bow downsides

Ahknatn - Heavens Tear

im a level 37 sin and i bought a bow recently
and i feel like my power has increased greatly
for example
i put my bow and dags on nums so when i press 3 i get bow and 4 i get dags
so if im sure its a melee monster i use my bow on it till it comes to me then switch to daggers and tackling strike or deep sting it (deep sting is the that puts them to sleep right?) and maybe do a k hitter on it, then run away and shoot them with arrows again and when (if) they come back i finish them off with k hitters.
so i was wondering
wha are some disadvantages of sis using bows
(consider the fact that i do not pvp so please dont call me stupid)

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Only thing I can think of that it's slower than just killing them straight up. But it does save you pots.

Rubycc - Heavens Tear

bows are deffinately nice is certain situations.

im pretty sure bloodpaint doesn't activate on ranged hits so if your counting on that to heal you ur gonna need to switch to daggers (woudlnt' go bow vs magic or bow vs bow mob for example)

some mobs have a strong close range aoe (rankar) in which you might wanna dd outside with a bow to help the clerics out
-however most mobs with aoe (wyvern) have a big enough aoe that you can't shoot it from outside the aoe like an archer with bow mastery can.

obviously can't use skills while using bows but you can switch to daggers for those then switch back

Limeball - Heavens Tear

I absolutely hate chill of the deep, I find no practical use for it. Not even in PvP since i'm not skill dependant unless i'm using debuffs such as sleep, seal, stun or stealth.

I find it impractical for boss fights at the moment since it lasts far longer than I want it to and I cannot remove it myself, and venomancers don't have purge because more than half of them think it's a useless skill.

Instead of using CoD i'll use my bow to attack from long range, just sparking and switching over to daggers to use inner harmony and wolf emblem. My bow is higher in damage but slitghly slow in attack rate, and it's easier for the barb and cleric to recognize if the aggro has switched over to me since the boss would begin to run my way. (However i'm yet to steal aggro by using a bow). We don't really get the kind of range that archers do, so sometimes you'll still be stuck in an aoe.

I'll be using chill of the deep later on at 90+ when venomancers grow a brain and get purge. (Plus my crit rate and damage will be far higher.) The real reason I use a bow however, is PvP. It grants me a much needed range to kill those squishies that manage to escape me with just a little health left.

sjfloo

LOL!!

Limeball is so epic... I'm in love with his/her posts.

From my current experience, I can say two things about both bows AND CoD.

Bows:
Firstly, they are ranged weapons, which is great against melee mobs who aggro. Reason being, when you get close enuff, they hit you while you're hitting them anyway, so the element of surprise is never really on your side. Might as well get a couple arrows in before they strike back.

Secondly, we assassins are high in dex. This means we have a healthy crit chance in comparison to other classes, we have more accuracy in comparison as well, and we benefit from the use of ranged weaponry (damage-wise). While we may not have skills to show off with a bow (sadly), we do get to throw out some damage that pretty much reminds us of our standard dagger attacks.

As for squishies... I squish them in much flashier ways... *Knife Throw, Telestun, bleed...* I once crept into the shadows and ran reeeeaaaally fast (drama king) till i was in front of him and BOOM!! SLIPSTREAM STRIKE!!

Poetically beautiful when they forget how to fly...

CoD:
Since I'm pretty much responding to Limeball, this is piggyback info for whoever else reads it... CoD is brutally painful to your attack speed, and not being able to remove it in time for a boss fight does **** me off, but I also enjoy the boost in damage it gives (and oh my it gives quite a boost).

Evidently, we have different playing styles though; you use many standard attacks, whereas I almost spam skills one after the other, so CoD actually greatly benefits me. Since skills dont have an "attack speed," I generally use a stun skill, get a ferocious hit out, then creep back into the shadows for pvp. If it's against a barb, I actually fight far longer (until my Deaden Nerves ticks) before I decide to run away. With that in mind, every detrimental effect I can stack on a barb is good news to me.

Limeball - Heavens Tear

*Her :P

Lol, just that the tele/stun has a really long cooldown, sometimes they catch off you off guard forcing you to use it earlier. I'd use knife throw, but only depending on how much health they're left with since it's damage isn't really flash.

Besides, there's nothing like pulling out a weapon they wouldn't expect you to have and owning them with it :P. If I were to face a barb or BM in open PvP i'd just run away asap, I wouldn't want to waste my time or charm on 'em.

I checked up CoD's effects at higher levels, apparently maxed we get a 100% speed decrease, i'm not entirely sure if that's even possible but... No thanks. Not for me.

Trawne - Lost City

Limeball - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*Her :P

Lol, just that the tele/stun has a really long cooldown, sometimes they catch off you off guard forcing you to use it earlier. I'd use knife throw, but only depending on how much health they're left with since it's damage isn't really flash.

Besides, there's nothing like pulling out a weapon they wouldn't expect you to have and owning them with it :P. If I were to face a barb or BM in open PvP i'd just run away asap, I wouldn't want to waste my time or charm on 'em.

I checked up CoD's effects at higher levels, apparently maxed we get a 100% speed decrease, i'm not entirely sure if that's even possible but... No thanks. Not for me.

maxed it lowers your attack speed to .5 i believe...it's not actually 0.
CoD is simple for use:
If you use it - spam skills, dont get interval gear
If you don't - stack interval gear, use skills for effects only (better choice but more costly on gear)

Limeball - Heavens Tear

I'll probably find some instances where i'll need it later on but I can't imagine having a .5 attack rate. Painful

Kristoph - Lost City

Now that I have some more pdef from 78 armor, BMs/Barbs that are uncharmed are easy to kill, only real threat is True Emptiness in the air. Charmed ones are doable... but I usually lose since I don't have a charm. When I did equip a charm I had no problem mowing down a 79+ BM with double spark. If they try tanking it they're pretty screwed.


And bow = no mastery, relatively short range compared to archers and half assed damage. Has some uses but if you level shadow jump you shouldn't be wasting time with them honestly...

Swaze - Sanctuary

I would have to disagree

COD is a deadly PvP skill when tacked with your skills. You can try to auto attack but I dont think it is as effective

...at my lvl at least, I have yet to see its use at later lvls

Firefeng - Dreamweaver

The highest Assassin on DW (Ri$en, he's 100 now...) uses Wood dmg apo, double sparks in stealth, stuns out of stealth, and melees BMs/Barbs to death with lunar claws.

Skill spam is outdated in PVP, which is why more and more BMs/Barbs were/are switching to fists.

Slashreaver - Heavens Tear

lern apoth make life powders and focus powders. use them. go on 10 minuet killing spree on mobs. sell bow relishing you where doing it wrong. trust me on this that crafting skill plus sin = superman.

Norvian - Lost City

well i do use a bow and i agree it makes thing easier with some mob (the slower they are the best result), well of course we wont be archer but hey it helps alot for example on BH when there are mobs that explode.. healers can focus on tankers and you are safe..

As far as i know there is ony 2 skills that work with bow.. eruption spark, and CoD ^^ cool.. CoD it a skill some hate some just dont see the potencial..

i almost nver do normal attack i dont think ssins are meant for that, they are meant to finish the battle as fast as they can and for that they have to use skills.. with skills there is no need of attck rate i believe.. of course this is just game play style..

i have my bow and it helps me a lot since i do more normal damage with it than with my daggers.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Firefeng - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Skill spam is outdated in PVP, which is why more and more BMs/Barbs were/are switching to fists.

LOL, gtfo.

Firefeng - Dreamweaver

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

LOL, gtfo.

So when's the last time you took down a Barb with those fine axes of yours, DD?

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

Firefeng - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So when's the last time you took down a Barb with those fine axes of yours, DD?

You didn't specifically say vs HA but threw out a general statement of skill spamming is outdated. swordman's Sin can do that because he's got 700 mil of gears to back it up. I only have -0.15 int so I generally use GX on non-HAs. There are of course non-HA with event gears that GX just won't do, then I'd have to rely on Occult Ice to land after I spark and use fists, which doesn't land even close to 100% of the time. When it fails, I'm stuck with no chi and a genie in c/d. GX is a lot easier for killing your average lower 90 squishes.

Sin's skills have nice spike damages and would be better to kill non-HA unless you have full -int gears.

Waterboy - Lost City

Firefeng - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The highest Assassin on DW (Ri$en, he's 100 now...) uses Wood dmg apo, double sparks in stealth, stuns out of stealth, and melees BMs/Barbs to death with lunar claws.

Skill spam is outdated in PVP, which is why more and more BMs/Barbs were/are switching to fists.

lol welcome to a day in pk of a pw private server none of what he is doing is amazin b:bye

Firefeng - Dreamweaver

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You didn't specifically say vs HA but threw out a general statement of skill spamming is outdated. swordman's Sin can do that because he's got 700 mil of gears to back it up. I only have -0.15 int so I generally use GX on non-HAs. There are of course non-HA with event gears that GX just won't do, then I'd have to rely on Occult Ice to land after I spark and use fists, which doesn't land even close to 100% of the time. When it fails, I'm stuck with no chi and a genie in c/d. GX is a lot easier for killing your average lower 90 squishes.

Sin's skills have nice spike damages and would be better to kill non-HA unless you have full -int gears.

That's my point (although I will admit that I'm biased because most of my PVP experience comes from trying to kill Calamity's 9x with an 80 BM, and +5 Calamity Axes just don't cut it at that point).

Back before PWI decided to sell gear and rank through the cash shop, skill-spamming Sins (and GX BMs) would have been monsters at higher level. Interval gear was hard to come by. But nowadays, everyone and their mom is pimping lunar gear and highly refined grade 12 ornaments, and against them only melee classes who're also spending hundreds of millions on gear stand a decent chance.

At the same time, though, not everyone's gonna have interval -0.4 or -0.5 and +10-12 weapons.

Ahknatn - Heavens Tear

wtf are u guys still talking about my question was answered like a week ago

Limeball - Heavens Tear

You ask a question in the class forums, it will generally go off topic and turn into a never ending debate about something unrelated.