Venomancer Stats

Brael - Dreamweaver

The last time I saw it happen to me in PvE was when I was level 53. Considering my average number of deaths per level is 15 (that I goto town for, not counting squad ones) since I'm fairly reckless and enjoy doing stupid things just to see if I can survive them. With a 1% chance there's a 99.82% chance that I would have had something drop by now. That's pretty solid odds in favor of blue names not dropping items in PvE.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

Sage IW is matched/outdone by Clerics and Barbarians, demon isn't. The average on demon is lower but the potential return is far greater as long as the squad works together. There's also the multiplicative effect of IW/Amp/Poison which is far more powerful on demon than on sage. There's also nothing broken about it, a 20% proc chance means it's going to fire about 1.15 times a minute (about 10 seconds a minute under a break). Sage is certainly more consistent, but if your squad is working together sage doesn't actually bring a benefit to the squads damage output.

yes, and a barb and cleric tanking a powerful boss really have the time to break defense everytime it wears off, in between their flesh reams and IH, right?

ask any demon, its fairly broken and rarely goes off. i partied one the other day in OHT for blackhole devourer, it didnt go off once in the 10 or so minutes we killed it in. like i said, the seal on thundershock for demon archers is similar, its very unreliable and rarely happens, thus making it not a very good skill

Demon has a better amp by .9976% more damage for the squad. Effectively, 1% more squad damage dealt.

you proved my point, the difference is so minute it doesnt even matter.

Why wouldn't you slow? If I could slow, I would start every normal mob with it in FB's whenever amp is up. Granted, that one is of more limited use in a squad, but I didn't say all support was amazing or equally beneficial.

from what ive noticed, slow doesnt work on every single monster in FBs/TT. (note i have access to a slowing, knockback, and a stun move.) having frost arrow as my tester, some mobs tend to resist it, just like some resist knockbacks also.

though, theres one status that always works, and thats stun. and you said sage wins in that category.

Soul Degeneration isn't support, it's for damage. SD doesn't help anyone else in the squad be more effective, it simply cuts your kill time down, just like dealing damage does. It's a very nice skill, and I don't think it would be possible for me to overhype it, but it's not a support ability.

any skill that aids in making the battle faster is support to me, this is just labeling it under a difference of opinion. you may not believe it is, but i believe both it, and STA are.

Leech isn't support, unless you want to argue somehow that keeping yourself alive better is supporting the squad. To me support means either helping others to deal more damage or take less damage. Leech does neither of those. For that matter, neither does sprint.

Wood mastery again, is more personal damage not support.

i brought leech up for survivability, as its been my defense for some of the other moves. being self sufficient lets mr. cleric do his job easier. IE, support .

wood mastery, more DD power, support in killing the boss faster.

Brael - Dreamweaver

Which again, goes back to dealing damage and using your own argument you said, a venomancers role is support, if you want to deal damage go roll a wizard.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=5510102&postcount=19

There's the post. Yet now you're arguing that the purpose of a veno is to deal damage, so why would you recommend a build that isn't designed to maximize damage output?

As far as a Barb/Cleric debuffing, if they can't do it... use pierce. It has significantly more value for a demon. A 36% debuff 80% of the time and a 100% debuff 20% of the time results in an average of 48.8% debuff while sage ends up at a constant 40%. Pierce for a demon actually makes a pretty good pet skill for a DD pet. It's less aggro than a bash type skill, and would bring a squad more damage than a bash skill would.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

There's the post. Yet now you're arguing that the purpose of a veno is to deal damage, so why would you recommend a build that isn't designed to maximize damage output?

thats jumping to conclusions, im not arguing it, just making the point, youre not going to sit there and do nothing while your pet attacks a boss.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

lol..tweakz..get help..

Foxymage - Harshlands

i do 9 mage 1 str every 2 levels. i never die well i guess i havent faced mobs that can kill me yet so oh well and i don't think you need to put pts into vit or dex.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

At a low level yes you should be high magic build
But at a later level, if you choose to PvP you'll either need VERY good and refined gear, or put some points into Vitality, otherwise you won't be able to do anything. If you choose to stay PvE like some level 90+ then you should stay at a pure magic build.

Foxymage - Harshlands

harslands=pk sever i will pvp and i will stay arcane buil and i will never add a point to vit and i will still own all b:laugh

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

lol, didn't look at which server you were in ^^. Not sure how stuff works over there so can't comment :P

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

Foxymage - Harshlands wrote: »

harslands=pk sever i will pvp and i will stay arcane buil and i will never add a point to vit and i will still own all b:laugh

yeah, watch when you get a few more levels, archers will **** your face.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Foxymage - Harshlands wrote: »

harslands=pk sever i will pvp and i will stay arcane buil and i will never add a point to vit and i will still own all b:laugh

*hangs sighn around nec that reads "one shot me...PLEASE"

bm uses farstrike atamos drakes bash or myriad *dead

archer sparks suto fires *dead

barb armas *dead and youll probobly die irl from the shock

cleric sparks razor feathers and plume shot *dead

wizzie....BT *dead

pure arcane is a PvE build a very good one at that but you will die on a pvp server you will die many many times in many creative ways

kenlee

Foxymage - Harshlands wrote: »

harslands=pk sever i will pvp and i will stay arcane buil and i will never add a point to vit and i will still own all b:laugh

its really hard to survive on HL with your build even if you never pve
there are lots of players who pk others or lower lvl players so watch your back and consider your build again

Reikara - Heavens Tear

Seems people can't ask a geniune question without us hijacking the thread arguing which build is best these days lol.