Role Psys play in squads.

Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver
Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 432 Arc User
edited February 2010 in General Discussion
(No, this is not a QQ thread. Kthnxbai.)

People don't seem to mind having a psychic in their squad, actually. I've found it easier to be a support DD during squads, and help out the clerics with healing if I need to (bubble of life's cooldown time shouldn't be so LONG). Usually I stay in the back with the archers and venos and help out the tank. I have some buffs, none of which are AOE, unfortunately, but if I select one person (usually the tank) I can cast them and wait ten minutes for them to come back.

So...why do you or why do you not want psys in your squad?
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  • Tamuz - Lost City
    Tamuz - Lost City Posts: 357 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    rofl not a QQ thread , yah b:chuckle
  • Siege - Dreamweaver
    Siege - Dreamweaver Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Because threads like these are starting to make me dislike Tideborn.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I have never had an issue with mine tbh.

    Great DD's.....IF you know how to time your attacks and know how to manage aggro b:chuckle
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    cause most psys dont know how to manage aggro or purposely try to still aggro so their epeens can hang out all over the place and then start BS about how much better they are than wizards.


    A lot of the stupid people in the game think that stealing aggro and dying = DD

    but no, thats not true.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver
    Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 432 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Taking This Topic Seriously = FAIL.
    Maturity = FAIL.
    Rudeness = FAIL.

    You manage aggro by waiting for two or more people to attack, and THEN you start hitting the monster. You avoid pulling aggro by using basic attacks and stopping your attacks every few minutes.

    I was only asking a simple question. Is this not a discussion forum?
  • Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear
    Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

    I was only asking a simple question. Is this not a discussion forum?

    Simple questions regarding what people think of TB lately have been going up in flames b:surrender
  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    empowered vigor, bubble of life if needed , really nice dd
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  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I don't mind having any class in a party so long as it does well in whatever needs to be done. Certain people, however, I will refuse to accept in my squad.
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Psychic don't have much problem to be accepted on squad, why make these thread ? b:surrender
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If all psy's do is be a backup cleric then, uh, why not take another, better cleric?

    Anyway. The reason people dislike sin/psy is that they haven't been out long enough to have legitimately levelled up.
    So every single one you meet above level 40 or so has just plain not had time to learn their class.

    Add to that the HUGE amount of aggro they (used to) pull and you have a problem in the making.


    Plus no one has really found a decent mental model for where to fit them that doens't just leave people thinking "So why not take a REAL (whatever)"
  • Dinny - Heavens Tear
    Dinny - Heavens Tear Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If all psy's do is be a backup cleric then, uh, why not take another, better cleric?

    Anyway. The reason people dislike sin/psy is that they haven't been out long enough to have legitimately levelled up.
    So every single one you meet above level 40 or so has just plain not had time to learn their class.

    Add to that the HUGE amount of aggro they (used to) pull and you have a problem in the making.


    Plus no one has really found a decent mental model for where to fit them that doens't just leave people thinking "So why not take a REAL (whatever)"

    This. I'd rather have a wizard (DD) or a cleric (healer) than a psychic, and I'd rather have a blademaster (DD) or archer (light armor/critting) than an assassin.

    But it's generally free for all: a cleric and barb or a solid herc veno, and everything else is fair game. b:laugh
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Dinny - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This. I'd rather have a wizard (DD) or a cleric (healer) than a psychic, and I'd rather have a blademaster (DD) or archer (light armor/critting) than an assassin.

    But it's generally free for all: a cleric and barb or a solid herc veno, and everything else is fair game. b:laugh

    Give tb a second chance please b:laugh they will has better behavior and more use full after gaining their sage demon 79 skill. (i hope b:surrender)
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  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Give tb a second chance please b:laugh they will has better behavior and more use full after gaining their sage demon 79 skill. (i hope b:surrender)
    Better behavior? Nah. That would require people to actually learn their class, as well as be willing to learn.
    Sure, if they learn their class properly.
    Not that all Psychics or Assassins are bad, there are some who do know what they're doing and are quite useful in squad. Even if they took advantage of Oracles and Hyper EXP to get into the 80s, as long as they're competent I don't mind. Also, the "legitimate leveling" line is probably well up into the 70s by now, it's been a while since Tideborn came out.

    The way I see it, Psychics and Assassins are primarily DDs, with a few support functions. Psychics get a great heal, though with a long cooldown, as well as several good AOEs. Assassins' Rib Strike is very useful in reducing boss damage, and they're great for saving squishies who get into trouble on the way to the boss with their stuns and freezes. There's also the Assassin speedrun, but that takes skill, coordination, good gear, and a bit of luck.
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ...They haven't been out long enough to have legitimately levelled up.
    So every single one you meet above level 40 or so has just plain not had time to learn their class.
    no oracles or nothing here, I'm level 59 and I KNOW my class. it's all legit leveling for me. so choose your words more carefully

    psy are the best magic dds there are at the moment. If used right can take ANYTHING down pretty easy.
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  • Selador - Heavens Tear
    Selador - Heavens Tear Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    no oracles or nothing here, I'm level 59 and I KNOW my class. it's all legit leveling for me. so choose your words more carefully

    psy are the best magic dds there are at the moment. If used right can take ANYTHING down pretty easy.

    Psychics aren't the best magic DD's. No freakin way. Sure psychics are great, but so is every other class. You just probably think you're great at that level but once you hit 80's it evens out.

    PW wasn't designed to be a solo game. Having said that, teaming up with wizards is just pure awesome b:dirty
    I pq'ed lots with a wizzie and the 2nd part where you gotta kill 50 mobs goes by in an instant. Even better, Psy + Wiz + Archer = great stuff!
  • Mandey - Dreamweaver
    Mandey - Dreamweaver Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Did you know like most double icons in the game, The psy heal CANCELS the clerics stacked IH? yea... >.>
    51 lvls in Calamity, **** whomever actually pressed the kick button on me, while I was at work no less, you coward.
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mandey - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Did you know like most double icons in the game, The psy heal CANCELS the clerics stacked IH? yea... >.>
    Really? Never tested it, since I've never seen it used simultaneously with IH, but if so, there's a huge potential fail situation. Anyone care to test it and confirm?
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »
    Really? Never tested it, since I've never seen it used simultaneously with IH, but if so, there's a huge potential fail situation. Anyone care to test it and confirm?

    Can't confirm for certain, but have had clerics in squad screaming about it and the tank die.
  • DeakonFrost - Lost City
    DeakonFrost - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    no oracles or nothing here, I'm level 59 and I KNOW my class. it's all legit leveling for me. so choose your words more carefully

    psy are the best magic dds there are at the moment. If used right can take ANYTHING down pretty easy.

    You're a noob, an idiot, and a flamer, too (both kinds)

    Please stop making waste of space threads and begin the /wrists process.
  • WraitHunter - Dreamweaver
    WraitHunter - Dreamweaver Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Role of psy in squad=pew pew
  • KallenHapti - Sanctuary
    KallenHapti - Sanctuary Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i like psy's party heal
    sins i like less 'cause they're melee and the second the boss loses aggro they can be owned pretty bad in a matter of seconds
    which means clerics have to stop heal tank to res and blah..
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  • Shealu - Heavens Tear
    Shealu - Heavens Tear Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    if u use soul of vengeance on the barb i know why they don t want you b:laugh
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Selador - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Psychics aren't the best magic DD's. No freakin way. Sure psychics are great, but so is every other class.
    I pq'ed lots with a wizzie and the 2nd part where you gotta kill 50 mobs goes by in an instant. Even better, Psy + Wiz + Archer = great stuff!
    I didn't say they hit hardest, I said they were BEST. and there's a reason for that. mix a wizard with a cleric and you got a psy.

    cleric = support class
    wizard = magic DD

    Wizard damage + cleric heal + nonmagic HEAVY attacks = psy = pwnage

    @DeakonFrost: you are the noob, I have played every class but bm, I know the strengths and weaknesses of each one, psy is the most solid built one
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  • AzureRequiem - Heavens Tear
    AzureRequiem - Heavens Tear Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Only time I have an issue with Psys is when they black voodoo, draw too much aggro, and refuse to either be voodooless or use black voodoo. If they are a pure build and dieing in one hit, theres not a whole lot I can do for them....
  • Risingson - Lost City
    Risingson - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If all psy's do is be a backup cleric then, uh, why not take another, better cleric?

    Anyway. The reason people dislike sin/psy is that they haven't been out long enough to have legitimately levelled up.
    So every single one you meet above level 40 or so has just plain not had time to learn their class.

    Add to that the HUGE amount of aggro they (used to) pull and you have a problem in the making.


    Plus no one has really found a decent mental model for where to fit them that doens't just leave people thinking "So why not take a REAL (whatever)"

    I'm level 78, didn't I have time to learn my class ? Maybe true. I mean, I probably haven't figured out how to fully play my class in PvP and haven't really thought of any strategies against the other classes, but I sure do know how to DD. I've never been rejected from a squad, and people are always gladly surprised to see how much damage I deal.

    As far as I know, Sins have a tougher time getting into squads than Psychics, and by much.

    Lol @Psytrac claiming that Psychic is the ultimate class. We won't outdamage a Wizard, don't get your hopes up. We certainly can't replace a Cleric, our heal is a nice add-on for casters and nothing else. Plus I believe Soulburn is a very situational skill that can indeed be lethal if you cast it at the right time. AND Wizards have like 6 times our phys. def with Stone Barrier.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Psychics are weak. I love mine and I hit fairly hard. I'm just saying that it's pointless to compare us to Wizards (even more pointless to compare us with Clerics) because we're just something else. We got debuffs and a LOT of effects. That's where we shine. Effects. And I'm hoping Demon Sage skills will focus on those.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Shealu - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    if u use soul of vengeance on the barb i know why they don t want you b:laugh

    When tanking as BM or barb with a psychic in squad, I ask for soul of vengeance. Sure, I have to pot a little more often, but the mana drain isn't all that much compared to a BM's skill mana cost, comparable to a barb's, and trivial compared to a cleric's. I can still fill up on a single potion, and don't have to chug another as soon as potion cooldown is over. I'd rather have a slightly higher potion bill and lower repair bill.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    My 65 barb tanked Zimo the other day with a faction ~61 psychic, faction ~77 wizard, no cleric, and 3 randoms (BM, assassin, and I think archer.) The psychic and wizard healed me. I had 0 charm ticks while bubble of life was active, several when I had to depend on only morning dew. (We had 0 deaths on that run.)
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  • Risingson - Lost City
    Risingson - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    And did you try withe Bubble of Life alone ? I doubt you would have survived. You'd get like ~1k heal over 15 seconds every 30 seconds... Would hardly be enough unless you're way overgeared.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    No, but I think it would be doable with 2 psychics alternating bubble of life.
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  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes, but two wizards alternating a maxed Morning Dew would do far better. Bubble of Life (L10) heals 30% of attack + 1000 every 30 seconds, Morning Dew (L10) heals 35% of attack + 1000 every 6 seconds or so. Not to mention Wizards can use Sutra + Morning Dew to rapidly top off your health for emergencies.

    In short, wizards still make better healers than Psychics, unless you're in a situation where the entire squad needs healing for some reason.

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