Hey Perfect World INTERNATIONAL

Favu - Heavens Tear
Favu - Heavens Tear Posts: 138 Arc User
edited November 2009 in General Discussion
They're trying to make a union of Spanish guilds on the Heavens Tear server and apparently we can't discuss the union because we're not allowed to make threads in another language on the forums.

Fail.

Hey GMs, time to elect a new peon who's multilingual. Do I need to run the numbers on what percentage of the world speaks Spanish? It's Perfect World International. Get over yourselves.


In before, "If we allow Spanish, we have to allow all languages." So make a foreign language category. Wham bam, thank you ma'am.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
heaven's tear ~ 100 cleric / 97 veno / 91 barb ~ soy lider de la faccion venganza
Post edited by Favu - Heavens Tear on
«1

Comments

  • Tatuaje - Lost City
    Tatuaje - Lost City Posts: 2,780 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    If you were in Canada you could get away with that request but with French instead since some **** monkey up here made it the second official language.

    But since Spanish is not officially the second language then you might be left short.

    PWI is focused for USA...There is something on the site that explains it. Perhaps someone who knows can link it.
    tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
    frankieraye:All right, I admit it, it's a bit retro. lol.
  • Favu - Heavens Tear
    Favu - Heavens Tear Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »
    If you were in Canada you could get away with that request but with French instead since some **** monkey up here made it the second official language.

    But since Spanish is not officially the second language then you might be left short.

    PWI is focused for USA...There is something on the site that explains it. Perhaps someone who knows can link it.

    I said DON'T make me run the numbers. b:infuriated But okay, here you go. Scroll down to Language Spoken At Home and have a ball.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    heaven's tear ~ 100 cleric / 97 veno / 91 barb ~ soy lider de la faccion venganza
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Favu - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    They're trying to make a union of Spanish guilds on the Heavens Tear server and apparently we can't discuss the union because we're not allowed to make threads in another language on the forums.

    Fail.

    Hey GMs, time to elect a new peon who's multilingual. Do I need to run the numbers on what percentage of the world speaks Spanish? It's Perfect World International. Get over yourselves.


    In before, "If we allow Spanish, we have to allow all languages." So make a foreign language category. Wham bam, thank you ma'am.
    its an american subsidiary for reaching the american market due to the lucrative potential here. international is more of just saying, hey toto, were not in china anymore.

    note: mods are volunteers, its not like we can magically have one for each language around when needed, so dont be ridiculous. if you want to make a spanish coalition, do it over world chat, its not like that many people come to the forums anyways.

    EDIT: remember, statistics are lies.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • darthpanda16
    darthpanda16 Posts: 9,471 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    While we understand the need for what you ask, at this time, all communications for our games, forums, and emails are required to be in English.

    English is the international language for business, many parts of the Internet, and many video games. Most people on the planet are multilingual, with English being their 2nd or 3rd language.

    So while we'd love to offer support for other languages, we simply can not do it in the foreseeable future.

    There is nothing from preventing you all from having your own forums elsewhere for your own Guild, Clan, Alliance, etc. (which I would do on my own anyways).

    b:victory
    Do you need help learning about patching the game, installing it, changing antivirus/firewall settings, changing network settings, learn how to use a computer, keeping your PC maintained and more?
    Visit our BRAND NEW Knowledge Base & Support Website! - Tech Support Flowchart - Panda Caught on Camera
  • Favu - Heavens Tear
    Favu - Heavens Tear Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Trying organize guild unions works half-assed at best in ANY language if you have to do it via World Chat, chat room in-game, in guild chat, in whisper... You all know that as well as I do. Character limit, everyone just starts talking at once, etc etc. And it's a UNION. The only website that everyone belongs to and has access to is.... the Perfect World International one.

    We should have a right to be able to discuss things over like intelligent human beings, which is what we are trying very hard to do, but alas, our threads get closed after three posts and we can't get anything done. I know you won't do anything to fix it. But I'm calling you out because this is bull****. :\
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    heaven's tear ~ 100 cleric / 97 veno / 91 barb ~ soy lider de la faccion venganza
  • Xeian - Dreamweaver
    Xeian - Dreamweaver Posts: 720 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    darthpanda16 wrote: »
    While we understand the need for what you ask, at this time, all communications for our games, forums, and emails are required to be in English.

    English is the international language for business, many parts of the Internet, and many video games. Most people on the planet are multilingual, with English being their 2nd or 3rd language.

    So while we'd love to offer support for other languages, we simply can not do it in the foreseeable future.

    There is nothing from preventing you all from having your own forums elsewhere for your own Guild, Clan, Alliance, etc. (which I would do on my own anyways).

    b:victory
    so it has nothing to do with being a game huh? why is that not factored in in any way shape or form? there SHOULD be an international, non-english section for this, why isn't there one? understaffed?

    and sure, even Shattered and Calamity and Equanox have their own forums, many of us met in-game, true, but if we were looking to EXPAND our guild, wouldn't we advertise here? why is it prejudiced against non-english speakers? (native english-speaking member myself so nothing for ME to gain from this)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Tatuaje - Lost City
    Tatuaje - Lost City Posts: 2,780 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    When you joined this game you agreed to their rules.

    What gives you the right to demand change?? Think about others wants on top of yours. If you get your way why can't everyone else get theirs.
    tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
    frankieraye:All right, I admit it, it's a bit retro. lol.
  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Xeian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    so it has nothing to do with being a game huh? why is that not factored in in any way shape or form? there SHOULD be an international, non-english section for this, why isn't there one? understaffed?

    The problem is that in order to have an "any language" section, they would need someone who could speak any language that was used there, not just Spanish. And I very much doubt we are going to see a section specifically for Spanish speakers, since everyone else who uses a language other than english would then rise up in anarchy.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    The family is a haven in a heartless world.
    Once a Guardian, Always a Guardian. Element: Fire.
  • Xeian - Dreamweaver
    Xeian - Dreamweaver Posts: 720 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    so write a desclaimer? seen it like that elsewhere, let the members mod themselves?

    and I said nothing about Spanish, did I?

    "there SHOULD be an international, non-english section"

    that's right, I said non-english, not just spanish
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Xeian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    so write a desclaimer? seen it like that elsewhere, let the members mod themselves?

    It scares me to death to even imagine this forum in a scenario where players mod themselves. No matter what language it's in.
    and I said nothing about Spanish, did I?

    "there SHOULD be an international, non-english section"

    that's right, I said non-english, not just spanish

    And I already gave you the reason it's not going to happen.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    The family is a haven in a heartless world.
    Once a Guardian, Always a Guardian. Element: Fire.
  • Tatuaje - Lost City
    Tatuaje - Lost City Posts: 2,780 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    When I lived in Mexico when I was younger I did not demand that the government and their country speak english to me.

    I learned their required language so I would be able to function within their country.

    Pretty much the same thing here. This is gonna get hot pretty soon.
    tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
    frankieraye:All right, I admit it, it's a bit retro. lol.
  • IDaun - Dreamweaver
    IDaun - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    -Letting the members mod themselves is a BAD IDEA. >> Look at what happens when the mods aren't around on the forums already. Plus, if no one can understand what's going on, how would mods/GMs stop disputes and breaks in the ToS?

    -There is NOTHING stopping you from signing up for a free forum from one of the many forum providers out there. I have one myself (even though it's dead). There's nothing stopping you from that. And everyone can have access to a certain website, can they not? What's the difference between the forums here and another set of forums somewhere else?

    -darthpanda already said it's required for everything to be in English.

    -I have nothing against a forum like that, just, there's nothing special about Spanish. If a forum for people that speak Spanish is made, then all the others want their own forums, and so on.

    -- Also, the servers are hosted in America. Dunno if that matters, but, I've had someone try to use "PWI isn't hosted in America" as a 'point' against English being the dominant language in PWI and the forums--
    [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=7660692001&dateline=1259283228[/SIGPIC]
  • Xeian - Dreamweaver
    Xeian - Dreamweaver Posts: 720 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I know for a fact there's more than just americans on PWI, know there's someone from Poland here, Russia, France, Spain, etc. this game is advertised to be "international" so there are MANY peopel from all over hoping for that the case. and it's not hard to find mods and apply them to only one section. mod problem solved.
    -There is NOTHING stopping you from signing up for a free forum from one of the many forum providers out there. I have one myself (even though it's dead). There's nothing stopping you from that. And everyone can have access to a certain website, can they not? What's the difference between the forums here and another set of forums somewhere else?

    and how do you suppsed they're gonna get the word out about their forum and faction?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • IDaun - Dreamweaver
    IDaun - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Xeian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I know for a fact there's more than just americans on PWI, know there's someone from Poland here, Russia, France, Spain, etc. this game is advertised to be "international" so there are MANY peopel from all over hoping for that the case. and it's not hard to find mods and apply them to only one section. mod problem solved.

    If you make an all language section, you think it's /easy/ to find someone for EVERY language? Ummm... yeah, if you want to give newbies and normal players mod status over a board... that's even worse. Mods are people that you can TRUST. You can't find a trustworthy person for EVERY language that you'd give mod status over the boards to.
    and how do you suppsed they're gonna get the word out about their forum and faction?

    World chat the website. Recruit and give people the website when they join. A lot more people see world chat than read these forums. Would you go to these forums if you wanted to recruit more people, or would you world chat it? I sure as hell would choose the latter.
    [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=7660692001&dateline=1259283228[/SIGPIC]
  • Xeian - Dreamweaver
    Xeian - Dreamweaver Posts: 720 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    IDaun - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If you make an all language section, you think it's /easy/ to find someone for EVERY language? Ummm... yeah, if you want to give newbies and normal players mod status over a board... that's even worse. Mods are people that you can TRUST. You can't find a trustworthy person for EVERY language that you'd give mod status over the boards to.
    as I said before, to apply them to one section only is not hard.

    I'd bank on this being a Vbulletin board..
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • IDaun - Dreamweaver
    IDaun - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Xeian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    as I said before, to apply them to one section only is not hard

    Btw, I edited my above post.

    And you still don't get my point. You CAN NOT find someone from each language that you would trust enough to give mod over ANYTHING. We'd have major QQ about power abuse, about missing mods, about people that can't get on enough, not do their job right...

    So you want a all language section... but you're okay with it being overrun by trolls and newbie mods and untrustworthy mods?
    [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=7660692001&dateline=1259283228[/SIGPIC]
  • Xeian - Dreamweaver
    Xeian - Dreamweaver Posts: 720 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    "use at your own risk?"
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Austin_Power - Heavens Tear
    Austin_Power - Heavens Tear Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    What? People monitoring themselves?

    What are you smoking and where can I get some?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Tilt your head to the left. Shat bricks.
  • Tatuaje - Lost City
    Tatuaje - Lost City Posts: 2,780 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Why would PWI want to support something that is not controlled by their own people.

    When you go somewhere, do not expect them to mold to your wants. You need to learn to mold to their ways.

    Pretty simple.
    tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
    frankieraye:All right, I admit it, it's a bit retro. lol.
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »
    Why would PWI want to support something that is not controlled by their own people.

    When you go somewhere, do not expect them to mold to your wants. You need to learn to mold to their ways.

    Pretty simple.
    tell that to the tards who still call TT holy hall, etc.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • Xeian - Dreamweaver
    Xeian - Dreamweaver Posts: 720 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    tell that to the tards who still call TT holy hall, etc.
    I know plenty of peaoile who say HH. and what's with FB? where did that come from, everyone says it


    (edit for typo)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • IDaun - Dreamweaver
    IDaun - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Xeian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I know plenty of beaoile who say HH. and what's with FB? where did that come from, everyone says it

    Fu Ben or something that sounds like that. Chinese for dungeon, if I'm not mistaken.

    Edit: I really don't think PWI would want to host something that they have to apply a 'use at your own risk' label to. I still think it's easy enough to advertise your website in world chat. >> And I find our levels funny. ><"
    [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=7660692001&dateline=1259283228[/SIGPIC]
  • Xeian - Dreamweaver
    Xeian - Dreamweaver Posts: 720 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    IDaun - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Fu Ben or something that sounds like that. Chinese for dungeon, if I'm not mistaken.
    so far from american-molded
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    FB = fuben from the china version, in which we're a direct copy of. thats different. my is a licensed franchise with dumb people making translations and butchering the game :V
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • Xeian - Dreamweaver
    Xeian - Dreamweaver Posts: 720 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    FB = fuben from the china version, in which we're a direct copy of. thats different. my is a licensed franchise with dumb people making translations and butchering the game :V
    idk, they're starting to kill it here too
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • darthpanda16
    darthpanda16 Posts: 9,471 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    None of us here at PWE call any instances FB, we actually call them by their localized names.

    The other versions players who started playing PWI started calling them that here on the forums, much to our dismay.


    Please keep in mind our terms of service here:     http://www.perfectworld.com/about/terms

    and forum rules here: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=63291
    Do you need help learning about patching the game, installing it, changing antivirus/firewall settings, changing network settings, learn how to use a computer, keeping your PC maintained and more?
    Visit our BRAND NEW Knowledge Base & Support Website! - Tech Support Flowchart - Panda Caught on Camera
  • Hakiii - Heavens Tear
    Hakiii - Heavens Tear Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »
    When I lived in Mexico when I was younger I did not demand that the government and their country speak english to me.

    I learned their required language so I would be able to function within their country.

    Pretty much the same thing here. This is gonna get hot pretty soon.
    This.

    Well I didn't live in Mexico, but the concept presented...
    But I did travel to Mexico, and even back when I was only eight I tried to learn as much Spanish as I could before I left. I wasn't going to walk in there speaking English and expecting anybody to pay attention to me.

    I also don't see the point of a specific language board if you already speak English. Perhaps for people that don't speak any English...but other than that.
    I played a game that had language specific forums for Italian, French, German, Spanish, and something else I forgot. It was riddled with spam, trolls using Google translator, and un-answered questions. Because the mods hired never did their job and showed up like once a month.
    tl;dr:
    No.
    [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=5767504001&dateline=1274066987[/SIGPIC]
  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I've played a few international games, every single one of them that has a forum has a language requirement for that forum. If I'm playing on a German or French or Spanish or Portuguese server, all posts must be in that forum's language. I don't see why it's any trouble at all.

    If you want to post in your mother tongue create a forum with the intention of doing so.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Lvl10XBarb
    Lvl10XArcher
    lvl10XAssassin
  • Boozin - Sanctuary
    Boozin - Sanctuary Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    darthpanda16 wrote: »

    English is the international language for business, many parts of the Internet, and many video games. Most people on the planet are multilingual, with English being their 2nd or 3rd language.

    I think that sums it all up.... I am sure the PWI staff want the game to appeal to as many different people as it can, but for the sake of simplicity, ease of communication and to keeping the general appeal as broad as possible, using the international language of business only makes sense....

    Ya can't please all the people all the time so yo gotta please as many as ya can as often as ya can as simply as ya can.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    darthpanda16 wrote: »
    None of us here at PWE call any instances FB, we actually call them by their localized names.

    The other versions players who started playing PWI started calling them that here on the forums, much to our dismay.


    Please keep in mind our terms of service here:     http://www.perfectworld.com/about/terms

    and forum rules here: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=63291

    b:shocked
    b:cry
    we make panda sad~~~
    b:surrender

    well should we start calling them I29/I39/I49-51/I69 etc etc?
    o.O
    instance [level]?
    xD
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
    Hawk:Do this. closing thread
    frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
    Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
    Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
    58% chance to get tokens
    41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
    1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
This discussion has been closed.

Categories