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Rainesierr - Lost City
Rainesierr - Lost City Posts: 59 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Wizard
a few things before we begin. yes, i am currently an LA wiz. no i dont know what im doing 90+. i might restat i might not. but i was looking at pwcalc and found some interesting things. i dont know what the "best armor" is for either LA or AA. so i used HH99 swords on both builds, each +10 with g9 mag atk shards. I used the HH99 gold set of armor. The LA mage has arcane belt and necklace, and all armor is sharded with 2 g8 hp shards. The AA mage has Pdef belt and necklace, and all armor is sharded with 2 g8 pdef shards. everything but the weapon is +8 on both builds.

the only differences seem to be:
-AA has about 2000 more mag atk
-LA has almost twice the crit rate of AA
-Percent reduction on both pdef and mdef are about 4% higher on AA
-LA has 1000 more hp
-AA has 4000 more mp (with wellspring)
-my AA build has -27% chan, where LA has only -18%
-both have -4% physical damage taken.

i would appreciate any corrections by other 9x and 10x wiz, cause i seriously dont know what im doing-but i want to ask-which build do you think is better and why?



builds used:
Pure Mag- http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=70e772ce47973d62
Light Armor- http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=bddd5a65a087e75d
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    That's a good idea, but really you need to judge it off the best gear available for both. I made a sample for arcane (have no idea about LA) and used about the same stuff as you did, like 2socket g8 gems (which doesn't make sense b/c you can afford +8 gears.. but w/e). You already showed this dream character having rank 8 (the ring) so I used that for other parts of the armor as well.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=25f5a1e526a11799



    edit: Also keep in mind with the reductions that when you say extra 4%.. you need a context. For instance, if you had 0% reduction, and you got an extra 4%.. that'd be 4% less damage taken. If you were to have 92% reduction, getting that extra 4% would put you at 96% reduction, therefore halfing the damage you would take.

    As for which build is better, arcane is easily better when you are able to invest in your gear. Most people start investing in their gear around 9x... so thats when most people restat arcane. With good arcane gear, you end up getting more survivability (higher mres and pdef with very close hp) along with quite a bit more damage, in exchange for usually ~4-5% more crit for LA equivalent. The answer as to which is better is pretty black and white imo.
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  • TehMage - Lost City
    TehMage - Lost City Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    a few things before we begin. yes, i am currently an LA wiz. no i dont know what im doing 90+. i might restat i might not. but i was looking at pwcalc and found some interesting things. i dont know what the "best armor" is for either LA or AA. so i used HH99 swords on both builds, each +10 with g9 mag atk shards. I used the HH99 gold set of armor. The LA mage has arcane belt and necklace, and all armor is sharded with 2 g8 hp shards. The AA mage has Pdef belt and necklace, and all armor is sharded with 2 g8 pdef shards. everything but the weapon is +8 on both builds.

    the only differences seem to be:
    -AA has about 2000 more mag atk
    -LA has almost twice the crit rate of AA
    -Percent reduction on both pdef and mdef are about 4% higher on AA
    -LA has 1000 more hp
    -AA has 4000 more mp (with wellspring)
    -my AA build has -27% chan, where LA has only -18%
    -both have -4% physical damage taken.

    i would appreciate any corrections by other 9x and 10x wiz, cause i seriously dont know what im doing-but i want to ask-which build do you think is better and why?



    builds used:
    Pure Mag- http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=70e772ce47973d62
    Light Armor- http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=bddd5a65a087e75d

    If you want to base your decision as to what build you will be or have at that point, i'm pretty sure it's like Adroit already said, black and white.

    AA would be the better bet out of those 2 builds (even though they both seem pretty unrealistic). The better defense on both ends, and your magic attack is significantly higher.
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    a few things before we begin. yes, i am currently an LA wiz. no i dont know what im doing 90+. i might restat i might not. but i was looking at pwcalc and found some interesting things. i dont know what the "best armor" is for either LA or AA. so i used HH99 swords on both builds, each +10 with g9 mag atk shards. I used the HH99 gold set of armor. The LA mage has arcane belt and necklace, and all armor is sharded with 2 g8 hp shards. The AA mage has Pdef belt and necklace, and all armor is sharded with 2 g8 pdef shards. everything but the weapon is +8 on both builds.

    the only differences seem to be:
    -AA has about 2000 more mag atk
    -LA has almost twice the crit rate of AA
    -Percent reduction on both pdef and mdef are about 4% higher on AA
    -LA has 1000 more hp
    -AA has 4000 more mp (with wellspring)
    -my AA build has -27% chan, where LA has only -18%
    -both have -4% physical damage taken.

    i would appreciate any corrections by other 9x and 10x wiz, cause i seriously dont know what im doing-but i want to ask-which build do you think is better and why?



    builds used:
    Pure Mag- http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=70e772ce47973d62
    Light Armor- http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=bddd5a65a087e75d

    there is absolutely no reason to go LA after 90. NONE. NADA.
    With the use of lunar rings starting at 95, pdef cape and either a Frost or a Lunar weapon a AA wizard will have similar HP and more damage, PDef and Mdef than LA.
    LA is the best possible option right now, with the high gold prices. Cheap molds with good stats are a blessing. Save for the 90s, when it matters.

    Let's put this discussion to rest forever, because LA vs AA after 90s has the same point as discussing wether you should or should not max your gush.

    take a look at my post here
    LA and AA comparison
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I stopped looking when I noticed the weapons... different and BOTH have better alternatives. This comparison is horribly stupid. Thread starter is an idiot.
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  • Rainesierr - Lost City
    Rainesierr - Lost City Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    ok well, thanks to everyone but kristoph. and especially adroit, i hadnt thought of the 0-4 vs 92-96 part. yes everything is ridiculously overrefined, lol. and no kristoph, i dont know what weapon is best for a lvl 99, maybe thats because im only lvl 78. sorry if you think that not being 9x automatically makes me an idiot. at least im trying to figure it out. i already said i didnt know what i was talking about with 90+, so offer something actually useful or gtfo and flame someone else.

    it also might be good to note the fact that i posted at 1 am, not exactly most people's best time for thinking. and hey it was rather fun to just mess around with pwcalc.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Haiz - Lost City
    Haiz - Lost City Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I got 14% crit as a pure int, so I mean unless light armor builds can boast 25%+, I wouldn't say they have much of an advantage there. I crit enough to make people think I have points in dex or I am LA.
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    nvm........
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited November 2009
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