Best PVE Build?

ererrerererttrtrtrt
ererrerererttrtrtrt Posts: 13 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Venomancer
im making a veno for the faster grinding, and becuz i need change of pace, but i was on pvp server where it was mostly LA venos, are they viable for pve too? or is pure arcane better or even vit arcane? i read the guides but it didnt really help me decide whats better pve, ty.
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  • Shifong - Heavens Tear
    Shifong - Heavens Tear Posts: 409 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    From level 1 to 60, go pure arcane. At 60, you should be able to tell yourself what you're missing. But in general after 60, either pure arcane, vit arcane and LA works. Arcane is still the most prefered type though for pve.
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  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vit arcane, sharded with garnets is the best PvE build.
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  • Fryckie - Sanctuary
    Fryckie - Sanctuary Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Iv'e been playing a vit arcane and wished I went pure arcane. Between soul transfusion, nature's grace and metabolic boost I never run out of mana or HP.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    axt57 wrote: »
    Vit arcane, sharded with garnets is the best PvE build.

    Vit is waste for PvE.
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  • Jellytops - Heavens Tear
    Jellytops - Heavens Tear Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Vit is waste for PvE.

    Unless you plan on doing bosses with massive AOE's (TT, Frost, etc.). Sure, you could shard your eq with hp shards, but I don't regret putting some points into vit also. It have helped me survive some good aoe's, and gives the cleric some extra time to heal. And yes, I use hp shards in my eq also.

    And even though I'm not pure arcane, I still have to pause my skills so that I don't steal agro from my herc...

    It all comes down to how you're planning to play. Running alot of instances/bosses, I would prefer some ekstra HP. Planning on just grinding, I prob would've gone arcane. I don't do much pvp, so I can't recommend anything on that subject.
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  • Fenian_I - Dreamweaver
    Fenian_I - Dreamweaver Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    imo, vit arcane is the way to go for pve. Pure arcane does too much dmg and ur pets can't keep aggro away from you. Once the mobs turn on you, it'll be easier to kill you because you have less hp. Having the vit will keep you from stealing aggro as quickly... and once the mobs turn on you, you still have a better chance of survival. Also, with vit arcane, you can still tank all the same bosses as you could with pure arcane. In fact, you can tank more of them. There's not enough of a difference in healing ur pet between vit and pure to really change the outcome of a boss fight, but there's definately a difference on the AoE bosses. A pure arcane won't last against AoE's unless they have a cleric healing them.

    Personally, I prefer vit arcane for pvp as well, but that debate is best saved for another day...
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Jellytops - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Unless you plan on doing bosses with massive AOE's (TT, Frost, etc.). Sure, you could shard your eq with hp shards, but I don't regret putting some points into vit also.

    Another thing you don't need for PvE is HP (Citrine) Shards. They don't balance out your pdef/mdef, they're more expensive, and they're bonus is not multiplied by your Fox Form skill. Cheaper Garnets are the ticket.
    It have helped me survive some good aoe's, and gives the cleric some extra time to heal. And yes, I use hp shards in my eq also.

    Lower HP/ higher Def gives cleric more time.
    And even though I'm not pure arcane, I still have to pause my skills so that I don't steal agro from my herc...

    A good veno will be busy starting with curses (Soul Degen, Amp, Ironwood), before attacks so it will do more damage while avoiding aggro.
    It all comes down to how you're planning to play. Running alot of instances/bosses, I would prefer some ekstra HP.

    High hp / low def is very inefficient.
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  • teazz
    teazz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I'm new to the game so I'm verifying what you are saying. For a pve build you are suggesting a vit arcane build. I read the forums. Does that means using robes? I also read that I should add 3 dex, 6 int and 3 strength every 2 levels? I'm a little confused because that requires 12 points and I only had 10 points to spend. What is the difference between a pure arcane and a vit arcane? I'm guessing the latter adds vit but how much?
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Arcane is robes (arcane armor.)

    Heavy armor is the only build that requires more than 10 attribute points per level to let you use own level armor and magic weapon. You either let armor or weapon lag your level, or get +stat and/or -req equipment to make up the difference.
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  • teazz
    teazz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If I understand your reply the 3 dex, 6 int and 3 strength every 2 levels is not a pve build. What would one suggest for PVE? Would you suggest:
    Str-- enough to wear armor/weapon of choise
    int-- max all one can
    con-- base
    agi-- base
    Vit-- not sure about this one???
    Armor-- cloth??
  • Fenian_I - Dreamweaver
    Fenian_I - Dreamweaver Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    teazz wrote: »
    If I understand your reply the 3 dex, 6 int and 3 strength every 2 levels is not a pve build. What would one suggest for PVE? Would you suggest:
    Str-- enough to wear armor/weapon of choise
    int-- max all one can
    con-- base
    agi-- base
    Vit-- not sure about this one???
    Armor-- cloth??

    there are 4 things you can put stats into. Strength, dexterity, magic, and vitality. A pure arcane puts the minimum points needed everywhere to wear their current lvl for gear and puts all the remaining points into magic. A vit arcane puts the minimum stats needed for your current lvl gear and all the remaining points into vit.

    There are 3 types of armour. Heavy armour, light armour, and arcane armour. Heavy armour takes high strength and low dex. Light armour takes medium str and medium dex. Arcane armour takes high magic and low str.
  • Lolite - Heavens Tear
    Lolite - Heavens Tear Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Just curious... Does anyone know the pet heal difference between a pure mag arcane and a pure vit arcane at lvl90? I think I've seen Solandri doing the math somewhere in the forum... could not find that thread any more b:sad
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  • Jennalicious - Sanctuary
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vit-Mag. Having that extra hp has saved me many times.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Vit-Mag. Having that extra hp has saved me many times.

    Defense has nothing to do with it?
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  • Damewort - Sanctuary
    Damewort - Sanctuary Posts: 573 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lolite - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Just curious... Does anyone know the pet heal difference between a pure mag arcane and a pure vit arcane at lvl90? I think I've seen Solandri doing the math somewhere in the forum... could not find that thread any more b:sad

    Not sure about Solandri... but I did some calcs some time ago. But it is for lvl100 and just by using WoDF:
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=535171

    Bottom of the opening post.
  • Fenian_I - Dreamweaver
    Fenian_I - Dreamweaver Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Defense has nothing to do with it?

    With defense, it only helps against with phys or elemental... not both. With extra hp, you have better survivability regardless of what you get hit with. The only problem with that is that your charm takes a bigger beating.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Fenian_I - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    With defense, it only helps against with phys or elemental... not both. With extra hp, you have better survivability regardless of what you get hit with. The only problem with that is that your charm takes a bigger beating.

    I think pure mag finds they can disregard mdef, so no: they only need worry about pdef for survivability. Adding HP will maintain the unbalance between pdef and mdef. Charm beatings aren't the only problem either. All forms of filling HP are affected like: leech, pots, and 3rd party heals. It can result in more expensive MP through HP pots / Soul Transfusion, longer time in fox form leeching. Also, Fox Form multiplies on your pdef: not HP.

    Wizards and Clerics also have skills that multiply on their pdef.
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