you got a +12, then roll away. so, i think you need to be able to have decent gear, but imo skill is much much more important. why else would a (when i was 8x) 8x veno be able to own 3 9x with event gear at the same time? i simply anticipated what they would do, potted, used the right skills, a little bit of kiting and picked em off 1 by 1 till they were all dead. skill FTW oh and P.S. in PWI we cant move like you can from side to side in WoW, but that dosent make the game any less fun or 3-d, i am all over the place when im fighting, your watching thewrong pvp videos imo.

Munsu - Lost City

Jittery, you are a veno. The most OP class in the game. You're nix can be counted as a plus 12 wep for all I care lol.

Venos with nixes don't take a lot of skill to kill people. That is all.



If you don't agree with me, than why did you reroll a veno from a mage?

Etaerc - Lost City

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

Wait... what? You're joking right? 30m is the WR tiger leaps, mage blink is 25. (If you're sage, which you should be, ijs) and all those genie skills work both ways.

Leaps are 32m total. Forward leap glitches in the air often and you have to stop for a moment to leap backwards. It's also 40 chi compared to the 10 sage has. You can't leap down/up to someone who is 30 meters vertical from you.

The fact that a warriors killing range is <5 meters versus a ranged classes 30 is huge. There is a lot you can do to keep the gap between a melee.

Of course genie skills work both ways. You know the meaning of the word
'bittersweet?' A 10meter no cast/channel stun is great but before genies if you were stunned you couldn't do anything. Being able to remove the stun really hurt bms because most of the time you get in range of someone now you can't expect to kill them unless they have no genie energy.

Maiira - Sanctuary

a nix isnt everything, people come up with counters all the time. maybe pvp is just knowing what to press but some1 has to come up with what to do. and just because something works in theory its alot harder to pull off. you can never anticipate the random genie skill that goes whamo maybe you have an instant cast skill with stun/sleep like a wiz then they 1shot you... but your target used vacuity powder and now you have heavy physical damage coming your way. every technique in this game has a counter whether its another players skills, items, gear, or pets. the skill in pvp is knowing what to do to counter the other players technique, ie... knowing what the barbs animation is for armageddon so when he genie stuns you you cane use genie to remove stun and time your spark just right so his armagedon returns with "resist" hehehe. skill is more bout experience with handling situations and knowing what to do and how to counter whatever the target throws at you. its not as simple as 1, 2, 3. and as for veno with nix as i use one all the time... op'd? not if the target decides hes gana kill your pet instead of you.

Archers_Soul - Lost City

pvp takes experience and a good computer. but that means nothing w/o cash shop.

th3insane wrote:

Best pvp class in item mall base mmorpg?
from my experienced by far all class is made uqually strong n balanced in pvp, the one make the difference is the person who play behind them. So the person who play it that make the class or character imba n OP.

in order of important :
1. Real MONEY > the best gear on the server, just for example in PerfectWorld online chinese server theres a hell priest that gear up his char with complete set of godly item all to max +12, this all cost him about $60k usd :shock: MONEY > best gaming PC/laptop, best internet conection to reduced laging n make pvp run smothly, even 1 sec laging is make a big diff in pvp.

2. SKILL > will come by experiencing the game n pvp mechanism, this may vary depent on ur talent :?

just my 2 cent...

Xprestigex - Harshlands

Etaerc - Lost City wrote: »

You can't compare the skill a blademaster takes to be good to any other class. Sure a wizard takes some skill but there isn't much past sealing and blinking at the right times and when to ulti or sutra.

Oviously you have never played a wiz, it takes a lot more then just teleporting, sealing and sleeping. If anything bm takes less skill because all you have to do is stun, swich weapons, or stun with genie. Both classes take skill to play but it takes a lot more effort to keep yourself alive and kill the other guy if your a wiz. Especally us non-csing wiz have a harder time, because we can't just + or gear to have a lot of hp easly.

Kristoph - Lost City

Etaerc - Lost City wrote: »

Blademasters only have a lot more survivability pre-100. At 100 the difference between a blademaster's survivablity and a wizards is much smaller. We actually have to think more about surviving than mages because we don't have 30 meters to work with. In most cases we have to survive the initial assault just to get in range. Not to mention most classes have disables (archers stun, aim low - veno's stunlock with nix - clerics sleep, paralyze and 100 seal ) that increase the time it takes to get in range. Mages lack control skills which make them the second hardest class to play but make up for it greatly with a 25m+ instant cast blink that only has a 10 second cool down, a seal and a meh sleep. The addition of genies was bittersweet for warriors as a range insta cast stun is amazing but the addition of remove/anti stun genie skills and absolute domain hurts since now a stun can't really be considered a stun since you can use skills while under its condition. Sure once you have a stun landed and the opponent has no genie energy it becomes quite easy but the hardest part is creating that situation. I'm not saying every class besides a warrior is easy mode it's just they are predominately the hardest to master.

Initial Assault? Blue sprint away or drop. Heal up, let your charm cool down, whatever. Then turn around. Accelerate in and stun. While attacking/stunlocking your charm/HP can recover again... and so on. In a 1v1 you have much higher pdef or mdef than a wizard, depending on what you're fighting. Wizards can't specialize in the same way, even if it can't be used on veno's and maybe archers. Far lower HP too.

Etaerc - Lost City wrote: »

Leaps are 32m total. Forward leap glitches in the air often and you have to stop for a moment to leap backwards. It's also 40 chi compared to the 10 sage has. You can't leap down/up to someone who is 30 meters vertical from you.

The fact that a warriors killing range is <5 meters versus a ranged classes 30 is huge. There is a lot you can do to keep the gap between a melee.

Of course genie skills work both ways. You know the meaning of the word
'bittersweet?' A 10meter no cast/channel stun is great but before genies if you were stunned you couldn't do anything. Being able to remove the stun really hurt bms because most of the time you get in range of someone now you can't expect to kill them unless they have no genie energy.

Wizards can't go vertical either... and nowadays, with the 3.2/6.2 aerogear along with leaps and holy path+both sprints on the ground, keeping a melee class off of you is far from easy. As a wizard you barely have time to get a spell off before a barb/BM is back in your face. You also have no natural immunity to stun or anything to absorb damage. Wizards also can't stun, seal isn't everything and is only really good for letting your charm cool down, because the casting time is so long you can only get one spell off afterwards.


There's only one skill that removes stun and one good immunity skill. Former has a 40 second cooldown and needs high dex to be reliable, meaning no genie recovery, and the latter has a 3 minute cooldown. Occult Ice, Roar and Drake Bash can be used much more often than that.

Criminal - Raging Tide

all u need is a stick and a rock and u can take out anybody in pk :P

Maiira - Sanctuary

Archers_Soul - Lost City wrote: »

pvp takes experience and a good computer. but that means nothing w/o cash shop.

not everyone spent irl money on gold to afford their gear. for people who have played for over a year its entirely possible to make ALOT of money in game to afford stuff. even the cashshoppers have class skills and have to know how to counter eachother. just cause someone has really really good gear doesnt mean they can waltz up to anyone they wand and go poof your dead... unless its wizzled on sanctuary server and there might be some like him on other servers. they are the "cashshoppers" and are an exception. pk isnt always a gank squad. it might just be some friends who want to fight vs eachother. even with tactics and doing crazy stunts can overcome the best geared players.

Archers_Soul - Lost City

Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »

not everyone spent irl money on gold to afford their gear. for people who have played for over a year its entirely possible to make ALOT of money in game to afford stuff. even the cashshoppers have class skills and have to know how to counter eachother. just cause someone has really really good gear doesnt mean they can waltz up to anyone they wand and go poof your dead... unless its wizzled on sanctuary server and there might be some like him on other servers. they are the "cashshoppers" and are an exception. pk isnt always a gank squad. it might just be some friends who want to fight vs eachother. even with tactics and doing crazy stunts can overcome the best geared players.

you can get money w/o cash shop which is true but those ppl will never measure up to some one who spends massive amounts of money or cash shop OR some one with a bunch of lands sending in money.

HieiCleric - Lost City

It seems to me that PvP is dependent on whoever has a bigger wallet to CS the most. After that it comes do to whoever can crit more. ijs

Sezan - Harshlands

Knowledge is power on this game,

Take a low level 85+ who is smart and knows what hes doing
Take a higher lvl say 95+ who is not so smart and a bit slower

The chances are the 85+ has more chance to win if he/she knows how to PvP better than the 95+, regardless of gears.

I haven't spent as much as most people on this game but I'm smart @ PvP & can kill them.

b:victory

Paimage - Harshlands

I wouldnt say the pvp in this game is jus about who has the best gear cuz when you fight sum1 with equivalent gear you hav to know about what skills to use and how to defend yourself against your opponent atks. Yes, this game is very gear dependent and I believe most games are but the pvp here does require sum skill and knowledge about your class and other class you are fighting against when both you and your opponents hav equivalent gears.
Sum1 said it already, download the game and test it for yourself.