Best BM build?

OBOY - Sanctuary

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

There were portions of the video where he specifically switched to fists to down a couple of targets he singled out. In duels, you can see he mostly uses fists, because the sheer dps is indeed formidable, and even you cannot deny that.

Rebirth is but a small portion of the bigger picture. And I can say I didn't become a BM just so I can AOE. I became a BM because I want to save squads, because I want to stunlock, because I want to cancel AOEs and because I want be a class that molds itself to whatever the situation calls for. If all you do is AOE, you're missing out on the whole point of a BM. If all I did was AOE grind and rebirth, I'd quit game.

Any good BM knows that for different situations, there are different needs, and one weapon cannot meet the needs of everything.

But hey, if you insist rebirth and aoeing is all there is to a BM, whatever makes you sleep at night.

nice but guess what i can do all of the above to but with alot more dmg dont need fist/pole/sword to stunlock,save squads,or cancel aoe, i have all those skillz with jus my axes and genie and im pretty good at em to but u still dont have my dmg i have everything u metioned without the cost of 4 weapons to do it b:chuckle o and prepare to quit then cuz when u get to 90+ thats all there is well if u plan on leveling,well i gues u can pvp when u get bored but to lvl its grind and aoe in rb/fcc and not to sure about lunar/warsong so i cant say to much of what to do there, but o thats right well if u dont like to aoe well u can always spend alot of cash on oracles b:laugh

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

You sir do not have my damage. XD

Asperitas - Lost City

OBOY - Sanctuary wrote: »

nice but guess what i can do all of the above to but with alot more dmg dont need fist/pole/sword to stunlock,save squads,or cancel aoe, i have all those skillz with jus my axes and genie and im pretty good at em to but u still dont have my dmg i have everything u metioned without the cost of 4 weapons to do it b:chuckle o and prepare to quit then cuz when u get to 90+ thats all there is well if u plan on leveling,well i gues u can pvp when u get bored but to lvl its grind and aoe in rb/fcc and not to sure about lunar/warsong so i cant say to much of what to do there, but o thats right well if u dont like to aoe well u can always spend alot of cash on oracles b:laugh

Is your lightning chaser as reliable as shadowless kick?

Can you match the dps of fists with your axes?

Can you debuff a boss with myriad to save the tank?

Can you push mobs into a zhen or push them away from a squishy?

And more.

Like I said. It's not that you can't do the above things at all. You can, but half assed and crappy when compared to the real deal.

I never said I won't AOE grind or do rebirth. In fact, I am preparing myself for rebirth. But I don't need tons and tons of strength to do it well.

I said earlier. It might be okay for PVE, but once you hit PVP, you're never going to hit anyone. You'll miss crucial hits and your only hope will be to land a lucky zerk crit. Oops sorry. I mean hope to land a lucky zerk, because you don't have any crit. b:bye

OBOY - Sanctuary

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

Is your lightning chaser as reliable as shadowless kick?

Can you match the dps of fists with your axes?

Can you debuff a boss with myriad to save the tank?

Can you push mobs into a zhen or push them away from a squishy?

And more.

Like I said. It's not that you can't do the above things at all. You can, but half assed and crappy when compared to the real deal.

u make the mistake of thinking a fist can out dmg axes per seond not true with ur fist yes u will hit faster and get more hits in that 1 sec but in that same second ur hit output will be more yes but my dmg will b higher then urs combined b:chuckle,can i push mobz away yes i can i have a genie skill for that,can i cancel aoe yes i can my genie skill cancels skill 100% of the time,can i debuff nope im sure i can get a genie skill 4 it but i have no room for it on my genie and if theres no genie skill for it thats ok theres other classes who can debuff no1 ever says o we need a bm 2 join squad to debuff usb:laugh, and in any squad if u dont have axes ull have a tuff time getting squads becus u have no real purpose other classes can do ur job if u rnt aoeing but i never had problems getting squads being a pure str, i never had any1 say no we want a fist bm but i c ppl asking for axe bms all the time hmm i wonder y, its becuz we make runs go faster with our high dmg/aoe ,no ever ask 4 a fist/sowrd/pole bm y is that? becuz with all ur xtra weapons and skills u r replaceable other classes can do everything u can do but better except aoe, barbs main job that no1 can compare is to tank our is to aoe archer/wiz is to dd etc. etc. every class has something that other classes cant comapare with,for the bm its not using a meaningless 4weapon paths with skillz that other classes can also do but its to aoe stun/dmg and the best path 4 aoe is to have high str, and i know u can +10 +11 +12 ur sword/fist/pole and have good dmg but most cant affrod that or rather not waste that type of money 4it so my post is from the point of veiw of some1 who doesnt have high lvl refines if u can afford and want to spend that type of money on a game then thats kool this doesnt apply to u cuz ull have good dmg, but if u cant or dont wanna spend thousands of dollars on a free game to refine your weapon just to have decent dmg i suggest go str buildb:victory

Hippie - Harshlands

OBOY - Sanctuary wrote: »

u make the mistake of thinking a fist can out dmg axes per seond not true with ur fist yes u will hit faster and get more hits in that 1 sec but in that same second ur hit output will be more yes but my dmg will b higher then urs combined b:chuckle,can i push mobz away yes i can i have a genie skill for that,can i cancel aoe yes i can my genie skill cancels skill 100% of the time,can i debuff nope im sure i can get a genie skill 4 it but i have no room for it on my genie and if theres no genie skill for it thats ok theres other classes who can debuff no1 ever says o we need a bm 2 join squad to debuff usb:laugh, and in any squad if u dont have axes ull have a tuff time getting squads becus u have no real purpose other classes can do ur job if u rnt aoeing but i never had problems getting squads being a pure str, i never had any1 say no we want a fist bm but i c ppl asking for axe bms all the time hmm i wonder y, its becuz we make runs go faster with our high dmg/aoe ,no ever ask 4 a fist/sowrd/pole bm y is that? becuz with all ur xtra weapons and skills u r replaceable other classes can do everything u can do but better except aoe, barbs main job that no1 can compare is to tank our is to aoe archer/wiz is to dd etc. etc. every class has something that other classes cant comapare with,for the bm its not using a meaningless 4weapon paths with skillz that other classes can also do but its to aoe stun/dmg and the best path 4 aoe is to have high str, and i know u can +10 +11 +12 ur sword/fist/pole and have good dmg but most cant affrod that or rather not waste that type of money 4it so my post is from the point of veiw of some1 who doesnt have high lvl refines if u can afford and want to spend that type of money on a game then thats kool this doesnt apply to u cuz ull have good dmg, but if u cant or dont wanna spend thousands of dollars on a free game to refine your weapon just to have decent dmg i suggest go str buildb:victory

dude, u r so dumb, that could be a trophy.

i actually started explaining to u a few things but after i got past the first 2 sentence, i gacve up.

u must have oracled ur level, and thats the better case. since if u didnt u are really stuped : ))

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

So you're telling me you can hit 20k twice per second (edit:that's 40k per second) for 15 seconds straight with your axes.... Because I can. And its 40k twice per second for 6 of those seconds (edit: that's 80k per second for 6 seconds) if another bm is in squad and dragons. And I will only get faster when I get my - interval wrists....

rinuruc

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5cb9d7337f8cb4d6
is this possible??? 5hits per sec without even using demonspark??? n without using any buffs etc,... or is some of that gear impossible???

Asperitas - Lost City

armor of demonhunter is archer only. so you will be at 3.33 attacks/second.

The only reason I have axes is for rebirth. Other than that, i've never had trouble getting squads as a pole user.

But, I give up explaining. Each to their own.

OBOY - Sanctuary

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So you're telling me you can hit 20k twice per second (edit:that's 40k per second) for 15 seconds straight with your axes.... Because I can. And its 40k twice per second for 6 of those seconds (edit: that's 80k per second for 6 seconds) if another bm is in squad and dragons. And I will only get faster when I get my - interval wrists....

ok so u dont mind showing us a screeny of this right? im sure ur not a liar and have proof right? so thats 30hits ina row of 20k not stop thats crazy i do have to admit ive never had 30hits ina row of 20k that is amazing wow 30 hits none stop of 20k can u show that video plz becuz that is amazing if u can do that, hmm thats odd becuz ive nver had a fist/sword/ple pull aggro from me r u tellin me fist r puttin up those kinda #s wow then how am i holding aggro with my atks cuz ive nvr had 30 straight hits of 20k hmm i wonder how cani be holding aggro from these amazing high fist bm dd with those type of atks hmm and then to top it off u get 40k for 12 straight hits wow with fist and dragon once again i never had 12 straight hits of 40k i cant lie that is amazing plz show that vid so i can c it 4 myself; hmm ive had 3 straght hits of 80k-90k+ in rb with dragon but no where near 20 or 30 hits ina row of 20k+,hmm whats ur refine lvl maybe thats it but w8 even still 20-30 straght hits if thats the case fist bm would steal more aggro then but y dont they hmm i wonder y.

Tristel - Sanctuary

I have a bm friend who, at lvl 81, was able to kill players of all classes up to lvl 94. His build was even lvls- 1 vit, 2 str 2 dex
odd lvls- 1 vit 3 str and 1 dex

Using this build you wont necessarily be able to equip certain weapons and armors that will be available to you at your lvl early on, but you will be able to later on as this build catches up with the requisites.

OBOY - Sanctuary

Hippie - Harshlands wrote: »

dude, u r so dumb, that could be a trophy.

i actually started explaining to u a few things but after i got past the first 2 sentence, i gacve up.

u must have oracled ur level, and thats the better case. since if u didnt u are really stuped : ))

b:shocked wow man its only a game chill out relax go outside take a walk or something and calm down, my self and most of the adults here r having a respectful argument theres no no need for name calling its just a game, what makes the game fun is that there r thousands of ppl with there own opinions and u know what thats ok hey some barbs wanna put more str then vit thats ok some venos wanna use heavy armor and thats ok 2 and to them in there own minds they r all right and the fun part is coming here and giving our arguments on y we think our build is the best and no matter ur build its ok as long as its what u wanted, so if u dont have anything to add to the bm discussion i suggest leave becuase ur name calls r pointless and add no helpful info for any1b:bye

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

Unfortunately I don't have a program to record while I play the game. And I wouldn't use it anyways. The game would probably lag out. And as for screen shots; I don't take them unless its for faction pics or when I see something funny. I will take a screen shot next time though just for you.

And yes I take aggro all the time. All I need is the time to dragon bane and demon spark. My crit rate goes up to 39%. Then all I see is crit/crit/crit/crit...but its so fast heck there might have been one or two regular hits. But I was also under the impression we were embellishing our stories a bit cause you are so awesome. And my accounting is very, very, close to being completely true.

You should see what squad members say when the boss dies so fast. WoW or OMG is very common.

My point being is your build isn't all that great damage wise. A good fist bm will out damage you. I have no idea why the fist bm's you are squading with aren't taking aggro. Maybe they don't want to.

And just so you know my main weapon is axes.

My fist is Gorenox Vanity +5

And please could you attempt for a second to use paragraphs and proper spelling. You make all of our eyes hurt deciphering your writing.

OBOY - Sanctuary

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Unfortunately I don't have a program to record while I play the game. And I wouldn't use it anyways. The game would probably lag out. And as for screen shots; I don't take them unless its for faction pics or when I see something funny. I will take a screen shot next time though just for you.

And yes I take aggro all the time. All I need is the time to dragon bane and demon spark. My crit rate goes up to 39%. Then all I see is crit/crit/crit/crit...but its so fast heck there might have been one or two regular hits. But I was also under the impression we were embellishing our stories a bit cause you are so awesome. And my accounting is very, very, close to being completely true.

You should see what squad members say when the boss dies so fast. WoW or OMG is very common.

My point being is your build isn't all that great damage wise. A good fist bm will out damage you. I have no idea why the fist bm's you are squading with aren't taking aggro. Maybe they don't want to.

And just so you know my main weapon is axes.

My fist is Gorenox Vanity +5

And please could you attempt for a second to use paragraphs and proper spelling. You make all of our eyes hurt deciphering your writing.

i know u didnt have to tell me ur main weapon was axes cuz if it wasnt ud be a very lonely bm so i assumed it was and yea dam thats how it always works the 4 path bm users say i hit this i hit that but when it come time to prove its o well umm uhh i cant cuz...., 4myself i dont needa lie about anything i do or exaggerate cuz i rly do actually have good aoe dmg,str bm r the fastest lvler cuz of aoe and in my opinion its the best path for a bmb:pleasedb:victory

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

OBOY - Sanctuary wrote: »

i know u didnt have to tell me ur main weapon was axes cuz if it wasnt ud be a very lonely bm so i assumed it was and yea dam thats how it always works the 4 path bm users say i hit this i hit that but when it come time to prove its o well umm uhh i cant cuz...., 4myself i dont needa lie about anything i do or exaggerate cuz i rly do actually have good aoe dmg,str bm r the fastest lvler cuz of aoe and in my opinion its the best path for a bmb:pleasedb:victory

lol, prove it. let me see your screen shot or a video. b:victory

And yes i do do that damage. b:cool

Daizengar - Sanctuary

I had to squad with OBOY last night for Frost, and I held aggro from mobs more then he did. It was especially noticable when we both attacked a single target and I was taking damage because I was using Gorenox Vanity and held aggro.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

Daizengar - Sanctuary wrote: »

I had to squad with OBOY last night for Frost, and I held aggro from mobs more then he did. It was especially noticable when we both attacked a single target and I was taking damage because I was using Gorenox Vanity and held aggro.

b:victoryb:victory You are my new best friend!! b:thanks

Daizengar - Sanctuary

On the damage note, here's -PART- of what I dealt to Linus during a BH. Most of it scrolled off. It's not as high what Advance said he could do and I only have interval wrist, but this is only an example.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/151/20091228131818.png

EDIT: And I forgot my blessing too, apparently.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

Well i did forget to mention the boss had veno amp, and was debuffed with extreme poison and another genie skill i forgot its name.

OBOY - Sanctuary

Daizengar - Sanctuary wrote: »

I had to squad with OBOY last night for Frost, and I held aggro from mobs more then he did. It was especially noticable when we both attacked a single target and I was taking damage because I was using Gorenox Vanity and held aggro.

b:laughthats a lie the only time u got any aggro was when u rushed up ahead and attacked 1st but shorty after i aoed all mobs came back to me each time i b:laugh to myself u tried so hard u dam near spamed ur sparks while i didnt use not 1 spark i dont have to and yet u still got no aggro when i aoed, but hey i didnt mind letting have some of those mobz i had my charm i wanted to protect, but rly be honest u know when i aoed u saw the differnce and even when u sparked and used stream strike i still took all the mobsb:chucklefunny u had nothin to say then but now wanna lie on forums b:laugh

Daizengar - Sanctuary

OBOY - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:laughthats a lie the only time u got any aggro was when u rushed up ahead and attacked 1st but shorty after i aoed all mobs came back to me each time i b:laugh to myself u tried so hard u dam near spamed ur sparks while i didnt use not 1 spark i dont have to and yet u still got no aggro when i aoed, but hey i didnt mind letting have some of those mobz i had my charm i wanted to protect, but rly be honest u know when i aoed u saw the differnce and even when u sparked and used stream strike i still took all the mobsb:chucklefunny u had nothin to say then but now wanna lie on forums b:laugh

You're the one who's lying now.

First: I don't use stream strike. (Does anyone even use that?)
Second: Stream is so unreliable it wouldn't take aggro.
Third: I sparked only for bosses. And even then, I also used a mix of Glacial Spike and Heavens Flame to amp the team's damage

Now if you're still so sure of your self, go find me ingame again then.

rinuruc

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

armor of demonhunter is archer only. so you will be at 3.33 attacks/second.

The only reason I have axes is for rebirth. Other than that, i've never had trouble getting squads as a pole user.

But, I give up explaining. Each to their own.

bah,... would be overpowered with demonspark on it than,... ;-) (suckz red bubble n sparks dont stack,... :S ) otherwise this would be sooooooo pwnage

Xarix - Harshlands

From 1-60 poles is a pretty good path to choose. I have however taken to using 1 fist skill (spell cancel) when needed.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

I was able to take some screen shots last night but it doesn't show the highest damage output I've done but its close enough for this forum. I will post when I get home.

Filet - Heavens Tear

OBOY - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:laughthats a lie the only time u got any aggro was when u rushed up ahead and attacked 1st but shorty after i aoed all mobs came back to me each time i b:laugh to myself u tried so hard u dam near spamed ur sparks while i didnt use not 1 spark i dont have to and yet u still got no aggro when i aoed, but hey i didnt mind letting have some of those mobz i had my charm i wanted to protect, but rly be honest u know when i aoed u saw the differnce and even when u sparked and used stream strike i still took all the mobsb:chucklefunny u had nothin to say then but now wanna lie on forums b:laugh

OBOY 4 path bms can do everything that axe bms can do but do it better overall. First of all i'm assuming you haven't had experience with all 4 weapons, if you have then ignore that.
Axes are only good for aoe and stunning. That's the main job of a BM in squad.
However the other 3 weapons also provide other supplementary roles that are also extremely useful.
Poles- Provide range so that you can attack ranged mobs without having to run up to them. Also great in PvP and TW for runners
Swords- Really strong single target skills, Myriad Sword Stance can really save your squad or yourself
Fists- Ridiculous DPS, great for holding aggro on bosses and PvP

For your claim that you do more damage in AOE Grinding yes that may be true. Comparison of 2 lvl 90 bms using +5 GX 2 sock

A Dex BM at lvl 90 using 2 garnet gems:
5 vit, 275 str, 180 dex, 5 mag: 3478-6142, 10% crit, 1800 acc
Damage: 5291 ((Min+Max/2 * (1+crit rate))
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=bf21387ae0cd3188

A Str BM at lvl 90 using 2 amber gems:
5 vit, 401 str, 49 dex, 5 mag: 3717-7059, 3% crit, 940 acc
Damage: 5550
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9a90f3fbf39a1309

The % difference in damage is a 5% increase in damage with a str build. This is not accounting for the huge difference in accuracy, and the evade of the dex bm.

Is that 5% worth the versatility and other benefits of a 4 weapon bm? Ask anyone and they will tell you that a pure axe bm is seriously gimped in PvP

Now axe probably deals the least dps out of all the weapons. Considering how you can get up to 5 atk/s with fist/claw, it seriously out damages axe. I haven't met a single person with weapon refine +8 or less that steals aggro from me (I use +8 lunar claws). If you want proof I can list the numbers for you, but your claim that axe does more dps than fist is completely wrong.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

I can't afford lunar claws. b:cry

I only have Gorenox Vanity. Tell me did you get lucky...well...did ya punk...b:chuckleb:pleased

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OBOY 4 path bms can do everything that axe bms can do but do it better overall. First of all i'm assuming you haven't had experience with all 4 weapons, if you have then ignore that.
Axes are only good for aoe and stunning. That's the main job of a BM in squad.
However the other 3 weapons also provide other supplementary roles that are also extremely useful.
Poles- Provide range so that you can attack ranged mobs without having to run up to them. Also great in PvP and TW for runners
Swords- Really strong single target skills, Myriad Sword Stance can really save your squad or yourself
Fists- Ridiculous DPS, great for holding aggro on bosses and PvP

For your claim that you do more damage in AOE Grinding yes that may be true. Comparison of 2 lvl 90 bms using +5 GX 2 sock

A Dex BM at lvl 90 using 2 garnet gems:
5 vit, 275 str, 180 dex, 5 mag: 3478-6142, 10% crit, 1800 acc
Damage: 5291 ((Min+Max/2 * (1+crit rate))
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=bf21387ae0cd3188

A Str BM at lvl 90 using 2 amber gems:
5 vit, 401 str, 49 dex, 5 mag: 3717-7059, 3% crit, 940 acc
Damage: 5550
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9a90f3fbf39a1309

The % difference in damage is a 5% increase in damage with a str build. This is not accounting for the huge difference in accuracy, and the evade of the dex bm.

Is that 5% worth the versatility and other benefits of a 4 weapon bm? Ask anyone and they will tell you that a pure axe bm is seriously gimped in PvP

Now axe probably deals the least dps out of all the weapons. Considering how you can get up to 5 atk/s with fist/claw, it seriously out damages axe. I haven't met a single person with weapon refine +8 or less that steals aggro from me (I use +8 lunar claws). If you want proof I can list the numbers for you, but your claim that axe does more dps than fist is completely wrong.

you will surender those claws to me >.>

*mind controooooool*b:cute

Telarith - Sanctuary

rinuruc wrote: »

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5cb9d7337f8cb4d6
is this possible??? 5hits per sec without even using demonspark??? n without using any buffs etc,... or is some of that gear impossible???

According to Korren's posts the leggings should be able to recast to have a -.05 interval bonus as the add it gains. If true, this should bring the natural attack rate of fists up to 4 per second, needing only a 10% attack speed buff to hit 5 per second. So anyone who was halving their TT99 to be part HA and LA can swap the belt over to HA to keep the suit bonuses, and recast the leggings completely. Save the necklace for either mag def recast, or cube necklace if looking for the best one. Gives all the needed bonuses, and should keep the majority of the benefits.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

So we take tt99 wrists and boots and get total -.15 recast leggings for -.2. Correct?

Filet - Heavens Tear

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So we take tt99 wrists and boots and get total -.15 recast leggings for -.2. Correct?

Have to take into account that you can't even start farming for the items needed to recast until level 100, and it takes a really really long time to get enough for a recast.

Telarith - Sanctuary

Basically for complete end game, you would work towards TT99 HA legs, chest, and belt; LA wrists and boots. So at 99, you''ll have your -interval. Then after farming Nirvana a while, you'll fully recast your leggings for the extra -.05, leaving you with the belt and chest as your HA, with wrists and boots still getting LA bonus. This should give a total of -.25 interval off of your armor. Can mix and match which is HA and LA, but I prefer having the higher pdef pretty much.

Going for Lionheart belt over necklace was for a few reasons: Cube is my end game necklace, so the ATK/DEF lvl outweighs anything 99 neck can give me. Belt also gives some stat boosts, which will be nice. Cube necklace gives an extra 5% max health, and it has the ability to go up to G16, for the highest refine bonus for my mag def. Other people may go a different route, but this is the one I'm seeing for my BM. Just 6 more lvls till 100.