Demon Spark for Archers Negated by Clerics RB

Kurses - Harshlands
Kurses - Harshlands Posts: 9 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Archer
I was doing a FC run the other day and we were at the 2nd boss (Diabolic Enfant) and as normal the cleric puts up her RB to increase our atk rate. Now I thought it would be extremely beneficial if I used my demon spark to get an even faster atk rate + my 500% dmg bonus. However, while under the effects of the clerics RB, I did not get my atk speed or my dmg bonus from the Demon spark (which actually gives a faster atk rate than the RB). What is up with that?
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    "Attack Rate Increase by %" do not stack (as far as we know).

    The Red Ball is a constant buff that refreshes every 0.05 seconds. Thus, you *do* get your increase from Spark for a very very very short time window, and the Red Ball buff overwrites it immediately.

    Demon Quickshot becomes useless with RB, but spark is still valuable for the extra damage.

    You can go back to AFK attacking with this Macro:
    Loop -> Normal Attack -> Triple Spark

    That's assuming you do not have Demon STA / Demon Stunning Arrow.
  • Illyana - Dreamweaver
    Illyana - Dreamweaver Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Yes. Sage Celestial Spark % reduction gets overwritten by BB as well.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Yep. If you intend to demon spark while RB is up, your best bet is to walk out of range, then spark, and go back into range once the spark wears off.
  • Ussichu - Sanctuary
    Ussichu - Sanctuary Posts: 429 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Same thing happens in rebirth with auras, though you keep the attack speed boost.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    happens to both spark (all 3 single,double, triple sparks) and essential sutra of wizzies too.
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    still me like how RB makes everything better, stronger, faster.
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  • Cervantia - Sanctuary
    Cervantia - Sanctuary Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    still me like how RB makes everything better, stronger, faster.

    Yes especially when you are the only cleric in squad:
    Your fellow players die much faster, their hate against you grows stronger by the minute, and you better run faaaaar away after leaving the team alone on the floor.

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  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Cervantia - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes especially when you are the only cleric in squad:
    Your fellow players die much faster, their hate against you grows stronger by the minute, and you better run faaaaar away after leaving the team alone on the floor.

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  • Shao_on_Fire - Heavens Tear
    Shao_on_Fire - Heavens Tear Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Because of the stats on RB and how the skill functions, basically, any +%dmg skill gets negated. This includes Barrage, Spark, etc. Another archer and I have been testing this recently when we noticed it in a TT run. So far, every skill that has a % based attack increase will be overwritten by RB.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Shao_on_Fire - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Because of the stats on RB and how the skill functions, basically, any +%dmg skill gets negated. This includes Barrage, Spark, etc. Another archer and I have been testing this recently when we noticed it in a TT run. So far, every skill that has a % based attack increase will be overwritten by RB.

    These three stack. The appear as 3 separate icons (same/similar art) on the buff icon list.
    - Damage Increase from Barbarian buff.
    - Damage Increase from Spark.
    - Damage Increase from Gloom proc.

    You are saying RB erases all 3 of these? Or just the Spark one?
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I know it can't override the barb buff because the barb buff is a separate buff than the spark buff. both have the same icon, but when you spark with the barb buff on you don't override it, you get a second sharpen icon in your status bar. as far as i know, RB overrides demon spark's sharpen and quicken, but the barb buff remains. never had gloom so i don't know.
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I know it can't override the barb buff because the barb buff is a separate buff than the spark buff. both have the same icon, but when you spark with the barb buff on you don't override it, you get a second sharpen icon in your status bar. as far as i know, RB overrides demon spark's sharpen and quicken, but the barb buff remains. never had gloom so i don't know.

    I know increased physical attack proc (Revenge, Bless) stacks with both the barb buff, and the spark buff. And that one has the same icon and name as one of the others. So I would assume gloom adds too, would be strange for one of the same buff types to work different than 3 others.

    EDIT: bah, shows me not to post off the most recent post. But seeing as how spark, barb buff, and weapon procs stack fine, it seems strange RB aura would only over-write some and not others. May have to use actual test instead of the old icon + name that is usually done to make certain.
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    i believe blue bubble overwrites sage spark's defensive boost and red bubble overwrites demon spark's speed boost. I imagine they though that we would be overpowered if they stacked.

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