why can't assasins be in squad?

Olivassin - Heavens Tear
Olivassin - Heavens Tear Posts: 360 Arc User
edited February 2010 in General Discussion
today, i went at center archo to do my BH. i put in chat "LFS for QIANJI" and i get an invitation. i get in. nice, 1 archer, me (assasin) and another one i don't remember what class were, but it wasn't barb or cleric. 2 seconds after i get kicked without any reason, there were spot for 1 cleric and 1 tank O.O

Then, well, i tried to talk to the leader of the squad why did he/she kick me, then i get "there wasn't spot for you", and i told him/her there was (we were 3 in total, there were 3 free spots) and he/she just shut up. PMd her few times until i saw it was useless.

Then i invite some random guy looking for qianji too and start chatting "LFM QIANJI and chain (ZIMO, DRAKE)" like i allways did, every 7-8 seconds press enter, row up, enter to repeat what just i said. then i get PMd by the leader of that squad:
-leader: You obiously not getting ppl
-me: why?
-leader: reason: 1. you are a sin, 2. you are spamming like crazy
-me: and?
-leader: that puts ppl off

then he/she chats on trade chat. i hate ppl talking in trade chat, since i think its only for trade.
-me: don't use trade chat!
-leader: uah... whatever... right.... i'm not getting blacklisted for spamming
-leader: lotsa ppl use it
-leader: but no one spams like u do

well... the fact is that i ended having full very nice squad way time before him/her.

So 2 things to denunce: 1. kicking me just because i'm 'sin, and 2. using trade chat for non-trade messages.

as for me, the spamming, a week ago i put a suggestion that no one cared, that's put a LFS list, where there u can see everyone that needs ur boss.
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  • Rinari - Raging Tide
    Rinari - Raging Tide Posts: 199 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    -wall of text-

    cool story bro


    lost my interest halfway thru


    less QQ maybe?
    Retired Character

    New main is Alexenokin of Lost City
  • Ephemerai - Sanctuary
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Must've run into Giodia xD

    Just kidding. There are people who are asses like that.. just move on and don't even bother with them.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Spamming chat is *annoying* Please don't do it.

    At a guess - the first squad had someone particular in mind for one of the spots, a friend they knew was coming.


    As a minor point though - no one can figure out what sins are for. But only a cleric or veno is needed for bh59, everyone else is optional.
  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Asses are asses,and by **** I don't mean assassins.
    Edit:Started a sin too since I don't believe other about damage output etc.The damage they do is crazy and you can see the difference starting by level 30 they are the best DPS class.On the other side without a charm or reg powder(50 ones and 100 hp ones later)you'll end up resting after each kill.
  • Contradicted - Sanctuary
    Contradicted - Sanctuary Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I have quite an easy time getting into bh squads its gamma thats bs
    every class has a use for gamma and us poor little sins and perhaps psys have absolutely no use therefore we have a harder time leveling.

    but seriously get used to being rejected alot. until we become more effective, hopefully we have amazing demon and sage bonus's for skills, we just wont be appreciated.
  • sandeep122
    sandeep122 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    today, i went at center archo to do my BH. i put in chat "LFS for QIANJI" and i get an invitation. i get in. nice, 1 archer, me (assasin) and another one i don't remember what class were, but it wasn't barb or cleric. 2 seconds after i get kicked without any reason, there were spot for 1 cleric and 1 tank O.O

    Then, well, i tried to talk to the leader of the squad why did he/she kick me, then i get "there wasn't spot for you", and i told him/her there was (we were 3 in total, there were 3 free spots) and he/she just shut up. PMd her few times until i saw it was useless.

    Then i invite some random guy looking for qianji too and start chatting "LFM QIANJI and chain (ZIMO, DRAKE)" like i allways did, every 7-8 seconds press enter, row up, enter to repeat what just i said. then i get PMd by the leader of that squad:



    then he/she chats on trade chat. i hate ppl talking in trade chat, since i think its only for trade.



    well... the fact is that i ended having full very nice squad way time before him/her.

    So 2 things to denunce: 1. kicking me just because i'm 'sin, and 2. using trade chat for non-trade messages.

    as for me, the spamming, a week ago i put a suggestion that no one cared, that's put a LFS list, where there u can see everyone that needs ur boss.


    if none taking u to there party , y not just make a party ? u r not forming a Rb party it Just a BH party .i am sure people will join u
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    it sucks you are underappreciated, any squad i go into i get: 'damnnn i love archers, they're damage is awesome.'

    9 times out of 10 i end up doing a majority of the work in these BH, and its amazing how useless people can be sometimes.

    archer's work is never done.
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  • Olivassin - Heavens Tear
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Spamming chat is *annoying* Please don't do it.

    i don't consider it as spam, or at least PW doesn't. they put u can't repeat the same msg in 6 secs to avoid spams. It's annoying to have everyone repeating same thing over and over every 8 secs? yes, it is. but when u keep in center archo like 15 minutes waiting for someone and there's 2 squads who need cleric, i'm sry but i want to pick up first =/. I usually start repeating msg when they're not visible anymore in the chat window.

    and i want you to notice that i'm not "jerk or spammer or whatever" for being an assasin, 1-2 months ago i was a BM and i was like the same =D
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Contradicted - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I have quite an easy time getting into bh squads its gamma thats bs
    every class has a use for gamma and us poor little sins and perhaps psys have absolutely no use therefore we have a harder time leveling.

    but seriously get used to being rejected alot. until we become more effective, hopefully we have amazing demon and sage bonus's for skills, we just wont be appreciated.

    The only ones who are ensured of a part in RB are:
    Barb, BM, cleric

    DD's is between archer/wiz (maybe psy, not sure about them).
    The last spot usually either goes to an extra DD, or someone who can kill fast to farm the back rooms (veno in the past for perfect squad, but DD or sin works to)
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  • Olivassin - Heavens Tear
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    sandeep122 wrote: »
    if none taking u to there party , y not just make a party ? u r not forming a Rb party it Just a BH party .i am sure people will join u

    yeah, thats what i did and i got full squad faster than that leader b:victory
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  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    So long as the squad obtains a barb, cleric, and essentials (if you need a veno, then veno) there shouldn't be a huge problem. You're probably just finding the idiots or people who hate the new classes for some reason.

    On my Psychic (before I stopped leveling to raise my Assassin) I would just say "Level x Psychic looking for BHXX" and I would usually get into a party fast. Just find the non-crappy people.

    As for Rebirth... the dungeon was set up before Tideborn came out, so it only really took into account the first 6 classes (most likely at least, and of course the rainbow squad bean bonus). There are some who like to mix it up and experiment (I recall seeing an entire Wizard Delta party that passed). But most will stick to the one of each original class or its small alterations.
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You're just as useful as archers imo. Infact I kinda prefer a sin because they have blood paint buff and can just stealth if they grab agro. BH's are very easy before 69. 3 people is all you need, tank, healer, lurer. Rest are simply DD and back up.

    I have yet to find a use for an archer in a bh below 69, beside rob agro and die too easily.
  • Bai_Qi - Heavens Tear
    Bai_Qi - Heavens Tear Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Real Simple, Do u have a faction? If no, come to us, we will help anytime. CrmsnDrgn look for me Bai_Qi. Simple
  • Kouankyuuka - Heavens Tear
    Kouankyuuka - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i don't consider it as spam, or at least PW doesn't. they put u can't repeat the same msg in 6 secs to avoid spams. It's annoying to have everyone repeating same thing over and over every 8 secs? yes, it is. but when u keep in center archo like 15 minutes waiting for someone and there's 2 squads who need cleric, i'm sry but i want to pick up first =/. I usually start repeating msg when they're not visible anymore in the chat window.

    and i want you to notice that i'm not "jerk or spammer or whatever" for being an assasin, 1-2 months ago i was a BM and i was like the same =D

    the free spot is reserved for another cleric just in case. also you were spamming 3-4 lines at times. that is spamming.

    remember what you told me after i used the trade window for LFM? You told me i cannot use trade chat for that when there are others obviously doing the same thing.

    you lack of something called patience and remember you told me "i got 2 sins and 2 clerics and 'something else'.i'm moving off"

    that sounds very childish of you. obviously you are just trying to spite me for kicking you out to reserve a spot for another cleric friend that may be coming.

    qq moar.
  • Shealu - Heavens Tear
    Shealu - Heavens Tear Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Must've run into Giodia xD
    ROFL

    Solution 1 : spam less.

    Solution 2 : don t bother with badass *whoops*.b:quiet

    Aspect 1 : idk if assasins realy have a hard time to get in squad but i seriously doubt it since they are great DD, or at least not more difficulty than wizz.

    Aspect 2 : if it s true then i m sry for all the sin of this PERFECT world, well let people time to get use to psy and sin maybe b:surrender.

    Aspect 3 : DON T use the forum for such useless thread as :"none likes me bouhouhou b:cry".
    EXCEPT IF YOU LOOK LIKE THAT :

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    Edit:wow i m so ironic today
  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    then he/she chats on trade chat. i hate ppl talking in trade chat, since i think its only for trade.

    You're entirely wrong about this part. Its been said Trade chat has the general purpose of being there for game functions that arent "chit-chat". These purposes largely include Trade & Looking for group/members. Things meant to be seen for functional purposes. They simply could not name it "Trade & Looking for group/members and other utilities chat" as that is way too long. It is not meant for ppl to have mundane discussions, but it IS meant to broadcast needs in a radius for others too see if you arent willing to go to World Chat & pay for that.
  • Contradicted - Sanctuary
    Contradicted - Sanctuary Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The only ones who are ensured of a part in RB are:
    Barb, BM, cleric

    DD's is between archer/wiz (maybe psy, not sure about them).
    The last spot usually either goes to an extra DD, or someone who can kill fast to farm the back rooms (veno in the past for perfect squad, but DD or sin works to)


    hmm yeah well most people dont think like you in the terms that sins may be able to handle themselves in gamma. People simply think "We know a veno can do it all, so theres no point trying a sin out" people arent open to change as much as they could be, they know one way works they cbf trying new ways
  • Olivassin - Heavens Tear
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kouankyuuka - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    [...]also you were spamming 3-4 lines at times. that is spamming.

    [...]

    that sounds very childish of you. obviously you are just trying to spite me for kicking you out to reserve a spot for another cleric friend that may be coming.
    Yeah, i said that i started spamming because i have a very limmited patience :P

    and what i wanted to do is show you that i wasn't wrong, and u were wrong telling me that no one will join my squad ;-D.

    and about the second cleric.... why didn't u just told me? i would say "nvm, i'll find another squad". I asked you why lots of times and u didn't have any reason then.

    or as squad leader, another thing u can do (that i usually do) is that if u're looking for one race in specific, ASK the guy who wants to join for its class. Its very unkind to invite someone and then kick him, he/she gets very disapointed.
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You're entirely wrong about this part. Its been said Trade chat has the general purpose of being there for game functions that arent "chit-chat".
    Ok ty vm, this was a question i had, i didn't know.
  • Kouankyuuka - Heavens Tear
    Kouankyuuka - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah, i said that i started spamming because i have a very limmited patience :P

    and what i wanted to do is show you that i wasn't wrong, and u were wrong telling me that no one will join my squad ;-D.

    and about the second cleric.... why didn't u just told me? i would say "nvm, i'll find another squad". I asked you why lots of times and u didn't have any reason then.

    or as squad leader, another thing u can do (that i usually do) is that if u're looking for one race in specific, ASK the guy who wants to join for its class. Its very unkind to invite someone and then kick him, he/she gets very disapointed.


    Ok ty vm, this was a question i had, i didn't know.

    i have stated LF - Tanker, Cleric - Qianji Chain

    i have pmed a cleric from friends list and another archer pmed another. so, we do need the spot free. i admit i'm desperate for clerics.

    as for DD, it can always be looked for later.

    also, another thing was that I told you "please stop pming me". not once. not twice. but more than 4 times.

    you were trying to be irritating till i had to blacklist you and removed your nick later. "i will not till i get an answer from you", sounds mature?

    also, pming me that you have created this thread is real mature of you.
  • Kouankyuuka - Heavens Tear
    Kouankyuuka - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You're just as useful as archers imo. Infact I kinda prefer a sin because they have blood paint buff and can just stealth if they grab agro. BH's are very easy before 69. 3 people is all you need, tank, healer, lurer. Rest are simply DD and back up.

    I have yet to find a use for an archer in a bh below 69, beside rob agro and die too easily.

    perhaps on your server. not on ht. i have 3k unbuffed hp. and i do control my aggro on when facing barbs that cannot hold aggro well.
  • Olivassin - Heavens Tear
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    awww don't be like that =/.

    first thing: don't lie because you got all messages i sent to you, means u didn't blacklist me b:victory

    then yeah, what i said it's not mature, but understand me, i was very desorientated since getting in and thinking "woot, in a minute we'll be on our way to boss" and just then get kicked, idk... maybe it's that i'm silly or **** or something, but idk what just happened and i want info. the only thing that i was exepecting was "Slots are reserved for tank and clerics only", thing that i never recieved. And i remember you that i stoped PMing when i said something like "i don't believe there's ppl like you". very last pm was to tell you i have full squad.

    And then i thought it would be kind and nice give you a chance to give your opinion or what u just lived here, so i don't get like the super-hero or the "ohh poor 'sin". it just to make things more fair for you. now that i think you would end seeing this post anyways so it was really unnecesary.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kouankyuuka - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i have stated LF - Tanker, Cleric - Qianji Chain

    i have pmed a cleric from friends list and another archer pmed another. so, we do need the spot free. i admit i'm desperate for clerics.

    A 78 archer is looking for a tanker for Qianji or any other 59 boss? Seriously? You can tank all those bosses, and hold aggro from anybody but a barb spamming flesh ream. What you should have been looking for was a lurer and a cleric.
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  • Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    >.> I see a lot of people lining up to go into the 59 for one stupid boss after the next. It's great because you can have a magic tank or a heavy tank, for all of of the bosses. Apparently, you two need to work out your issues. I would suggest taking the whining to PM's, to keep things from getting out of hand. You're both in the wrong. So, stfu and get over it. Otherwise, you'll both be back, when you hit 80. And you'll both be complaining about how you end up in squads that tell you not to attack or don't heal you when you take hits at Pole and Nob.

    Lack of effort on both of your parts. At best, this is a sad attempt at trolling. At worst, it's a pair of juvenile gamers that needed to try out their epeens and can't figure out how. q=(-_-)=p Two thumbs down.
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  • Starchief - Sanctuary
    Starchief - Sanctuary Posts: 606 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rinari - Raging Tide wrote: »
    cool story bro


    lost my interest halfway thru


    less QQ maybe?

    hahahahha xD xD xD
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  • Ephemerai - Sanctuary
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Asses are asses,and by **** I don't mean assassins.
    Edit:Started a sin too since I don't believe other about damage output etc.The damage they do is crazy and you can see the difference starting by level 30 they are the best DPS class.On the other side without a charm or reg powder(50 ones and 100 hp ones later)you'll end up resting after each kill.

    ^_^ Or you have tons of pots... b:surrender


    And... Went through BH59 with a squad of 2 venos, 2 assassins, a BM, and a Wiz. It was fun =D
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  • Olivassin - Heavens Tear
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    yeah right, i don't like making enemies.

    it has been only a missunderstanding.
    peace and love, not war plz b:cute b:surrender
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You're just as useful as archers imo. Infact I kinda prefer a sin because they have blood paint buff and can just stealth if they grab agro. BH's are very easy before 69. 3 people is all you need, tank, healer, lurer. Rest are simply DD and back up.

    I have yet to find a use for an archer in a bh below 69, beside rob agro and die too easily.

    Then you've squadded with stupid archers.

    Just like people tell us all not to lump every single sin into "oracle noob" category, don't run around lumping every single archer into "steals aggro and dies" category. A real archer knows how to nerf damage and also happens to know to stop all attacks when they get aggro.

    Basically, the real archers don't die. Also, thank you very much and since you were being so very generic about it, I can tank every BH 59 and under.

    I have yet to find a use for a BM in a BH below 69 for the above reason. =)
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  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    did a barb/bm/cleric/3 psychic RB. thought it was going to be fail but it worked especially seeing as it was the first time i've played by BM in over a year and first RB i ever did.
  • maocchi
    maocchi Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Doesn't really matter what class is in a squad before BH69...I've done tons of BH59's with pure DD squad. If the players are half decent you can usually get by without any death.

    Here's what I like to do when my Sin can't get in a squad; make one.

    I find that Dreamweaver has very little discrimination against classes. I've never run into a squad who has unreasonable hate towards Sins.

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