Oracles for Spirit?

IceFalls - Sanctuary
IceFalls - Sanctuary Posts: 36 Arc User
edited January 2010 in General Discussion
So, are oracles a cost-effective way to gain spirit? (EXP can be used to level my genie, then I can level the normal way again)

It is sad looking at all the skills I cannot learn due to lack of spirit b:angry
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    most cost effective way = grind/quest....
    it be free minus repair cost and a few potion costs (meditation for the win lol)

    oracles = sort of expensive way to get spirit/exp fast.
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  • Rheth - Sanctuary
    Rheth - Sanctuary Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You will always have lack of spirit. If you oracle for spirit you will more than likely level enough, youll go to upgrade skills and find you can upgrade it more than once [repeat process] Get used to the lack of spirit b:cry
  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    oracle is really an expensive way ot get anything
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    From lvls 30-50 youll have a big lack of spirit.
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I wouldn't advise using oracles to get spirit, you will have a mass shortage of spirit from around level 40-70 generally and then it becomes reversed (too much spirit not enough coin). As it stands i currently have 6.2m collecting dust and that is nothing compared to some people. Best way for you to get spirit is just quest and grind and it will slowly pick up, after level 70 you get more spirit and such from daily quests aswell as a new daily (World Quest) so spirit isn't a problem any longer.
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    IceFalls - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So, are oracles a cost-effective way to gain spirit? (EXP can be used to level my genie, then I can level the normal way again)

    It is sad looking at all the skills I cannot learn due to lack of spirit b:angry

    I won't make a comment about how you level and degrade oracles as that belongs elsewhere.

    The "normal" rate of spirit is 5exp to 1spirit point.

    If you get more than that ratio in favor of spirit, you pull ahead than if you normally would level.

    Regardless though, you will have a shortage in spirit for the first 60 levels or so (unless you spirit farm via genies which is not recommended). You feel less strain as you level in the spirit department.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Run Snake isle once you hit level 40.

    Three laps = 5k exp, 1k spirit, and a badge of speed for an extra 2k spirit (or 22k spirit once you get ten and combine them into a sign of speed). Only takes a few minutes to do and it's completely free.
  • OneHottShot - Heavens Tear
    OneHottShot - Heavens Tear Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I won't make a comment about how you level and degrade oracles as that belongs elsewhere.

    The "normal" rate of spirit is 5exp to 1spirit point.

    If you get more than that ratio in favor of spirit, you pull ahead than if you normally would level.

    Regardless though, you will have a shortage in spirit for the first 60 levels or so (unless you spirit farm via genies which is not recommended). You feel less strain as you level in the spirit department.

    I did this from lvl 20-50 and have never regretted it. I made lots and lots of money off of lvld genies too! I also could take on even archers 5-10 lvls ahead of me and win. They was always like wth? I had all my skills available at those lvls.

    It wasn't about the spirit as much as it was about building rep as well. Doing 1 man army quests and overall just enjoying playing the game and farming. You will also have way more money by doing this. Especially if you farm items like hay, banker quest items, element fragments, dull claws etc...

    I had millions by the time I was level 25. There are benefits to "farming spirit" other than just getting the extra spirit. It goes with your style of game play and what you want out of the game. At times it also made it to where friends I had out leveled could catch me. Win/win for me.
  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I did this from lvl 20-50 and have never regretted it. I made lots and lots of money off of lvld genies too! I also could take on even archers 5-10 lvls ahead of me and win. They was always like wth? I had all my skills available at those lvls.

    It wasn't about the spirit as much as it was about building rep as well. Doing 1 man army quests and overall just enjoying playing the game and farming. You will also have way more money by doing this. Especially if you farm items like hay, banker quest items, element fragments, dull claws etc...

    I had millions by the time I was level 25. There are benefits to "farming spirit" other than just getting the extra spirit. It goes with your style of game play and what you want out of the game. At times it also made it to where friends I had out leveled could catch me. Win/win for me.

    Can i borrow your patience so i can do that please. I've made so many characters for that person but they dont make it that far before im fed up with them b:surrender.
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  • OneHottShot - Heavens Tear
    OneHottShot - Heavens Tear Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Can i borrow your patience so i can do that please. I've made so many characters for that person but they dont make it that far before im fed up with them b:surrender.

    This is why I have almost every class lol. I get bored with it and move to another character to play for a little bit. My sin has been stuck at lvl 49 for over a week. I could have lvld around 10 times now. But I am enjoying farming ... shhhh (leather) ;). Its worth loads of coins and I am also waiting for a friend to catch up to me. He is currently lvl 34. He gets around 3 lvls a day.

    Just don't focus too much on the one you are trying to take it slow with!
  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is why I have almost every class lol. I get bored with it and move to another character to play for a little bit. My sin has been stuck at lvl 49 for over a week. I could have lvld around 10 times now. But I am enjoying farming ... shhhh (leather) ;). Its worth loads of coins and I am also waiting for a friend to catch up to me. He is currently lvl 34. He gets around 3 lvls a day.

    Just don't focus too much on the one you are trying to take it slow with!

    As soon as im about to try and farm i get invites for FF and i loooooooove FF so i give up before i start b:chuckle.

    Yea leather sells well to cat shops along with all the other manufacturing mats. I did however manage to make around 400k on rough fur alone with my fist bm b:victory.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You will always have lack of spirit...
    I have not.

    Even without Oracles.

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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Most consumer of spirits at high levels are genies. I'm making good genie with good lucky points and it take all of my spirits. b:angry
    A have all skills learned. Just collecting sage skills. And as I said the genies eating all my spirits. No good genie till now.b:angry
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Most consumer of spirits at high levels are genies. I'm making good genie with good lucky points and it take all of my spirits. b:angry
    A have all skills learned. Just collecting sage skills. And as I said the genies eating all my spirits. No good genie till now.b:angry
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My best 46/60 and 41/60.

    Good. But I need genie at least lv. 80. And there is very rare have good lucky genie. I have 1 now with 52/80 so hopefully at lv.90 I get it to 60.
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  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Good. But I need genie at least lv. 80. And there is very rare have good lucky genie. I have 1 now with 52/80 so hopefully at lv.90 I get it to 60.

    genies can be lvld with exp too you know.. and those sage skills are gonna cost 1mil-1.5mil spirit each.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    genies can be lvld with exp too you know.. and those sage skills are gonna cost 1mil-1.5mil spirit each.
    Of course. But experience is for me much more valuable. And I don't have sage book every week.
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    genies can be lvld with exp too you know.. and those sage skills are gonna cost 1mil-1.5mil spirit each.
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Of course. But experience is for me much more valuable. And I don't have sage book every week.

    It's true... I will only have very little spirit left over after I reach 99 and learn all my skills minus the 2 100 skills.

    I have spent less than 1mil spirit on a genie in the past and the rest have only been used on manufacturing skills (all up to date with my level i.e 7) and all but 5 demon skills. I also do not have 2 skills maxed out and I am nearing 97.

    This means if anyone has the ability to learn almost every book in their class at the sage/demon level, you will not have "spare" spirit until 97+, 99 to be more realistic. b:surrender
  • Therronn - Sanctuary
    Therronn - Sanctuary Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I think the answer to your question is No, Oracles are not a good way to acquire spirit.
    I suggest running the races once you hit Lv.40, however they only occur at certain times and depending on your TimeZone you may have difficulty completing them.
    Though I'm only level 63 currently, I plan to stay at 8X for a while and get my skills up to date.
  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I wouldn't advise using oracles to get spirit, you will have a mass shortage of spirit from around level 40-70 generally and then it becomes reversed (too much spirit not enough coin). As it stands i currently have 6.2m collecting dust and that is nothing compared to some people. Best way for you to get spirit is just quest and grind and it will slowly pick up, after level 70 you get more spirit and such from daily quests aswell as a new daily (World Quest) so spirit isn't a problem any longer.

    14M + here...and I've leveled my genie with spirit for oh...30 levels. b:chuckle

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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    IceFalls - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So, are oracles a cost-effective way to gain spirit? (EXP can be used to level my genie, then I can level the normal way again)

    It is sad looking at all the skills I cannot learn due to lack of spirit b:angry
    You will, in most cases, be lacking in spirit til later levels. Oracles do not mitigate this because they give you a crapload more xp than spirit, and you'll find yourself leveling, needing more skills to upgrade, and STILL lacking in spirit. There items that you can get that specifically give you more spirit, but neither oracles nor these are "cost-effective". The most cost effective thing to do is your daily quests, grind, other quests, and so on, and be more nitpicking or "specializing" in earlier levels what skills you take.
  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    14M + here...and I've leveled my genie with spirit for oh...30 levels. b:chuckle

    Saving up pages and scrounging for skill books now.

    See i knew i was right and wow 14m is alot most ive clocked is 8m n leveled a new genie which ended up with 13/50 lp b:surrender.
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    Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You could try my method. I've been at level 44 for about two weeks with this.

    If your genie is a low level (It quite possibly is, seeing as they only get 10% of the exp from our quests), simply use the new BH system. When you get done with your BH, funnel the exp into the Genie, and keep the Spirit for yourself. This way, you stop yourself from leveling and increasing the deficit of spirit. Plus, your Genie becomes stronger the longer you do it (That is, until it hits your level).

    My main reason for doing this? I oracled from 38 to 44 just to aquire certain skills. I keep funneling my exp into my genie because I want to catch up on my quests. Simple, no?

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