10x wiz vs 10x veno

LVampire - Lost City
LVampire - Lost City Posts: 4 Arc User
edited December 2009 in Venomancer
a fight where the wizard aims for your nix...from what i seen a nix at that level can be 2 shoted by a wizard...do i try to heal him , stow him, or just go full attack even thou my mag attacks dont do much to a wiz?
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  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    i'd say it depends on ur pots / chances / chanelling.

    if ur first stun & armor break goes faster than his first seal or w/e hes up to and
    your nix isnt stowed its a quaranteed win.

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  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    at this point weapon refinement make big difference
    i dont think wf can win 1 vs 1 wizard, both are range so lucky sccarab have no really use
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Use myriad as your opening move, if you get a mind break, nuke him, if you don't get a mind break, get ready to get two shotted yourself unless for some wierd reason you manage to close in and you are heavy build, so you can melee him/her.

    Also, let him go after your phoenix, that will give you a few extra seconds to figure out if your mind break worked or not. Also remember, you can use immune movement debuffs genie skills or pots before you use feral, so you can give yourself a nice 10 sec of not having to worry too much. I am not sure if summer sprint would also prevent the freeze from feral if you were to use it right before if you are demon or right after if you are sage.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    yeah there is one minor flaw in that plan, even with your p.atk, wizards can have more pdef than you in robes lol, itd be like trying to melee a BM to death.

    really, the only way ive taken down high level wizards were stuns + ep + triple sparks. theres not much you can do to break their defenses |:
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  • Plicid - Heavens Tear
    Plicid - Heavens Tear Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    it very much depends on your build and if you are sage/Demon. if you stun them they cant kill pet. lucky scarab, Bleed, Pounce, Parasitic nova if sage this can be 12 seconds of stun/Seal more than enough time to take down a squishy wiz. now that is if they dont sutra, or dragons and 1 shot you. also if you can manage to purge them they are much squishier and nix may eat them.
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    yeah there is one minor flaw in that plan, even with your p.atk, wizards can have more pdef than you in robes lol, itd be like trying to melee a BM to death.

    really, the only way ive taken down high level wizards were stuns + ep + triple sparks. theres not much you can do to break their defenses |:
    unless you have a chance to purge
  • LVampire - Lost City
    LVampire - Lost City Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    <--Heavy atm going 3 heavy 1 arcane when i get a better tome...and i am a Sage...and atm i got no channeling gear...need to gain levels to get rid of junk equipment...
  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    the problem lies with the typical veno tactics. a typical veno sends pet to the wiz from highest possible range and the wizard obviously kites, luring the bird far away from your healing range and then... dead pet.

    I don't see any perfect solution but you can always try to draw attention by using fortify+feral+fox form and then rush straight to the wizard like a bm.
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  • Chanima - Heavens Tear
    Chanima - Heavens Tear Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    the problem lies with the typical veno tactics. a typical veno sends pet to the wiz from highest possible range and the wizard obviously kites, luring the bird far away from your healing range and then... dead pet.

    I don't see any perfect solution but you can always try to draw attention by using fortify+feral+fox form and then rush straight to the wizard like a bm.

    If the wizard is unaware of the phoenix, the nix is fast and ruthless and can easily **** a wizard unless the wiz got great gear.. a 3k hp arcane wiz with 1k phys res unbuffed and only the waterbuff = **** by the bird. b:bye
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Chanima - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If the wizard is unaware of the phoenix, the nix is fast and ruthless and can easily **** a wizard unless the wiz got great gear.. a 3k hp arcane wiz with 1k phys res unbuffed and only the waterbuff = **** by the bird. b:bye
    we're talking about real PvP. not about you pking some AFK 7x.
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    There's always spark blocking. Fox Form on his ****, use Fox Wallop to slow his casting, and just as his spell is about to launch, SPARK. That assumes he's not targeting your pet, which makes fighting a Wizard even easier. There's also the lovely genie skill Earthquake, which when maxed immediately stops channeling. Or, there's the Fortify/Feral Concentration combo, or, if you're quick enough to get off a Nova, there's a dead wizard if the stun works. I honestly haven't had a hard fight against a wizard, well... Ever. They rely too much on actually connecting, and with pet and Veno attacking, even regular attacks can cause an interrupt, and if they try to run, there's always Stunning Blow. I don't even have a Phoenix and I can brutalize Wizards. It's all in having some strategy. :D Of course, there's always powders and such, in case you really need that leg up. :P And if all else fails? Bramble Hood isn't just for uber deflect damage, you know.
  • Chanima - Heavens Tear
    Chanima - Heavens Tear Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I bet my lvl 100 phoenix can kill you without me attacking King_Solomon... Also.. bramle hood dont work in PvP, same with bramble guard :p
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  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Assuming you are demon and have good gear (especially high channeling and crit)...

    Demon foxform+summer sprint to him and purge/stunning blow. Don't waste time on amping (unless you land a nix stun, and even then you should probably avoid using it); instead use extreme poison, a chi pot and unfox next to him + triple spark.

    Nuke with wood debuff and ironwood - if you crit with ironwood/follow up venomous its pretty much game over for him.

    Run under your nix for maximum confusion.

    If he stands ground then make him waste antibleed/whatever debuff skill he has on genie by buffing nix next to him.

    Its funny how most people associate the "ring of fire" animation of nix to be bleed only.

    If he runs just holy path + lucky him. Repeat above.

    A lot of wizard encounters really depend on luck, for both sides. If a wiz lands a crit on you or nix, it might be gg. Luckily most wizards have terrible crit rates, and as an LA demon veno you can pump it up to over 30% by endgame which really helps in these encounters.

    I find it best to take the fight close and personal; most venos would do the opposite and therefore the wizard will not expect such an outcome, or be less prepared for it at least.
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  • Miss_Tika - Lost City
    Miss_Tika - Lost City Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I 1v1'd a 10x Veno just yesterday, she's good too, and was just doing it for fun. First time I lost to Hell Iron wood's armor break and got **** by the pet's 9xx damage. 2nd and 3rd time I kill nix with ease, and just beat the day lights out of the veno before it hell fox form or holy path's away.

    Only real way to kill a wiz is to get Lucky, Bleed, Pounce, Frostscarab/Occult Ice, Purge off before wiz can shrink or phoenix or seal. Or keep holy path ready to attack before charm is rejuvenated.

    Also, good venos know how to keep their nix alive. To do this you need the proper channeling (-18%-24% is good for PvP), and know when to stun in between heals. Also, kiting/stowing the nix can help keeping it alive too. But ya, Undine + Gush + Stone rain = dead nix, even a level 100 one.

    Also, know when to purge, but im not going into detail on that :P

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