BH killing fun

jaded1

First time I've really posted on an alt, but I rather keep who I am shhh.

Everyone now spends all day it seems doing bh, at first I thought it would be a good thing but its not.

I ask, anyone wanna do FF? Can't we're trying to get our bh's done.

I ask, anyone wanna do TT? Can't we're trying to get our bh's done.

Faction member needs fb...

I ask, anyone wanna do FB? Can't we're trying to get our bh's done.

I ask, anyone wanna quest together? Can't we're trying to get our bh's done.

I ask, does anyone need bh 79? Yes, which boss do you need?

Its hard to get anyone to do anything anymore other than bh. People are even passing up fb's now for the stupid things. Especially since even bh 3 nets any player more than most fb's do.

The game is becoming no fun, I quit doing bh's due to the wine cost, and the time factor. Its become all this game seems to be about other than greed.

Anyone else agree? I wish they'd put the old system back in

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

I somewhat agree. It kind of seems like this is happening a bit. I think its still new and people will get bored of it sooner or later. A lot of people I know are still doing just the first bh daily. Or grabbing them 2 or 3 days in a row to do them to save on time and cost.

Try branching out to do things with other people. Maybe change factions?

Barbariankev - Heavens Tear

yeah its kinda anoying but i limit myself to 1 wine fee per day and no more cause it would get to expensive

but it will change most definatly otherwise look for other friends or an other faction

Lunk_Warleg - Sanctuary

Yes, this is truly understandable.
BH creates this void around it.

I just started a thread on looking for Rebirth squads/members on Sactuary server : not even 1 reply, and I bet the same will go if I will ask for RB Beta.

People are to obsessed with it. That is the main problem.

I see the existence of the BH quest over all as benefit, no matter this void of interest. But is should supply far less XP for lower level when it is anyway easy to level up. I mean, come on I do 3 BHs and can level up that day in my 40s. So it's weird because we are complaining about what we desire most : XP, but the mutations that BH had on this game are obvious.
People that have no interest in FB : I thought I would never live to see that day! Yet it is a reality.
So my point here is that BH should be there because it is a vital source of XP. Just that in my opinion it needs some tweaking: less XP for lower levels and gradually increase that proportion of XP as you go up leveling.
Oh..and maybe bring the socket stones back as a reward

Lady_Sam - Lost City

I kind of agree, they take up all my time. I spend all morning doing bh39 with my alt, then all afternoon doing bh69/79 on my veno. I'm pretty sure my alts got quests backed up from about 4 levels ago now. x_x

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Lunk_Warleg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, this is truly understandable.
BH creates this void around it.

I just started a thread on looking for Rebirth squads/members on Sactuary server : not even 1 reply, and I bet the same will go if I will ask for RB Beta.

People are to obsessed with it. That is the main problem.

I see the existence of the BH quest over all as benefit, no matter this void of interest. But is should supply far less XP for lower level when it is anyway easy to level up. I mean, come on I do 3 BHs and can level up that day in my 40s. So it's weird because we are complaining about what we desire most : XP, but the mutations that BH had on this game are obvious.
People that have no interest in FB : I thought I would never live to see that day! Yet it is a reality.
So my point here is that BH should be there because it is a vital source of XP. Just that in my opinion it needs some tweaking: less XP for lower levels and gradually increase that proportion of XP as you go up leveling.
Oh..and maybe bring the socket stones back as a reward

I agree with this 100%. My sin is only lvl 49 (exp locked) and I get 68% a day just from bh. Its been great for making leveled genies trying to get good lucky points and farming spirit. But yeah... the exp is too much for lowr lvls.

Lady_Sam - Lost City wrote: »

I kind of agree, they take up all my time. I spend all morning doing bh39 with my alt, then all afternoon doing bh69/79 on my veno. I'm pretty sure my alts got quests backed up from about 4 levels ago now. x_x

See? lol this is what OP was talking about!

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Lunk_Warleg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, this is truly understandable.
BH creates this void around it.

I just started a thread on looking for Rebirth squads/members on Sactuary server : not even 1 reply, and I bet the same will go if I will ask for RB Beta.

People are to obsessed with it. That is the main problem.

I see the existence of the BH quest over all as benefit, no matter this void of interest. But is should supply far less XP for lower level when it is anyway easy to level up. I mean, come on I do 3 BHs and can level up that day in my 40s. So it's weird because we are complaining about what we desire most : XP, but the mutations that BH had on this game are obvious.
People that have no interest in FB : I thought I would never live to see that day! Yet it is a reality.
So my point here is that BH should be there because it is a vital source of XP. Just that in my opinion it needs some tweaking: less XP for lower levels and gradually increase that proportion of XP as you go up leveling.
Oh..and maybe bring the socket stones back as a reward

um....people never really ran RB alpha and beta....
only gamma and delta be worth it
b:sweat
and yesh me still try to get into RB runs since 1.3 mil exp > BH's exp.
(but me will do the BH first since it be easier to get find a squad)

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

This was why I quit my only large faction I joined. TT? no. FB? no. Quests? no. Teach rb? no. WB? no. Frost? no. Anything? no.

ALL they did.....ALL day long....was dailies. That's it. They'd literally log on, do WQ/BH/CS then the experienced players would huddle off to do RB in their own little group then log off until tomorrow. What baffled me was they did it out of choice. No one wanted to do anything else. I don't even know what most of them leveled for....besides the elite high level group that ignored everyone lower than them and did RB/2-3/3-2/warsong. Basically though, the rest just leveled for the sake of doing more dailies at a higher level.

Why bother? I do half an hour to an hours dailys every few days and I'm 89. I could hit 90 in 2-3 days if I tried. The extra exp is nice but you're gonna level eventually. So why not relax and start to explore and enjoy what the game has on offer?

Solandri - Heavens Tear

jaded1 wrote: »

Everyone now spends all day it seems doing bh, at first I thought it would be a good thing but its not.

I think it's a good thing. Initially, like you, I was annoyed that it was reducing the number of people available for other stuff.

But then I realized it was filtering out the people who obsess over exp and leveling. The ones who aren't always busy with dailies are the ones who play to have fun, and are the ones I enjoy grouping with.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

This was why I quit my only large faction I joined. TT? no. FB? no. Quests? no. Teach rb? no. WB? no. Frost? no. Anything? no.

ALL they did.....ALL day long....was dailies. That's it. They'd literally log on, do WQ/BH/CS then the experienced players would huddle off to do RB in their own little group then log off until tomorrow. What baffled me was they did it out of choice. No one wanted to do anything else. I don't even know what most of them leveled for....besides the elite high level group that ignored everyone lower than them and did RB/2-3/3-2/warsong. Basically though, the rest just leveled for the sake of doing more dailies at a higher level.

Why bother? I do half an hour to an hours dailys every few days and I'm 89. I could hit 90 in 2-3 days if I tried. The extra exp is nice but you're gonna level eventually. So why not relax and start to explore and enjoy what the game has on offer?

This is so true. Its taken me like 6 months to lvl to lvl 91. I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed playing the game. Not oracle leveling, not out leveling others.. but just playing the game. It might take me another 6 months or more to get to even lvl 95. I don't care... I'm having fun! Isn't that what this game is about?

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think it's a good thing. Initially, like you, I was annoyed that it was reducing the number of people available for other stuff.

But then I realized it was filtering out the people who obsess over exp and leveling. The ones who aren't always busy with dailies are the ones who play to have fun, and are the ones I enjoy grouping with.

This is a good way to look at this. I didn't think about it that way either. Its true though.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

b:sweat
me do mess around alot
but me need to use the time....
to.......study teh market, auction house, and cat shop....
b:sweat
b:surrender
srsly me are poor hamster so me need another source of income
._.'

Chovan - Harshlands

I agree 110%, whoever thought this new BH system would be a good idea want taking outside and locking the door behind them (that's the polite way of saying it).

FranzKafka - Dreamweaver

When they make that WC "Join X faction we do TT,blah,blah" I personally would add "We don't do BH" but that's just me after I did 8 of them in a day(because they stack really fast)and the last time probably since I haven't done them again in 2 days and I know for sure I'm not doing 8 again.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

RedBuIl - Lost City wrote: »

games are about winning, not having fun.. but thats a stupid thing to say because when your winning your having fun!

Then go spend a couple hundred bucks, use oracles to lvl up. Get to lvl 100, you have WON the game... goodbye.

Santacruz - Heavens Tear

i agree too, been saying this for a long time :P

buti always find time to help others and their bh's or quests or do fb's. i have a set squad of freinds that we do our BH together when everyone is on and ready so it works out nice ^^

when i loge i pick dailies, do wq, then cs, then oht daily and bh. so that was the grit is out of the way and im free to relax or help others, but that order can vairy or i may go off and help others anywhere in between.

so really what im trying to say is it all comes down to how organized those people are and how the plan/do things. its not that BH is killing things, its that people are too lazy to do anything else other than BH's or structure themselves

Santacruz - Heavens Tear

RedBuIl - Lost City wrote: »

games are about winning, not having fun.. but thats a stupid thing to say because when your winning your having fun!

haha yea then you realise your wife has walked out on you and you cant afford to pay off the morgage, coz u spent all your money on anniv packs.

you CANT win in a MMO, there is no final destination, only when you decide its a day.

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver

All points are in some way valid here.

When i log on, i first go on main, do cs, do a wq, and if possible and if i feel like it i do BH's. But the wine cost has been a pain, so i usually just stick to cs+wq for my main.

My alt has lvld very fast from lvl 1 to 60 thanks to those cs+BH's, but when i asked in fac to do my FB49, almost no response.

When i tried to do my FB59, same deal, i got a response, but since the clerics were "busy" doing their BH, the rest just dropped off and i had to call in randoms to get it done....

The only reason being in a faction nowadays is good is because they can help with bosses you can't handle. Other then that, it's all about doing BH.

If you ask for TT : no response
If you ask for FC : no response
If you ask for anything else : almost no response unless it's a BH they need.

Factions are becoming less and less organized, being in a faction for FUN is almost gone.

Why would anyone need a faction ? You can easily lvl doing your regular quests (if you have them) + CS + WQ + LOADS of BH's.

By the time my alt got to 60, i had over 40 quests to do. With the new bh system, i don't even got time to do them unless i want to put 3x the time into the game then i do now.

When you see that several lvl 90+ toons from your faction start new chars (several of them) just because they can lvl fast with dailies on their main, then i think something is definately wrong with the whole system.

I stopped lvling my main with quests/tt/fc just because you can't find ANYone in faction your own lvl to go along with you. Instead of a tru squad based game, everyone is just "doing their thing", which is BHing.

And even doing your FB at whatever lvl, people still do it because they can do a BH at the same time, otherwise they don't even bother.

whoever the genius was that introduced the new system, has downgraded the fun of this game. Sure, you level very fast, but the fun is nearly gone.

Santacruz - Heavens Tear

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Factions are becoming less and less organized, being in a faction for FUN is almost gone.

Why would anyone need a faction ? You can easily lvl doing your regular quests (if you have them) + CS + WQ + LOADS of BH's.

agree with this.

the only reason im in a faction is coz my friends are there, so makes it easier to talk together, communicate, help and find squads together ^^

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

agree with this.

the only reason im in a faction is coz my friends are there, so makes it easier to talk together, communicate, help and find squads together ^^

This is why I'd hope people are in a faction anyways. I can't stand those people who come in want you to do all the bosses they need done the second they get there, then get upset you don't drop what ur doing right away.

No one should not be in a faction just b/c they can help you with your bosses and that be the only reason.

But yes, as agreed before; this has become a bad problem

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

I didn't read your entire post, gotta get my BHs done.

Fryckie - Sanctuary

Thinkalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

whoever the genius was that introduced the new system, has downgraded the fun of this game. Sure, you level very fast, but the fun is nearly gone.

I couldn't agree more.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

who needs to buy oracles.. when you can spend every day doing BH's up to lvl 79 for free. But yea..... everyone is always in bh now.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

I usually join a faction because I like to be among a group of similar-minded individuals who have goals and want to explore the game and enjoy all the content on offer. I thought a faction would be great because so much game content is squad based, finding and making friends to tackle it with would be fun.

I hate dailies. I refuse to spend more than two hours tops on them unless there's nothing else to do. I still level reasonably fast like this. I absolutely love TT, bosses, fb's, frosts, rebirths and dungeons, especially with friends when everyone's having a laugh and it's an adventure and a nice social experience. I don't mind helping lowbies because usually a group of us would go and the social aspect to it makes it well worth it. Exp means little to me. Why should it? I've never cared and I'm still 89 with an 8x and 6x alt.

But now, even the lowbies only ask for help with BH all day. Bh's aren't fun or social. It's a quick in-out get exp, next bh. Funnily enough frost isn't fun either. It's a quick in-out get exp, better be pro, you might fail us, 95+ plz. Rebirth? Inexperienced? No. Kthxbai. And tt? Doesn't get you exp, no ones interested. Let the veno's solo and imma charge mah zen and buy mats later. Making a faction tt squad is literally impossible nowadays...and tt for the fun of it? Unthinkable.

I thought it might change at 9x, but joining my first large faction educated me out of that. As a result I'm factionless and the only thing I really look forward to is getting my next set and selling my soul to the largest tw faction, so I have something at least to do.

Waterfal - Sanctuary

at the moment I'm catching up my quests. I'm getting sick of bh quests. get a headache from being in the same dungeon all the time. I only do bh at the moment if I can squad with some friends to do it.
further on, no more bounty hunt for me unless I get asked for help or finished my quests...

Fuzznutts - Sanctuary

I really don't do BH's anymore unless I have the mats to make my own wine or it's with friends. I get tired of spending most of my time running from dungeon to dungeon killing bosses. Here lately I've come across I don't how many people asking for help with whatever quests and when I ask about their faction, either I get "they are in BH, or not online".

But what I find really funny is all day I see in WC "Join (faction name) we are fun, friendly, and helpful". Never have been able to figure out though, why don't all these small and "friendly" factions join together and get some things done?

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Fuzznutts - Sanctuary wrote: »

I really don't do BH's anymore unless I have the mats to make my own wine or it's with friends. I get tired of spending most of my time running from dungeon to dungeon killing bosses. Here lately I've come across I don't how many people asking for help with whatever quests and when I ask about their faction, either I get "they are in BH, or not online".

But what I find really funny is all day I see in WC "Join (faction name) we are fun, friendly, and helpful". Never have been able to figure out though, why don't all these small and "friendly" factions join together and get some things done?

Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Ever heard that? Everyone wants to be a leader/director/marshal. I am a leader of quite a large faction and I actually would love to go back to being a fly on the wall. Someone who has no position, hard to go back though after you've built up something and invested so much time.

Anyways, all the small factions are in competitions with the big ones. Eventually we lose out. Its nice we can help all the noobs get to lvl 65+ so they can join the BIG faction or TW faction of their choice and leave us after we spent so much time and effort into helping them level.

When I started this game I wanted to join a certain faction. They wouldn't have me til I was level 50. When I got level 52 the leader saw me and said, oh I see you are level 50+ now do you want to join? My response was NO... I was just as active, friendly, helpful and fun at level 10 as I am at level 52. You didn't want me then, and now I don't want you.

That pretty much should sum it up.

FooFooKity - Heavens Tear

I knew from the very first day they implemented the "BH's" into the game they was gonna be trouble. The first day they started I spent the entire day doing Bh29-89 for fellow guild members and a few outside of the guild, some of them I ended up doing 6-7 times because of timezone differences. I agree they have become an even bigger problem since they revamped them this last time. I have always made sure members of my guild get their bosses like jewels,krimson,kimsa etc done, I find it very annoying when I am told 'I cant help right now I'm in a BH". People dont need these BHs daily to lvl I managed to get to the lvl I am at without them just fine. Though I do find them convenient for getting that last 500k of a lvl saves a bit of grinding time but in most cases i just grind it anyways. People need TT gear, people need their FBs done, people need quest bosses, people need help in general, people DO NOT need BHs.

Must - Lost City

I Disagree on my guild ppl always asking for HH pts, and yes we have time to do it all btw u disagree but wt about the amazing exp we all get doing bhs...
I like it a lot and i play 3 hours per day(more on weekends) and i stilll do fbs for lower ppl...

XylolyX - Heavens Tear

I pretty much stopped playing my barb...I'll log in and help out faction members and friends and occasionally do a BH...but honestly I have more fun leveling my archer.

The new BH system is ridiculous though...I wizzed through the 4Xs in about 3 days...In one day I went 40-45, then 45-48 and then 48-51. No grinding. I remember grinding quite a bit with the barb, starting at lvl37. (Yeah I remember the exact level.)

It has gotten ridiculous though...BH's are an optional quest. If there's no one to help, I move on...it's an option folks, thus it's not a focus of my daily playing. I'm lucky to have a few other faction members near my level and if necessary we'll log onto our mains and help the other's alt with BHs...

Joshcja - Sanctuary

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I usually join a faction because I like to be among a group of similar-minded individuals who have goals and want to explore the game and enjoy all the content on offer. I thought a faction would be great because so much game content is squad based, finding and making friends to tackle it with would be fun.

I hate dailies. I refuse to spend more than two hours tops on them unless there's nothing else to do. I still level reasonably fast like this. I absolutely love TT, bosses, fb's, frosts, rebirths and dungeons, especially with friends when everyone's having a laugh and it's an adventure and a nice social experience. I don't mind helping lowbies because usually a group of us would go and the social aspect to it makes it well worth it. Exp means little to me. Why should it? I've never cared and I'm still 89 with an 8x and 6x alt.

But now, even the lowbies only ask for help with BH all day. Bh's aren't fun or social. It's a quick in-out get exp, next bh. Funnily enough frost isn't fun either. It's a quick in-out get exp, better be pro, you might fail us, 95+ plz. Rebirth? Inexperienced? No. Kthxbai. And tt? Doesn't get you exp, no ones interested. Let the veno's solo and imma charge mah zen and buy mats later. Making a faction tt squad is literally impossible nowadays...and tt for the fun of it? Unthinkable.

I thought it might change at 9x, but joining my first large faction educated me out of that. As a result I'm factionless and the only thing I really look forward to is getting my next set and selling my soul to the largest tw faction, so I have something at least to do.

^this

also due to the insane BH exp there are soooooo many high level noobs in me bh squads >.< (mainly d em with freinds but have to bring i others from time to time)

and ya i pretty much live in tt for coin/farming gear/fun cant wait to unlock 3-1 i here theres a couch in there >.>

XylolyX - Heavens Tear

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

and ya i pretty much live in tt for coin/farming gear/fun cant wait to unlock 3-1 i here theres a couch in there >.>

Actually there's several, I have screenies of 'em. b:laugh