Some questions

Mantas - Sanctuary

Hello,
I have a lvl82 BM and after TideBorn expansion bms will become totaly uselless so i decided to make a barb char. I have read all guides in barb section but i still have some questions.
Everyone is telling that i need lvlup flesh realm. But flesh realm only works in tiger mode and when i did tt70,tt80 or some other bosses i never saw any barb tanking in tiger mode. So, then how barb holds aggro?
Alacrity skill is also in tiger mode skill set. Again, barbs, tanking bosses with mag AoE or smth, somehow cancel theyre skills. So, after i lvl these skills (flesh realm and alacrity) i can use them not only in tiger mode, right?

Aadi - Lost City

Mantas - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hello,
I have a lvl82 BM and after TideBorn expansion bms will become totaly uselless so i decided to make a barb char. I have read all guides in barb section but i still have some questions.
Everyone is telling that i need lvlup flesh realm. But flesh realm only works in tiger mode and when i did tt70,tt80 or some other bosses i never saw any barb tanking in tiger mode. So, then how barb holds aggro?
Alacrity skill is also in tiger mode skill set. Again, barbs, tanking bosses with mag AoE or smth, somehow cancel theyre skills. So, after i lvl these skills (flesh realm and alacrity) i can use them not only in tiger mode, right?

Usually barbs tank in tiger form. b:shocked They're always only available in tiger form, but it's actually not common to see a human form barb tanking.

GohRaL - Sanctuary

Mantas - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hello,
I have a lvl82 BM and after TideBorn expansion bms will become totaly uselless so i decided to make a barb char. I have read all guides in barb section but i still have some questions.
Everyone is telling that i need lvlup flesh realm. But flesh realm only works in tiger mode and when i did tt70,tt80 or some other bosses i never saw any barb tanking in tiger mode. So, then how barb holds aggro?
Alacrity skill is also in tiger mode skill set. Again, barbs, tanking bosses with mag AoE or smth, somehow cancel theyre skills. So, after i lvl these skills (flesh realm and alacrity) i can use them not only in tiger mode, right?

b:shocked
who did u squad with ?

i mean, if ur squad managed to get through the TT, fine...
but when u've NEVER SEEN TIGER BARB TANKING

I DO ALWAYS SEE THEM...im one of those b:chuckleb:thanks


tank is in tiger for these reason:

true form (being in tiger) gives u more HP
FLESH REAM (the aggro skill) is for tiger
shapeshifting intensifity (passive tiger skill) gives u %increased p.def
alacrity (the cancel skill) is again just for tiger
ROAR (aoe aggro skill) is tiger's
invoke (turtle-tiger) is the ultimate tank buff (-90% dmg)



btw
the skill are restricted to the form (to check skill http://ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php)

FLESH REAM and ALACRITY are USABLE JUST IN TIGER FORM


there are 2 trees,

one for human (left side)
one for tiger (right side)

if a skill comes from a tree (lets say human) and is connected by an arrow, then that next skill will be human too...

if the next skill isnt connected then even if it is in the right side it can be human (Untamed Wrath)

CornHilario - Heavens Tear

Mantas - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hello,
I have a lvl82 BM and after TideBorn expansion bms will become totaly uselless so i decided to make a barb char.

can u plz explain why bms would become useless after the expanion? if you mean the assassin class, i can assure you that they are NOT by any means a "bm upgrade."

-bms have a tanky side
-bms can work with many weapons for different situations

more importantly...
BMS CAN AOE KEEEEEEEEEEL >8O... (awesome.)

DraykeHeart - Heavens Tear

Key Points
-Flesh Ream and Accalarity of the Beast can be used in TIGER FORM ONLY.
-Tiger form is used "most of the time" primarily for the aggro grab skill, Flesh Ream
-Leveling up Flesh Ream will increase its aggro priority level, meaning the higher its
level, the easier you can grab aggro

Now as for your story on a barb tanking tt70/80 in human form and not losing aggro, there are a few factors and flaws I can see.
At first thought, I'm assuming that
a) The barb was a MUCH higher lvl than the rest of the squad
b) You had little or no DD's (If there were DD's, they were not dealing more damage than the tank, which is really quite.... bad O.o )
c) You probably did not finish the entire TT, (or maybe Supa Veno Herc team did for you)

My simple point is, If you are indeed rerolling as a Barbarian, please do level up your Tiger Skills if you ever plan to play the class as it was meant to be, a Tank. Yes you do have a humanoid aggro skill (Penetrate Armor), but it pales in comparison the power of the simple yet awesome effect of Flesh Ream.

Im not saying tanking in humanoid form is impossible, im stating the well known fact that tanking in tiger form is better.

Dynaskid_MM - Dreamweaver

Mantas - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hello,
I have a lvl82 BM and after TideBorn expansion bms will become totaly uselless so i decided to make a barb char. I have read all guides in barb section but i still have some questions.
Everyone is telling that i need lvlup flesh realm. But flesh realm only works in tiger mode and when i did tt70,tt80 or some other bosses i never saw any barb tanking in tiger mode. So, then how barb holds aggro?
Alacrity skill is also in tiger mode skill set. Again, barbs, tanking bosses with mag AoE or smth, somehow cancel theyre skills. So, after i lvl these skills (flesh realm and alacrity) i can use them not only in tiger mode, right?

hows a bm ganna be useless after the expansion? i mean they aoe in RB and they kick ****!!! and uve never seen a barb tank in tiger form O.o cus i see em all the time....

Joshcja - Sanctuary

assasin *sneak sneak sneak with cloak on

bm...oh a floating red name

bm *walks to mob waits for assasin to enter 10 meters

bm *creates wall o death

assasin Q.Q

just how i see assasin vs bm playing out also unless they can backup tank deal damage like fists aoe and have stuns and redunculous 2 spark debuffs i fail to see them taking our job

Mantas - Sanctuary

CornHilario - Heavens Tear wrote: »

can u plz explain why bms would become useless after the expanion? if you mean the assassin class, i can assure you that they are NOT by any means a "bm upgrade."

Of course, all i know about this assassin class is all from other mmorpgs. And all assassins have high damage, high evasion, low defence. So i assume assassin will be dex based char just like archer only melee. So i can think only two possibilities:
a)assassins can be fail party wise. If they will have same aggro system like every1 else, they will kill themselfs with a lots of crits and dps against bosses taking aggro or AoE. So they will be 1 totally soloable class without possibility be useful in parties.
b)assasins will (should) have highest dps. If aggro system will threat with them not like every1 else, they will be invaluable in parties pushing away BMs.

Dynaskid_MM - Dreamweaver wrote: »

and uve never seen a barb tank in tiger form O.o cus i see em all the time....

Well, tbh, i never put much attention how barb handle a boss b:sad so...

Yeah, i know that bm is a jack-of-all-trades, and assassin will never replace his AoEs and usefullness in RB or assassins will never be second tanks. But we have only 6 slots in party, so i need to worry and be suspicious about assassins
I saw a post in a general discussion, where some1 told, that so far we dont know anything about assassins skills, so its better wait and c

BTW, ty vm guys for your barb info and valuable tips b:victoryb:laugh

So far im only lvl22 barb, mp is a biggest problem, cannot fly, miss like a hell (i have dex based bm so its kinda weird to miss so much )..all newbie problems I've heard that barbs have a some heal skill too..is this true?

Basingeth - Lost City

Barbs only skill that heals is sunder, one of your two spark moves. The only other heals you can get are from charms, genie's, etc.