Question on a Rule.

Lady_Strike - Sanctuary
Lady_Strike - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
edited February 2010 in Venomancer
Just a question I need clarified.

I have a Phoenix and was recently told that I couldn't attack ground mobs unless I was on the ground using my nix. If I did attack in the air I could be banned. Can someone point out to me where this rule is, or if its even true? Thanks in advance. I haven't been able to find anything that says this.
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  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The problem wasn't people fighting from the air, it was people glitching the mobs/bosses. I'm not sure how, but I know there's a way to glitch it while fighting from the air so that the mob or boss can't attack you back. As long as it's hitting you (or your pet) back, you're fine. It's when they can't attack back that you're glitching it and it's not allowed. b:victory
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  • Lady_Strike - Sanctuary
    Lady_Strike - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ty for the info, I don't attack boss's with my nix, its just grinding regular mobs. I never heard about it before til tonight and I sure don't want to tick anyone off
  • Jennalicious - Sanctuary
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I have always found this issue to be half-way funny. We can get banned for a mistake made by the devs. If it's an issue, then the devs should fix it. If they don't, which they haven't, then I guess it's not that big of an issue.
  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Shes right (or he) but you are allowed to do that it will not result in a ban anyone who told you such a thing is mistaken. However you can glitch phys mobs by flying directly above them and sending your pet down they don't have a range so they cannot attack back its cheap thats why its bannable. There was a purge back near the beginning of the game of people who would do this they would be banned for doing it.

    I know its not that smart to reveal the glitch itself but I think its better that you know so you can avoid doing it. But note people who see it will report you cause people dislike venos like that :P

    So no its not a rule just make sure you pet can be damaged by the mob and your cool at least that what a gm said in one of the posts.

    And they can't fix it that would break the game.
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  • Jennalicious - Sanctuary
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited February 2010

    And they can't fix it that would break the game.


    How do you break an already broken game? b:chuckle
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Amusingly, the glitch has nothing to do with whether you're flying or not - it sometimes triggers even with you on the ground. It's not nix specific either, any flypet will sometimes do it.

    If it triggers, hit 'follow' then hit attack again.

    And don't abuse bugs. "But in football they don't make it so I CAN'T use karate on the opposition! They shouldn't send me off just for trying to kill the other team!"
  • Ryiah - Heavens Tear
    Ryiah - Heavens Tear Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    How do you break an already broken game? b:chuckle
    Yet the devs manage to consistent break things further as time goes on. Yet another glitch to watch out for is pulling things through doors. Like the FB29 boss.
  • jaeseu
    jaeseu Posts: 420 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    =| I still don't know why people pull things through the door in that instance, lol...it's so easy to just kill of everything in less than five minutes or so, depending on squad levels.

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    Anywho. xD
  • Magikrap - Lost City
    Magikrap - Lost City Posts: 289 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I have always found this issue to be half-way funny. We can get banned for a mistake made by the devs. If it's an issue, then the devs should fix it. If they don't, which they haven't, then I guess it's not that big of an issue.

    +1

    this
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    They can get banned for harassment. -That's my reply to them.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I was in a 3-1 squad and someone told me luring DeathFlow from the room, so it goes through the wall was bannable. (yet thats what every squad ive been in does.) But, it makes me wonder if luring Twilight Minister in 3-2 and 3-3 through his door is bannable. He shuts his door after the first hit he takes. So the only way to lure him out is through the door after a veno's pet hits it. :/ right?
    >.<
  • Jennalicious - Sanctuary
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If this is bannable, then there's a lot of Venos in the game who are subject to a ban. When I did my FB 29, the Veno (no, not me) lured the boss through the door. Curious, I asked how it was done, and they told me. Then literally everyone in the squad said that all Venos do this, and absolutely no one said that it was bannable.

    As I stated before, if this is such an issue, then a fix should be made for it. If it remains as it is, then it's kind of like saying that the devs either don't care that this happens or they allow it to happen.
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    But it still doesnt fall under the same concept as "Bannable because of glitching the mob/boss to where it couldnt attack you back while you attack it" This is also the reason why mobs/bosses become "immune to damage" for a few seconds if they cant aggro on you or your pet, and then they reset back to where they where before you attacked it. However, I dont see how luring something through a door or wall is bannable or even from the sky to the ground. When it gets to you, (doesnt matter if it comes through a door or wall.) It's still gonna attack you, or your pet, or someone in your squad(whoever is tanking) Now, if you somehow found a way to glitch the boss in the wall to where it couldnt use certain attacks or attack at all(i.e. ive heard of ppl doing this to Harpy) then i could see how that would be bannable. But, why the heck would you drive the boss into the wall? You wouldnt even get credit or drops because they would be stuck in the wall.
    >.<
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If this is bannable, then there's a lot of Venos in the game who are subject to a ban. When I did my FB 29, the Veno (no, not me) lured the boss through the door. Curious, I asked how it was done, and they told me. Then literally everyone in the squad said that all Venos do this, and absolutely no one said that it was bannable.

    As I stated before, if this is such an issue, then a fix should be made for it. If it remains as it is, then it's kind of like saying that the devs either don't care that this happens or they allow it to happen.

    Official response on pulling Qingzi through the door.

    F9 is there to let you set up esthetic screen shots, not to use to give you an advantage in battle. In order to prevent you from doing the latter, they'd have to take away the former.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Official response on pulling Qingzi through the door.

    F9 is there to let you set up esthetic screen shots, not to use to give you an advantage in battle. In order to prevent you from doing the latter, they'd have to take away the former.
    Since you can target now with the tab key, F9 is largely irrelevant.

    In one of the threads about pulling through doors, I posted how I was running through an FB when a mob started attacking me through a wall. I asked, if ordering my pet to attack a target through a wall/door is bannable, am I just supposed to stand there and die? Never got a GM to answer that.

    That's the type of catch-22 you create when you try to solve technical problems with social enforcement like bans. Technical problems (mobs not fighting back, mobs attacking/running through doors/walls, colored fox tails, non-tideborn characters with tideborn hairstyles, etc) need to be solved technically, not with silly rules which are sometimes enforced and sometimes not.

    But PWI has chosen to go about "fixing" programming bugs with new rules for the players to follow. So yeah, it's bannable.
  • Pinkiny - Raging Tide
    Pinkiny - Raging Tide Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Scolored fox tails, non-tideborn characters with tideborn hairstyles, etc) need to be solved technically, not with silly rules which are sometimes enforced and sometimes not.

    But PWI has chosen to go about "fixing" programming bugs with new rules for the players to follow. So yeah, it's bannable.

    Those two actually need you to change/move ini files.
    Thats Manipulating game files and is forbidden in every MMO i know about.

    The other 2 with the Boss luring through door and the "attack from above glitch", yeah that they should be able to fix pretty easy but i looks like they wont. Because they would need to fix collision checking of the game.

    In the end, they make the rules. There game, there rules.

    But it would be nice if those Bannable stuff would be posted somewhere in an announcement.
    You expect new Player to know all that...

    Follow them, or don't follow them. If you don't dont follow don't complain if get banned.
    Oh and btw, the whole squad can get banned for luring a mob through the door/wall. Thats why i leave squads when they want to do it. I don't report them tho.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Those two actually need you to change/move ini files.
    Thats Manipulating game files and is forbidden in every MMO i know about.

    Moving ini files is not changing them or manipulating them. They aren't even physically moved. It's like assigning a book in a library a new dewey decimal vs altering the contents of the book.
    In the end, they make the rules. There game, there rules.

    Most of the glitches that I have to deal with are in their favor. For example: if a mob can't attack my pet because of their glitch, it will aggro me (which may cause charm tick, genie stamina usage, or pot usage). I have yet to find however a distinct advantage to abusing the well known glitch that's seen plenty of opportunities for fixing.

    Because they charge for certain aspects of the game, they may be subject to rules other than their own.
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  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ok, but I still want to know about the boss in 3-2 and 3-3 that shuts its door after the first hit. Source here: http://www.ecatomb.net/boss-hh8.php (boss description at bottom) Would it be the same concept as Quinzi where its bannable to lure him through the door?
    >.<