Magmite pets.

storm704

Are they good beginner pets, if so how? I hear many people own them.

Sevas - Heavens Tear

Most venos do get them because:

1. You get them at L17/18 (depending on the one you grab).
2. They are "decently" the best you can get if you don't have a lot of money.
3. They are common pets.

Be warned it will pretty much fill your screen.

ChaoticLove - Sanctuary

storm704 wrote: »

Are they good beginner pets, if so how? I hear many people own them.

In my opinion they are good. depending on what you like. Most use it until they can afford a herc. but lets not get into that. but I have had a magmite and they are very good. they are good for tanking and keep multiple pets away from you. it can withstand about 4-5 mobs attacking. and it can help tank a boss. so yes its really good. b:thanks

tweakz

They'll have relatively no use at around level 60 which comes fast. The best use at higher levels I've read for them was as a tank on mobs or Stygean in FB79 to hold aggro against a squad (if they can tank). For those rare times, I'd rather players be responsible for their aggro or just run it with a Barb. Not sure it's worth leveling one to that high just to save a couple minutes here and there.

They are large as mentioned which does affect targeting. Compare to a Scorpion which has higher DPS, and is less in the way. A Scorpion can be very useful in higher levels for FF/FC, tanking Djinn in TT3-1, and DD'ing on non AoE bosses.

Because of their very limited use at higher levels and the expense of skills, I'd avoid investing too much in them. A great pet bag has a good variety of pets with different specialties. For what a Golem is good for, it pales in comparison to a Hercules. I also don't believe it can tank any boss that another common pet couldn't (it can sometimes do it faster though).

Some pets that aren't overshadowed by Legendary Pets:
Varicose Scorpion (or other L2 starter Scorpion *pick a color)
Eldergoth Marksman / Eldergoth Sharpshooter (L41/46)
Armored Bear (L80)
Celestial Sting / Ethereal Inamorato (L89/91)

The Armored Bear is the only rare pet in the list and is also probably the least useful / biggest pain to level of them. It however comes with a full set of useful skills for it's best purpose (debuf luring using Threaten and Tough). Using Bramble Hood with a ranged pet is an alternative to using an Armored Bear to lure.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

most of the above user's post is ok, but i fairly disagree with this:

They'll have relatively no use at around level 60 which comes fast.

theyre one of the better pets on terms of stats, and can be used in conjunction with other pets to make a nice team to support.

every monster that uses magic on the ground, will melee if you get too close (with the exception of 'Trioc' and 'shrunchkin mages' who run.) so why not have a golem?

tweakz

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

so why not have a golem?

They're slow, obstruct targeting, mobs mix melee with mag at melee range and mag mobs ambush typically with mag (when pet would need that defense most). How about instead give reason to have one past 60 when someone also has a Herc? -I did

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

How about instead give reason to have one past 60 when someone also has a Herc? -I did

how about name a way someone new to the game can get a herc @500k+ per gold without breaking a credit card.

im sorry if you fail at clicking, but ive never had any issues with targeting with large pets, theres no reason for them to -not- have one if he wants one.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

freind of mine level 80 veno poor as i am but excedingly good at her class

has a rock a armord bear sawfly kowlin whatever the blue fb 59 chicken is and a shadu cub...

guess what her most used and beloved pet is?

the rock

i have seen this pet do everything from luring wurlord w/o dieing to tanking pyro while the barb was rezzed has served her well in single mode TT on every single boss

i want to find a way to crawl inside this thing and use it as armor would probobly beat lunar gearsb:chuckle

great pet in the hands of a capable veno

also to target mobs around the pet rock shift + click problem solved

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

There are things that the rock is not good for later. FB59 for example has WAY too much magic flying around.

But for a great big chunk of game, they're very good pets.

ewingoil

I would say shadou cubs are but they are rare as well.The downside of having golem is that groups will take a herc veno over a golem veno.

LinkAway - Sanctuary

For most of people, there is 2 kinds of venos : herc venos and other venos. So anyways if you don't have herc you wonna be taken in most of the gammas/TT etc .... squads. The golem is one of the best common tanker of the game (it is also better than rare pets), just look at his phys res ! Mine is 74 and has above 7k4. And the herc isnt far away from that (the best thing for the herc is its buffs, otherwise i don't think it would be that awesome ?).
The Magmites are really good tanker, thus they are really useful in playing alone since they can tank one or more mobs while you're nuking their butt. It's right that in squad they are useless, just take another pet then, im using kowlin and it's working great.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

With Bash, they have the third highest DPS of any land pet (herc and scorpion are better, barely). So if you don't replace it with a herc, it's still pretty useful at high levels as a high-damage pet for use on bosses when another veno's herc or barb is tanking. Most of the pets with more balanced pdef and mdef (what you need for tanking at higher levels) tend to have poor attack, so I wouldn't recommend using that one pet for all pplications.

tweakz

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

freind of mine level 80 veno poor as i am but excedingly good at her class

has a rock a armord bear sawfly kowlin whatever the blue fb 59 chicken is and a shadu cub...

guess what her most used and beloved pet is?

the rock

i have seen this pet do everything from luring wurlord w/o dieing to tanking pyro while the barb was rezzed has served her well in single mode TT on every single boss

Sower of the Flame - practically useless. Kowlin - Far outdone by ranged pets unless you need flashy light show. Bear - Low Atk but compensates for in skills. Sawfly - not a land pet. Shadou Cub - Would have been safer choice for TT1-1 solo depending on your mAtk but I never bothered with one. Almost any pet can lure Wurlord, many can more consistently. Pyro isn't a challenge as there's probably a handful of common pets that could tank it at same level. Compare to what a Ranged Pet can do: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=323451

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But for a great big chunk of game, they're very good pets.

Only problem with this is that you'd have to base that off levels and not actual time spent in the game. At the lower 70's, you can still level daily. By the time you're in your 80's you could earn a Herc in just a few levels. At this point you start spending much more time per level. The Magmite can get you to level 60 w/o investing in skills, and after that: they're a waste.

ewingoil wrote: »

I would say shadou cubs are but they are rare as well.The downside of having golem is that groups will take a herc veno over a golem veno.

Rare and price is a factor on the cubs, but also consider value of their skills, and their resale value (not much). The fact that groups will take a Herc veno over a Golem veno is important. My whole point here has been to make it clear that it's not worth spending millions on a Golem's skills when it would better be saved for a Herc.

LinkAway - Sanctuary wrote: »

The Magmites are really good tanker, thus they are really useful in playing alone since they can tank one or more mobs while you're nuking their butt. It's right that in squad they are useless, just take another pet then, im using kowlin and it's working great.

My Scorpion is often taking on 3 same level mobs at a time, though it is much squishier than most pets. You should try other pets than a Kowlin. Out of 9 battle pets, I hated leveling it most. It was also far inferior for luring. It's popular mostly because it's sexy, and it's best value is probably as a boss debuffer for a squad when there's no AoE.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

With Bash, they have the third highest DPS of any land pet (herc and scorpion are better, barely). So if you don't replace it with a herc, it's still pretty useful at high levels as a high-damage pet for use on bosses when another veno's herc or barb is tanking. Most of the pets with more balanced pdef and mdef (what you need for tanking at higher levels) tend to have poor attack, so I wouldn't recommend using that one pet for all pplications.

With bash and high dps, they also risk Aggro. Skills like claw and bash multiply on dps.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

With bash and high dps, they also risk Aggro. Skills like claw and bash multiply on dps.

That's why I said with a herc or barb tanking. You can just turn off Bash if it keeps taking aggro (the herc has higher base DPS). Although that shouldn't happen with both herc and barb having damage reflect up. It's only the bosses with a magical AOE where it bites as a non-tanking pet.

Sevas - Heavens Tear

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If he still loses aggro to a magmite, he is a totally fail barb. And non-tanking pets can be stowed and resummoned during a fight to clear their aggro if they are an aggro risk.

Depends on the instance. I mean, any pet on any boss with any barb will be able to steal agro simply because of how it generates agro. This is especially true in TT where damage gets nerfed except for the pet's damage. If a skill is left on, it's only a matter of time before the pet pulls agro. If a veno gets their pets killed in TT because of their own stupidity, hardly the barb's fault.

storm704

Hey guys, thanks for the great input on the golem . But err, I kinda forgot to mention i'm an extremely low level player and have only been playing for a week. Getting a herc would be completely out of my reach as i'm only level 20. So far i have about a total of 100k :P and i doubt that's enough for an end game pet. But thanks a lot, just one question. Which magmite would be the best? Volcanic, crystaline or the other one who's name i forgot b:pleased

Sevas - Heavens Tear

Crystaline and Volcanic are the only ones you can use at your level. There is a debate on the forums somewhere about which is better.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Depends on the instance. I mean, any pet on any boss with any barb will be able to steal agro simply because of how it generates agro. This is especially true in TT where damage gets nerfed except for the pet's damage. If a skill is left on, it's only a matter of time before the pet pulls agro. If a veno gets their pets killed in TT because of their own stupidity, hardly the barb's fault.

Damage reflect on the barb isn't nerfed in TT. In most cases, the reflect damage should be as much as if not more than the pet's damage (it's common to get 3k+ reflect damage in TT). So all that's left is the extra aggro of Bash vs. the barb's flesh ream. If the barb isn't using his FR as often as possible to allow his party to maximize its DPS and shorten the fight, then he is just being a lazy barb. For those few cases where their FR is not enough (seems to be higher pdef bosses), you can always stow and resummon.

And all this is missing the point. The magmite is a high DPS pet. You can always lower a high DPS pet's damage/aggro. You cannot increase a low DPS pet's damage. So a high DPS pet is a good thing to have in your bag of tricks even if it can't tank anymore.

LinkAway - Sanctuary

storm704 wrote: »

Hey guys, thanks for the great input on the golem . But err, I kinda forgot to mention i'm an extremely low level player and have only been playing for a week. Getting a herc would be completely out of my reach as i'm only level 20. So far i have about a total of 100k :P and i doubt that's enough for an end game pet. But thanks a lot, just one question. Which magmite would be the best? Volcanic, crystaline or the other one who's name i forgot b:pleased

-> Crystalline = lv17 = higher stats / Bash + Sandblow
-> Volcanic = lv18 = lower stats / Bash + Sandblow + Tough
(lower / higher = a difference about 50 in stats)

Sevas - Heavens Tear

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Damage reflect on the barb isn't nerfed in TT. In most cases, the reflect damage should be as much as if not more than the pet's damage (it's common to get 3k+ reflect damage in TT). So all that's left is the extra aggro of Bash vs. the barb's flesh ream. If the barb isn't using his FR as often as possible to allow his party to maximize its DPS and shorten the fight, then he is just being a lazy barb. For those few cases where their FR is not enough (seems to be higher pdef bosses), you can always stow and resummon.

I am not talking about the skills used on a barb, but the pet. Regardless of how the barb uses all of their agro skills they will lose to a pet with its skill on, even if it's a L1 Bash. It may take a few minutes or it may only take a couple uses of the skill, but the pet will gain agro. I used to lose my pets that way until I got fed up with having to pay for more loyalty.

tweakz

LinkAway - Sanctuary wrote: »

-> Crystalline = lv17 = higher stats / Bash + Sandblow
-> Volcanic = lv18 = lower stats / Bash + Sandblow + Tough
(lower / higher = a difference about 50 in stats)

Volcanic is faster, didn't factor that in. Other stats are negligible.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I am not talking about the skills used on a barb, but the pet. Regardless of how the barb uses all of their agro skills they will lose to a pet with its skill on, even if it's a L1 Bash. It may take a few minutes or it may only take a couple uses of the skill, but the pet will gain agro. I used to lose my pets that way until I got fed up with having to pay for more loyalty.

If this were true, pets would be better able to hold aggro when tanking than barbs. That has not been my experience. Archers and wizards are able to open with more damage when a barb is tanking.

The only times I've seen barbs lose aggro to a pet using a single aggro skill is when the barb is lazy, or when you're fighting something particularly high level or with high defense. Pet damage seems to ignore some or all of the level reductions done to player damage, resulting in them doing more damage vs. high level mobs than a player of their level. (You can see the opposite effect when fighting low-level stuff. Players are more easily able to pull aggro off your pet.)

Sevas - Heavens Tear

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If this were true, pets would be better able to hold aggro when tanking than barbs. That has not been my experience. Archers and wizards are able to open with more damage when a barb is tanking.

That all depends on how nubby your DDs want to be. If they do not mind wait a moment for the pet to acquire decent agro, then they should be able to DD properly. I have seen some very good barbs lose agro to squishies and die. Of course, in those instances there were big gaps between the tanker and the DD. I am well practiced at fighting for agro with my veno and I can do it with most barbs. There are a handful that can successfully hold it against me or reacquire it very quickly.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The only times I've seen barbs lose aggro to a pet using a single aggro skill is when the barb is lazy, or when you're fighting something particularly high level or with high defense. Pet damage seems to ignore some or all of the level reductions done to player damage, resulting in them doing more damage vs. high level mobs than a player of their level. (You can see the opposite effect when fighting low-level stuff. Players are more easily able to pull aggro off your pet.)

Okay, one more time. Any tanker - bm, barb, the tooth fairy, whatever - will lose agro to a pet with its skill on That's a given. When I was in my low 70s I would run TTs with a bunch of L80 players and if I forgot to turn my pet's skill off the boss would turn to it, hit it a couple times, and I would have a dead pet. The tanker in those situations was usually a good barb. Regardless of how many alternate ways you spam your agro skills, a pet will generate it faster and thus take agro, even if for a moment and then dies.

ewingoil

tweakz wrote: »

Rare and price is a factor on the cubs, but also consider value of their skills, and their resale value (not much). The fact that groups will take a Herc veno over a Golem veno is important. My whole point here has been to make it clear that it's not worth spending millions on a Golem's skills when it would better be saved for a Herc.

Yeah I agree it isn't worth investing to much in the a Golem as you can just upgrade it to the Valorian.I would say that a shadow cub is still has good resale value.

My Scorpion is often taking on 3 same level mobs at a time, though it is much squishier than most pets. You should try other pets than a Kowlin. Out of 9 battle pets, I hated leveling it most. It was also far inferior for luring. It's popular mostly because it's sexy, and it's best value is probably as a boss debuffer for a squad when there's no AoE.

I would go for Lunar Lupin if you want something that looks nice.

Aniella - Harshlands

i use 2mill on a good pet bc its the only thing who make me strong TO KILL a **** MOBS.. and i don't want to die..so.

i can kill mobs without pet but lost alot life..and my gear get broken fast..and it cost alot to rep itb:shocked.
i can use lvl 2 wep don't care as long as pet have life

AinaMizuako - Sanctuary

I don't care how much **** I get for having a rock instead of herc. I could easily get one in a couple of months if I really tried, but you know what? I like my rock more than a big yellow ball of fat. First legendary pet I'll be getting (if I ever get one) is a phoenix. b:bye I've never had a problem with its size because I actually know how to hold down my shift/alt buttons. b:cute

Brael - Dreamweaver

At 62 a magmite still works fine, though you are getting close to the level range where the slower speed a magmite has compared to other pets becomes an actual disadvantage. You're also getting to the area where mobs begin doing a 4 melee/1 cast attack cycle (not all mobs do, and some do at your range, but it gets more common higher up), and that does matter for a magmite.

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

To be honest, if you really want a pet rock. I would not upgrade bash at all. I would just get a valorian, as they are faster and higher level bash kinda balances out how its a bit weaker. Also, they come at a higher level = no need to level as much. The speed helps for grinding, and the minor weakened stats does not matter much. Might as well save a few hundred thousand (instead of upgrading bash) for herc/nix.