What will the future of this game be like?

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary · February 2010

The issue starts with 2 things combined:
1. the Tideborn expansion.
2. the Raging Tide server.

The Tideborn expansion brought a dark and overpowered race into the game. This doesn't change players personality, but brings forward rude and careless behaviour we have not seen on other servers. I don't believe the problem is alot of new players, but the new players here are plying a totally different game, than what we started out with in closed/open beta.

The scale of the problem: just at the spot i am fighting at any time, more than 50% of the ppl coming by, is Kill Stealing (KS) me. So it's not the single act that the prob, but the endless waves of it. Kill Stealing is when you attack a mob another player have aggro on, and that can be several mobs. Some say they just wanted to help out, but ask a player before you start to help, ty. If I should report according to TOS (like I should do), I must submit screens and tickets on many players daily. In addition about 50% of the mentioned players that I tell how to play according to the rules of the game, they swear and laugh at me.

People that know me, know that i play fair and take this seriously as a game, not making more fuzz than is needed. I spend a big part of the game teaching players the rules instead of them doing so before starting to play.

I refuse to do 2 things:
1. change server.
2. leave the rule violations unattended.

I believe strongly that this problem is created by PWE and not the new gamers joining (those are most welcome here).
So the question has to be:

What will PWE do to adress and fix the issue at hand?

frankieraye wrote: »

As others here have stated, "kill-stealing" is not a violation unless it escalates into harassment, which would entail being followed from zone to zone.

Our GM's will not police "kill-stealing", but if you are being harassed, please send in a ticket with screen shots attached, and we will most certainly assist you.

This problem is more severe harassment than the stalking frankieray is describing as bannable.

Shealu - Heavens Tear · February 2010

closed for cause of QQ

Alexenokin - Lost City · February 2010

two things:

1) how many times are you going to re-post the EXACT SAME THREAD?

2) please remove the religious stuff, i find it offensive (not the religion, just the promotion)

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary · February 2010

IMO the tideborn race don't fit with the rest of the game setting, and should be released in another game or as a game of its own.

Saitada - Sanctuary · February 2010

Your name is offensive to me. Your signature is even more offensive to me. Your signature is also a violation of the TOS and your name borders on it in case you want to know. So seeing as you are so mad about following the rules, I suggest you modify your signature, and delete your character.

~S

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear · February 2010

What will happen to the game? Ah thats easy FF, lunar, warsong will enter the boutique this will then be followed by levels in stages of 1, 5, 10, 105, this in turned will be followed my all the various armours being made available thier aswell and when they get bored they will start to sell rep in there aswell so you little oracles nubs dont miss out on reputation b:cute

Btw, why the hell would you bring religion into a game? Its almost as bad as people tryin to bring in racism. There is no need for its a bloody game *face desk*.

Alexenokin - Lost City · February 2010

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

Your name is offensive. Your signature is offensive. Your signature is also a violation of the TOS and your name borders on it in case you want to know. So seeing as you are so mad about following the rules, I suggest you modify your signature, and delete your character.

~S

^ this

be glad you are being allowed to follow your beliefs ingame and on the forum

stop trying to ruin others lives as well

Rheth - Sanctuary · February 2010

only non troll here is hunter.

Alexenokin - Lost City · February 2010

Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »

only non troll here is hunter.

hunter's a troll too, we're all trolls here b:cute

Saitada - Sanctuary · February 2010

Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »

only non troll here is hunter.

I wasn't trolling. I was being deadly serious.

From the TOS

12. No inappropriate discussion types.
Inappropriate discussion-types include, but are not limited to, the following discussion types: Politics, Religious issues, Abortion debates, etc. Common sense should dictate what is appropriate or not.

~S

Alexenokin - Lost City · February 2010

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wasn't trolling. I was being deadly serious.

From the TOS

12. No inappropriate discussion types.
Inappropriate discussion-types include, but are not limited to, the following discussion types: Politics, Religious issues, Abortion debates, etc. Common sense should dictate what is appropriate or not.

~S

quoted for righteous truth

Rheth - Sanctuary · February 2010

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wasn't trolling. I was being deadly serious.

From the TOS

12. No inappropriate discussion types.
Inappropriate discussion-types include, but are not limited to, the following discussion types: Politics, Religious issues, Abortion debates, etc. Common sense should dictate what is appropriate or not.

~S

What is this Common sense you speak of b:shocked?

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »

hunter's a troll too, we're all trolls here b:cute

Im not a troll, im here to help b:chuckle. However, if i spot an oracle nub or an idiot i shall troll then b:cute.

Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »

What is this Common sense you speak of b:shocked?

Im not sure but there isn't much on Heaven's Tear.

Topic is about to be derailed.

Rheth - Sanctuary · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Im not a troll, im here to help b:chuckle. However, if i spot an oracle nub or an idiot i shall troll then b:cute.

Im not sure but there isn't much on Heaven's Tear.

Topic is about to be derailed.

thats when its okay to troll ;D

Alexenokin - Lost City · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Im not a troll, im here to help b:chuckle. However, if i spot an oracle nub or an idiot i shall troll then b:cute.

yush! that's the way! >:D

oh wait... i oracled three characters on raging tide >_>;

then again, i'm not a nub, so i'm exempt

Saitada - Sanctuary · February 2010

Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »

What is this Common sense you speak of b:shocked?

The Obituary of Common Sense

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, life isn't always fair, and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they themselves failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar can sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason.

He is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else is to Blame, and I'm A Victim.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

Rheth - Sanctuary · February 2010

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

The Obituary of Common Sense

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, life isn't always fair, and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they themselves failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar can sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason.

He is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else is to Blame, and I'm A Victim.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

Pure win [10chara....]

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

The Obituary of Common Sense

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, life isn't always fair, and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they themselves failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar can sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason.

He is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else is to Blame, and I'm A Victim.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

Lmao, that has got to be the best post you have ever made b:laughb:chuckleb:laugh.

Alexenokin - Lost City · February 2010

sai, i wish i could immortalize this in my siggy... but since that cant happen, i'll take a screenshot and embed a URL link to the uploaded screenie in my siggy instead

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

The Obituary of Common Sense

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, life isn't always fair, and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they themselves failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar can sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason.

He is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else is to Blame, and I'm A Victim.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

Saitada - Sanctuary · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lmao, that has got to be the best post you have ever made b:laughb:chuckleb:laugh.

I honestly can't take credit for it. I found it somewhere else on the web, but loved it so much I kept it.

Sadly, I think it is all to true.

~S

Rheth - Sanctuary · February 2010

Look at 85% of our community.Of course its true.

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I honestly can't take credit for it. I found it somewhere else on the web, but loved it so much I kept it.

Sadly, I think it is all to true.

~S

Still an awesome post/find even if the credit is not yours.

I agree, common sense died long ago, long long long ago.

Topic officially declared derailed thankfully steering it away from religion b:surrender.

Rheth - Sanctuary · February 2010

Passion of the ..... b:shocked

Alexenokin - Lost City · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Topic officially declared derailed thankfully steering it away from religion b:surrender.

nuuuu~

you be bringing the topic back to religion b:infuriated

frankieraye · February 2010

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

The issue starts with 2 things combined:
1. the Tideborn expansion.
2. the Raging Tide server.

The Tideborn expansion brought a dark and overpowered race into the game. This doesn't change players personality, but brings forward rude and careless behaviour we have not seen on other servers. I don't believe the problem is alot of new players, but the new players here are plying a totally different game, than what we started out with in closed/open beta.

Born_Again, you're saying that new players are playing a totally different game, one that, according to you, has changed for the worse.

1. How has it changed for the worse?

2. How is this linked to greater occurrences of "kill-stealing"?

frankieraye · February 2010

Your post seems to make the claim that the alleged increase in "kill-stealing" has been caused by the addition of a "dark and overpowered" race--the Tideborn.

The idea that they are overpowered is entirely your opinion, and one that is not shared universally. I was wondering if you could please tell us how the introduction of the Tideborn has directly led to more "kill-stealing".

Also, another thing to keep in mind is this:

When a new server opens, everyone starts at square one, and there is a much more realistic opportunity to become one of the elite players of the server. This leads to a much more competitive attitude among players--they are all trying to level faster than the next guy. This would be, in my opinion, a very logical cause for "kill-stealing" to be more prevalent on this server than on the older, more established servers.

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear · February 2010

frankieraye wrote: »

When a new server opens, everyone starts at square one, and there is a much more realistic opportunity to become one of the elite players of the server.

Then why did they release oracles for Raging Tide server launch if its a fresh start? If its supposed to give everyone a fair chance it complete contradicts one of the main reason for going to a new server, simply the person with the most money wins......

Saitada - Sanctuary · February 2010

frankieraye wrote: »

Born_Again, you're saying that new players are playing a totally different game, one that, according to you, has changed for the worse.

1. How has it changed for the worse?

2. How is this linked to greater occurrences of "kill-stealing"?

Frankie, you should know by now that Born_Again_ is a whiner that demands everyone play as he/she does. That is also unable to understand that there are things that effect ones view in the game (and who hit what mob first) such as latency etc.

He/She also seems to have a persecution complex (from my experience, most people who advertise their faiths in an MMO or other online game do).

Nothing that will be said here will in any way satisfy them because it won't be what they want.

~S

_makina_ - Sanctuary · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then why did they release oracles for Raging Tide server launch if its a fresh start? If its supposed to give everyone a fair chance it complete contradicts one of the main reason for going to a new server, simply the person with the most money wins......

Well, he did say start not finish b:chuckle.

AlbireoTwo - Lost City · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then why did they release oracles for Raging Tide server launch if its a fresh start? If its supposed to give everyone a fair chance it complete contradicts one of the main reason for going to a new server, simply the person with the most money wins......

It's a fresh start for everyone to be the first to oracle up.

Solandri - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »

2) please remove the religious stuff, i find it offensive (not the religion, just the promotion)

Lots of people promote their factions in their signature. If someone wishes to make a guild for religious people, how exactly do you propose he inform others of it? Are you advocating a ban on promoting all factions in signatures? Or are you suggesting that only religious factions should be singled out for the ban?

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wasn't trolling. I was being deadly serious.

From the TOS

12. No inappropriate discussion types.
Inappropriate discussion-types include, but are not limited to, the following discussion types: Politics, Religious issues, Abortion debates, etc. Common sense should dictate what is appropriate or not.

That's a ban on discussion of those issues. Merely mentioning that your faction is religious (or atheist, or German, or vampire-wannabes, or whatever) is not discussion.

Stating that you find the mere mention of it offensive, however, is discussion, and in violation of the TOS. The rule is there precisely to prevent what you two are trying to start - advocacy of something unrelated to the game. He does not make posts trying to convert people to his religion. You do not make posts complaining about his religion.

If you wish to give him a hard time, take it out on his in-game comments.

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