HA vs Arcane

Xkat - Dreamweaver

First thing's first. No flames intended, just simply looking for other people's opinions in the matter.

My question is, is it really worth going HA over arcane? The only things that makes a significant difference is the high physical defense and higher physical attack and with TT99 bonus faster attack rate.

Anyhow, here is a screen shot that I took of one of the well geared level 100 HA veno in the Dreamweaver server using an eye of the observation and from the looks of it arcane seems to be better in every way possible other than the physical attack, physical defense and faster attack rate.

Screen shot here

The reason that I am asking is I myself am considering going HA with the rank 8 weapon along with the TT99 HA set and would like to know what others has to say in the matter.

Thank you;
xkat.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Most people preach Sages are better for that for several reasons I guess you're already aware of.

Are you interested in heavy solely for the physical resistance or you're interested in attacking as melee veno?

sandeep122

sry for going offtopic , what is the 4th skill u have on ur herc? (other than P def, M def, reflect)

/NiKi - Lost City

Xkat - Dreamweaver wrote: »

First thing's first. No flames intended, just simply looking for other people's opinions in the matter.

My question is, is it really worth going HA over arcane? The only things that makes a significant difference is the high physical defense and higher physical attack and with TT99 bonus faster attack rate.

Anyhow, here is a screen shot that I took of one of the well geared level 100 HA veno in the Dreamweaver server using an eye of the observation and from the looks of it arcane seems to be better in every way possible other than the physical attack, physical defense and faster attack rate.

Screen shot here

The reason that I am asking is I myself am considering going HA with the rank 8 weapon along with the TT99 HA set and would like to know what others has to say in the matter.

Thank you;
xkat.

maybe should try compare it using calculator b:surrender
if u can get it working,i cant load site today for some reason
cuz ur gear is really good and that other veno probably dont have so good gear..
would have more then 7k of hp if she does,since heavy gets more hp with refines then arcane users.

Phaige - Lost City

Xkat - Dreamweaver wrote: »

First thing's first. No flames intended, just simply looking for other people's opinions in the matter.

My question is, is it really worth going HA over arcane? The only things that makes a significant difference is the high physical defense and higher physical attack and with TT99 bonus faster attack rate.

Anyhow, here is a screen shot that I took of one of the well geared level 100 HA veno in the Dreamweaver server using an eye of the observation and from the looks of it arcane seems to be better in every way possible other than the physical attack, physical defense and faster attack rate.

Screen shot here

The reason that I am asking is I myself am considering going HA with the rank 8 weapon along with the TT99 HA set and would like to know what others has to say in the matter.

Thank you;
xkat.

If u do lots of pvp and TW HA is better, it helps u tank BMs and not get killed fast by archers. I went HA for those reasons only n it has paid off in full b:pleased. b:surrender Just wear magic ornaments n watch out for mages lol b:bye

Shifong - Heavens Tear

It's hard to compare ingame because money spend on gear can differ a whole lot. But it's true that when you can invest a whole lot in gear, it's probably better to go arcane. But it entirely depends on your way of playing as well.

tweakz

DPS of patk vs DPS of matk? You could argue endlessly about defense / costs / survivability, and are already mentioning greater patk, but where's the DPS comparisons?

Solandri - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

DPS of patk vs DPS of matk? You could argue endlessly about defense / costs / survivability, and are already mentioning greater patk, but where's the DPS comparisons?

I ran some rudimentary calculations based on some rough assumptions (250 str on the heavy, 400 mag and 25% channel on the arcane). The heavy's physical DPS comes out about the same as the arcane's spell DPS. I'd say with those assumptions they're within 10%. If the arcane isn't able to spark often (about every 30 sec), the heavy comes out on top. If the arcane is able to spark that often, the arcane comes out on top.

And I'd say it's wrong to claim the arcane has better mdef, since the heavy can wear any arcane armor the arcane can wear.

I'm curious though what Phys Save and Mag Save are.

Esuna - Raging Tide

Xkat - Dreamweaver wrote: »

First thing's first. No flames intended, just simply looking for other people's opinions in the matter.

My question is, is it really worth going HA over arcane? The only things that makes a significant difference is the high physical defense and higher physical attack and with TT99 bonus faster attack rate.

Anyhow, here is a screen shot that I took of one of the well geared level 100 HA veno in the Dreamweaver server using an eye of the observation and from the looks of it arcane seems to be better in every way possible other than the physical attack, physical defense and faster attack rate.

Screen shot here

The reason that I am asking is I myself am considering going HA with the rank 8 weapon along with the TT99 HA set and would like to know what others has to say in the matter.

Thank you;
xkat.

I haven't been a veno for long, but going Vit + Arcane seems more beneficial than HA. HA makes you very susceptible to Magic classes and doesn't give you much space for adding Vit (aka having high HP), as you're wasting a lot of points on DEX/STR. TT99 HA also makes you lose the ability to use anything beside the rank gear, since you won't have the MAG to wear any weapon your level. The HA also doesn't add anything as useful as the Archangel set, it just adds Vit, Pdef and Interval primarily. That -9% Channeling total from 4 pieces is way better.

When going Vit on Arcane gear you're adding a stat that increases both Pdef and Mdef. Using neck/belts for Pdef and Lunar ornaments, should crank up Pdef a lot. You won't have as much Pdef as with HA, but imo it's better to be a little more susceptible to physical attacks than totally failing in the Mdef department. From a PvP standpoint that is.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Esuna - Raging Tide wrote: »

You won't have as much Pdef as with HA, but imo it's better to be a little more susceptible to physical attacks than totally failing in the Mdef department. From a PvP standpoint that is.

Heavy armor has ~42 mdef for every 100 pdef.
Arcane armor has ~11 pdef for every 100 mdef.

So it's more likely the arcane will be totally fail at pdef, while the heavy is a little more susceptible to magical attacks. Most arcanes put a lot of effort into countering this by using pdef ornaments and garnet shards. Most heavies don't bother since it's not needed as much (usually swapping a few ornaments or even an armor piece for arcane is enough to get your mdef to a respectable level if needed).

I much prefer doing comparisons on pwcalc.ru (if it ever comes back). I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from that screenshot. It's pretty obvious the arcane veno has much better equipment and refines than the heavy. The fact that the heavy pdef = arcane mdef, and heavy mdef = arcane pdef in that screenshot is a good tipoff. The only way an arcane can achieve that sort of parity is with lots of garnet shards and really good pdef ornaments with high refines.

For comparison, here's Obsessed's heavy stats at level 90. Note that her buffed pdef is actually higher than the level 100 heavy in the screenshot, and mdef respectably close. Here's her gear. It's well sharded, but the refines are rather low.

Also, the arcane has 12003 hp vs 7249 for the heavy. Subtract the effect of the barb buff and that's a 3521 hp difference. At level 100, heavy needs 306 str+dex, vs. 50 str for arcane. So even if the arcane were a 3 mag 2 vit build and had as many +vit bonuses as the heavy had +str and +dex, she would only have 256 more vit. That would only account for a 3072 hp difference. And we know she's not 3 mag 2 vit since her magic attack is higher than the heavy's (which is also 3 mag per level). So her refines or shards have to be substantially better than the heavy's.

And what's the last buff that's on the OP which is missing from the heavy veno? I can't remember what that icon is.

/NiKi - Lost City

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The only way an arcane can achieve that sort of parity is with lots of garnet shards and really good pdef ornaments with high refines.

i dont agree with this one,i am up to 3.2k pdef in human form without any buffs as arcane.i dont cash shop and my gear is only +3,also hh90 is all 2 sockets (the one with garnet shards,2 flawless and 2 immaculate) besides boots and sleeves which have hp shards anyway,cape i didnt even shard it yet.
too broke atm lol,but i do agree with everything else u said,should compare it on calculator cuz obiviously HA veno dont have such a good gear as OP.

tweakz

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I ran some rudimentary calculations based on some rough assumptions (250 str on the heavy, 400 mag and 25% channel on the arcane). The heavy's physical DPS comes out about the same as the arcane's spell DPS. I'd say with those assumptions they're within 10%. If the arcane isn't able to spark often (about every 30 sec), the heavy comes out on top. If the arcane is able to spark that often, the arcane comes out on top.

Interesting, I thought melee would be much better DPS. I wasn't thinking that many if not most mobs have weaker pdef than mdef which is why Fox Form melee seems so effective to me even as a pure mag.

And I'd say it's wrong to claim the arcane has better mdef, since the heavy can wear any arcane armor the arcane can wear.

You're claiming no loss of mdef from lower mag? It looks to me like we lose about 5 mdef per mag. Since Vit also adds mag, even vit arcane I thought would have more mdef.

Xkat - Dreamweaver

Solandri,

For your eyes only

As you can see, I do not have a single garnet gem on my items, my physical defense mainly comes from my belt, necklace, rings (I could have two Lunar rings +5 but Amarah totally stole it from me) and from the savant stones that I have (each savant gives 45 or 50 physical defense. I am not too sure which one of the two it is)

My refinements are mediocre since I have not yet decided whether I should go HA or not but if I were to decide that I want to stay arcane my gear would be +8 right now with the belt at +10 (maybe?) the necklace stays at +5 since I am still contemplating whether I want the TT99 for higher refinement bonus but lose the +5% maximum hp or not or another option that I have is scrounge up all the cube of fate necklace owners and manage to talk one out into selling me their physical defense necklace. With all that plus more I could easily have 7800 physical defense (unbuffed) but the question still remains, is it really worth having all that staying arcane or trying out another build and go HA for reasons that others has been posted by others.

As far as the other veno goes, he/she is wearing the TT99 HA set I am not sure how the refinements are since I don't stalk people around looking at their gear but the possibilities of him/her having the same refinement level as I are way up there but of course, I am better geared that he/she is but one thing that made an impact in my memory is that his/her weapon is a Lunar Pataka +10. Another thing is that I believe that he/she is a pure physical defense build judging from his/her magic resistances is quite low but if they did then it would be very minimal but not sufficient enough for my taste if I were to make the same build as he/she.

Now, talking about my HA set I would have TT99 HA Armor, pants, gloves and necklace with the event helmet and boots and use my BM's elemental warsong belt along with the lunar cape and two band of heaven's jail rings (level 97 rings)

At the very least the HA set will be refined to +5 with the exception of the warsong belt being +8. As far as the weapon goes I would wear the rank 8 pataka and +10 it. With all that I think that I would have a generous amount of physical defense and physical damage but my magic attack and elemental resistances will be less than ideal but it is the downside of being HA. Another thing which concerns shards... I highly doubt I would be lucky enough to find enough vitality stones to shard my HA set with so I might have to settle for lesser stones such as perfects/incomparable (if I do enough of the event tournament and save up the warsoul tags) which wouldn't be all that bad. Gotta make do with what you have.

One more thing, Solandri, to answer you finaly question, the buff that I have which the other veno does not have is from a genie skill which is called "leaf dance" it gives 2% critstrike rate.

Lastly, sandeep122 my herc's 4th skill is called blessing of the pack.

That's all for now. Have a good day
xkat

Edit #1; one thing that I had forgotten to add onto the screen shot is the Love up and down tome that I am wearing. And I do apologize for my lack of painting skills and that I couldn't make the screen shot look pretty =(

kenlee

that pwcalc doesnt work for me either but i have some screenshots from my tests. if anyone wants to do some math there it is

here it is AA: click here
here it is HA/AA: click here
and same HA/AA but full heavy (sage version): click here (check out physical atk too)
btw, a LA going fox form has like 2-3 times more accuracy than HA and not much physical atk behind. using misty forest only drops your mdef and you barely gain accuracy when you dont have something solid to start with

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Heavy armor has ~42 mdef for every 100 pdef.
Arcane armor has ~11 pdef for every 100 mdef.

So it's more likely the arcane will be totally fail at pdef, while the heavy is a little more susceptible to magical attacks.

there is one problem here. players use garnet for that missing pdef on arcane while other put citrine/saphire on heavy. now, if you use saphire to come up with better mdef, you are missing the vit and wasted str/dex points while arcane are using them for vit or mag. if you are using citrine, you have like 24 slots for shards and using g9 for example is like getting 1.5k hp while arcane gain probably more from adding vit and you are still missing mag and str/dex points. the only good part of heavy, it is versatile.. changing from heavy to arcane and the other way around.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Xkat - Dreamweaver wrote: »

First thing's first. No flames intended, just simply looking for other people's opinions in the matter.

My question is, is it really worth going HA over arcane? The only things that makes a significant difference is the high physical defense and higher physical attack and with TT99 bonus faster attack rate.

Anyhow, here is a screen shot that I took of one of the well geared level 100 HA veno in the Dreamweaver server using an eye of the observation and from the looks of it arcane seems to be better in every way possible other than the physical attack, physical defense and faster attack rate.

Screen shot here

The reason that I am asking is I myself am considering going HA with the rank 8 weapon along with the TT99 HA set and would like to know what others has to say in the matter.

Thank you;
xkat.

First off, that person in the screenshot isn't even in fox form. A level 100 in HA would have over 20k pdef in FF, esp sage fox, and far more accuracy than that. Secondly, they aren't using a weapon for attack rate. I use a glaive which is 1.25 to start with, never mind any bonuses I'm told of.

People should probably try to play as one or at least play with them to perhaps rid of misconceptions of HA venos. Given you are a cash shop nut you probably are very viable in AA as well so don't bother changing. AA isn't exactly a bad idea either. It simply depends on your play style, and whether you chose sage or demon helps one way or the other as well.

Esuna - Raging Tide

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Heavy armor has ~42 mdef for every 100 pdef.
Arcane armor has ~11 pdef for every 100 mdef.

So it's more likely the arcane will be totally fail at pdef, while the heavy is a little more susceptible to magical attacks. Most arcanes put a lot of effort into countering this by using pdef ornaments and garnet shards. Most heavies don't bother since it's not needed as much (usually swapping a few ornaments or even an armor piece for arcane is enough to get your mdef to a respectable level if needed).

I'm keeping into account here that for this sacrifice of Pdef we could use Fox Form and we get to use an actually good weapon as AA besides rank. (Req Blade lulz)

so it's a sacrifice of Pdef for greater attack power.

tweakz

I don't even bother comparing HA to AA fully. One may have higher dps than the other, but that doesn't equate to faster kills when one has to run up to the mob / opponent to to begin hitting it, and while mobs are generally weaker at pdef (while for PvP, it could be different). Then there is the fact that some mobs will only attack with magic at range while others may move in and mix magic with melee and hit with melee faster than mag. Suppose also that you're kited as a Fox vs a caster. There are simply too many variables to say that HA pwnz AA or vice versa, but I think we can say that LA is silly at 90?

kenlee

well, i dont think any HA will go HA in pve. just switch to robe or half robe/half heavy and stay in human form. magic atk isnt much behing arcane vit veno so its still good damage in human form.
about pvp, mages will be a problem as melee. first, if you plan to stay HA vs wizards then your are going to get hit very hard since mages have the highest damage from skill then second thing is... they can teleport. archers kill bm/barb alot easier with magic skills. now, going in melee range vs archers is good since you get less damage but their evasion might be a problem. barb/bm have ranged skills too and bm can jump/teleport while in fox form i dont see any ranged damage skill.
against tideborn classes... no idea

Foxymage - Harshlands

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Heavy armor has ~42 mdef for every 100 pdef.
Arcane armor has ~11 pdef for every 100 mdef.

So it's more likely the arcane will be totally fail at pdef, while the heavy is a little more susceptible to magical attacks. Most arcanes put a lot of effort into countering this by using pdef ornaments and garnet shards. Most heavies don't bother since it's not needed as much (usually swapping a few ornaments or even an armor piece for arcane is enough to get your mdef to a respectable level if needed).

I much prefer doing comparisons on pwcalc.ru (if it ever comes back). I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from that screenshot. It's pretty obvious the arcane veno has much better equipment and refines than the heavy. The fact that the heavy pdef = arcane mdef, and heavy mdef = arcane pdef in that screenshot is a good tipoff. The only way an arcane can achieve that sort of parity is with lots of garnet shards and really good pdef ornaments with high refines.

For comparison, here's Obsessed's heavy stats at level 90. Note that her buffed pdef is actually higher than the level 100 heavy in the screenshot, and mdef respectably close. Here's her gear. It's well sharded, but the refines are rather low.

Also, the arcane has 12003 hp vs 7249 for the heavy. Subtract the effect of the barb buff and that's a 3521 hp difference. At level 100, heavy needs 306 str+dex, vs. 50 str for arcane. So even if the arcane were a 3 mag 2 vit build and had as many +vit bonuses as the heavy had +str and +dex, she would only have 256 more vit. That would only account for a 3072 hp difference. And we know she's not 3 mag 2 vit since her magic attack is higher than the heavy's (which is also 3 mag per level). So her refines or shards have to be substantially better than the heavy's.

And what's the last buff that's on the OP which is missing from the heavy veno? I can't remember what that icon is.

17k p def buffed nice

tweakz

kenlee wrote: »

well, i dont think any HA will go HA in pve. just switch to robe or half robe/half heavy and stay in human form. magic atk isnt much behing arcane vit veno so its still good damage in human form.

For grinding? -no. A difference of 4 hits per kill vs 3 hits per kill is 25% or 1/4 which is VERY significant. Then consider 3 hits vs 2. Wouldn't it be wiser to stay in Fox form for the150% phys def increase and the 250% acc increase? Then there's the purge, amp, etc that are only available in Fox and not even dependent on matk. If anything, I think HA is better for PvE except when it comes to being a solo class.

Devil - Harshlands

Are you going full heavy? Im Half and Half. Bottom line, it is a extremely versatile build letting you wear hh99 gold arcane and around tt90 green heavy armor at level 100. My honestly opinion, doooo ittttt because it is so fun to mess around with. Here is my build at sage lvl 100 build f it helps

Helm: Str. Event Helm
Chest: HH90 Heavy Green
Leggins: HH90 Heavy Green
Foot Gear: Event Arcane boots
Necklace: HH99 Gold Elemental
Wrists: HH99 Gold
Belt: 4th Past elemental belt
Tome: +15 Magic
Weapon: 95 CV Wand
Cape: HP Event Cape
Rings: Two Lunar Magic Rings

Solandri - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

Interesting, I thought melee would be much better DPS. I wasn't thinking that many if not most mobs have weaker pdef than mdef which is why Fox Form melee seems so effective to me even as a pure mag.

I haven't timed my killrates in a while so I can't say. Theoretically, my melee DPS is moderately better than my magic DPS; probably about the same as or slightly less than a pure arcane. But it's been tough to do theoretical comparisons between heavy and arcane because there are so many variables (spell choice, arcane build type, sparks, equipment and shard focus, etc).

You're claiming no loss of mdef from lower mag? It looks to me like we lose about 5 mdef per mag. Since Vit also adds mag, even vit arcane I thought would have more mdef.

I took a look at that early on and concluded it was a rather small amount. If you figure the heavy is 3 mag/level while the arcane is 4 mag/level (0.5 str, 0.5 vit), that works out to just 100 extra mag at level 100, or 500 mdef per your figures. If a heavy has 4000 mdef at 100, that's just an extra 12%.

That was a conclusion reached at around level 20. I haven't revisited it since then, so I could very well be wrong.

Xkat - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As you can see, I do not have a single garnet gem on my items, my physical defense mainly comes from my belt, necklace, rings

A lot of people have jumped on my use of the word "and" in "Most arcanes put a lot of effort into countering this by using pdef ornaments and garnet shards." I mulled over the correct grammar for that for a few minutes, trying to decide if the proper conjuction was "and" or "or". I actually had it as "or" intiially, then changed it to "and" just before posting.

In retrospect, I should've just used "and/or", which for some reason didn't occur to me last night. What I meant was that arcanes counter the poor pdef by using some combination of pdef ornaments and garnet shards. Could be only pdef ornaments, or only garnet shards, or both.

Now, talking about my HA set I would have TT99 HA Armor, pants, gloves and necklace with the event helmet and boots and use my BM's elemental warsong belt along with the lunar cape and two band of heaven's jail rings (level 97 rings)

pwcalc.ru picked a really bad time to go down. As I said, this is the sort of thing which is best answered by putting the equipment you're thinking of getting into a calculator. There is just too much variability in each individual's equipment to really draw a precise conclusion about one build vs. another based on two people's characters.

tweakz wrote: »

For grinding? -no. A difference of 4 hits per kill vs 3 hits per kill is 25% or 1/4 which is VERY significant. Then consider 3 hits vs 2. Wouldn't it be wiser to stay in Fox form for the150% phys def increase and the 250% acc increase? Then there's the purge, amp, etc that are only available in Fox and not even dependent on matk. If anything, I think HA is better for PvE except when it comes to being a solo class.

I switch equipment around pretty often when doing instances. I just finished a Brimstone run. The initial mobs are a mix of melee and casters, so I try to balance pdef and mdef when pulling those. Later you get to the archers and rangers, for which I'll switch to a pure pdef build. Basically I can stand there and withstand 8-10 hits from them, which gives me a lot of leeway for screwups when pulling (usually I can get back the hp I lose while pulling with a single Leech).

Same goes for fighting. Usually I'm meleeing in fox form. But if we run into a mob with increased defense, I'll pop into caster form, quickly change rings, and start slinging spells. Same for rangers. After pulling one, freezing it with Stunning Blow and Amping it, I prefer running out of their AOE range and casting.

It's not for everyone, but I enjoy the flexibility.

kenlee

tweakz wrote: »

For grinding? -no. A difference of 4 hits per kill vs 3 hits per kill is 25% or 1/4 which is VERY significant. Then consider 3 hits vs 2. Wouldn't it be wiser to stay in Fox form for the150% phys def increase and the 250% acc increase? Then there's the purge, amp, etc that are only available in Fox and not even dependent on matk. If anything, I think HA is better for PvE except when it comes to being a solo class.

where is the difference in 25%, from where do you get that 3-4 hits? when i kill regular mobs its much faster in human form imo while i kill fb mobs it takes longer and i use fox too.
anyway i changed form HA to arcane because its pure waste of money below lvl 100 (not to mention some bosses cant be killed) but i still use fox form and human alot.
ironwood, i change to fox, use amplify, change back to human, iron again, lucky scarab/ironwood... thats pretty fast solo killing in fb89 and safe. wait till i get my demon amplify and thats pretty much all i need to kill one mob in fb. even arcane i still hit hard in fox form with demon spark and again waiting for my demon books to get chi faster while i fight. a heavy veno will take less damage in brimstone but probably more in eden.

also my mp is the least of my problems, i just use soul transfusion when my mp is a little above 50% (i have hp charm because of tw/pvp) and get the hp back with leech. besides that, my banker is full with hp/mp pots from drops.

Rebutia - Harshlands

kenlee wrote: »

well, i dont think any HA will go HA in pve. just switch to robe or half robe/half heavy and stay in human form. magic atk isnt much behing arcane vit veno so its still good damage in human form.

This approach does not make much sense to me.

An HA veno will have a smaller mana pool and lower regen rate than an AA veno, but normal attacks cost you almost nothing. You can do a few ranged attacks until you get your mana pool down to 80%, but if you can do that for very long you have not leveled your arcane skills and so you take longer to kill things. We are venos and our pets will keep melee opponents from bringing their gifts to us.

And if you were going on about time saved by not running up to your opponent, you still have to position yourself for ranged attacks and you still have to go pick up drops or else for comparison purposes you would effectively have costs equivalent to drops you do not get.

So... you maybe have a point, but you did not explain your reasons and I do not understand you.

(Edit: after reading your recent post, I am suspecting that you did not have proper heavy armor gear, and so your damage and perhaps accuracy were low.)

kenlee

you have nature/transfusion/metabolic for mp, you can also use transfusion and leech... what mp are you talking about?
melee hits cost almost nothing? go to town and hit repair all after soloing a full FB. not lvled arcane skills? i think most venos my lvl have most of their skills at lvl 10 or even upgraded to sage/demon.
both arcane or heavy need to go in close range not only for drops but for amplify or leech.... but this only when you fight high hp mobs like FB mobs. for regular mobs you just kill faster in human, how many hits do you need to kill, 3-4-5? they still drop down faster in human when i grind. not to mention mobs that kite if you go all melee. getting channeling gear is even better as a caster, cut some channeling so you can use more skills in the same amount of time (except those with long reuse)
my heavy build at 8x was like 79/77 molds, most ornaments were golds and tt80 glaive (has +stats too). accuracy doesnt really matter in pve coz you rarely miss but in pvp its really low even as a heavy. light armor has much more than heavy but its not the point.

Sherae - Lost City

There is no doubt in my mind that heavy armor is best as veno
but full heavy is beyond fail

You should wear pants plate and helm heavy

obviously m res belt(4th map) (nothing looks stupider to me than people in heavy gear wearing p def adorns or other way around...)

arcane 99 gold boots n sleeves for channeling

this makes it so u can solo hh and such easier because u will be hitting less in general

You will be able to tank most aoes without cleric

level 101 veno in hh 90 armor with 99 gold boots n sleeves has about the same m def as a 8x cleric or mage
with even more pdef
and amazing hp around 10k

you can tank about anything

and yes sage is much better


be aware that the better heavy gear u use the less m attack u will have so goign to hh 99 depending on difference may not be worth it

i know 90 hh is good though



btw if u want to solo bosses in heavy armor do not get event boots if u want the channeling bonus u get from the 99gold...

but if u want 2% crit go for it... but ya

hatter1888

im a noob to this game but what about leveling an HA so that she has just enough magic to use the good gear? that seems to be your main argument for the arcane veno is the gear surly its not impossible to do?