Email Lost in Space AND time , Major case of Amnesia, or Reality jus got WarpT
balackor
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What if you Got hit on the head, you no longer Know who you are or what your email is, or who you are, all you know is who you are, but you don't know that you know.. and your email that everyone else thinks exists, does not even exist, and you have a different Email , but you are still the same you that signed up for this perfect world account , back when it was a different reality , and that Email, that Doesn't exist Did in fact exist, but it Doesn't exist anymore.. anyways you have a Different Email then the one that you use to start this game, but YOU are still you, or at least you think you are you.. **pinches self** but now you got passwords on things you don't remember making passwords on and you cant get access into them like everyone else who has remembered their passwords.. now your email has been changed, not to protect you, but to harm you?? look at all this harm it has done you you , OUCH OMG! I cannot buy and sell gold or ZEN for this worth much less psuedo gold because I dont have access to this what is apparently an account within an account with a password , all of which I never made.. and now I am locked out, darn! not such a big deal?? you really think so?? well now I have to buy gold or zen with real money, while you get to play the game, and keep your money, and turn play money into real money, whil I gotta go out and work in the much harsher real world and make real money to buy play money , and only one way?? do you think that is fair and balanced?? I started this account in august 2 2009 , and I have been locked out of the fake gold / faker gold and zen trade for ever since almost and I am tired of it.. I deserve all the same access as everyone else.. just because I went through a wormhole and my email address has been changed to harm the me.. and a password was put on the .. nameless thing to also harm the .. drum roll please Me.. why does the universe want to harm me so?? I did nothing SPECIFIC to deserve this, do not play to much into this , all it is is a cooperation refusing to look into their own mess and re - refusing to clean up, err uhm correct their mistake... also that nice little "security feature" where they have a preset question that Only you could know the answer two you know question, and answer , security question, Bah! it does not make anything more secure, in fact it is bogus.. you all want a little comfy blankie so you can feel safe and secure?? then start out with a secure password and then after that just leave it at that , don't weaken it with some questionable security question and answer of questionable security,
I know you say how are you going to verify that this is that and this person is the right person and blah blah blah... well certainly not by some "security verification Question" !! I mean, what if the say even forgot the question, people lose memory at all ages and for all varying reasons . we cannot just automatically be jumping to conclusions, we need to utilise something more
all encompassing.. and through tight social networks of people who know the people , through the people one knows, they can be identified, by their actions, their personality, their affect and effect, on all 126 dimensions of their personality.. that is hard to fake really.. but memorizing simple phrases and answers to simple phrases?? heck we got computers that can blaze through all that in 15 seconds well to heck with that uber secure password, No it tis WORTHLESS!! and now I am pointing that out to you, people and staff of perfect world, so what are you going to do about it??
because this is where the bad guy wins, and the legitimate user gets all or partially locked out of things like this game, or like the gold trade and auction.. the bad guy wins, he gloats at the misery of the poor legitimate user that cannot buy or sell gold, because they did not subscribe to the mark system of the beast.... Am I right?? I need an answer, because I am still locked out of the gold trade on perhaps all of my characters on [removed] which is EXACTLY what we all Don't want isn't it?? so can you please fix this and reset my password to something.. don't say what it is.. and then Email it to my NEW email address which is [email][removed][/email] Or if you prefer [email][removed][/email] and please stop Phishing for me Email Address Passwords, I Don't Like it Very Much At All !! and you who You are, know who you are... please stop,also it will not work, so I hope you have noticed that by now and GIVEN UP! Thank you! b:surrender b:chuckle
I know you say how are you going to verify that this is that and this person is the right person and blah blah blah... well certainly not by some "security verification Question" !! I mean, what if the say even forgot the question, people lose memory at all ages and for all varying reasons . we cannot just automatically be jumping to conclusions, we need to utilise something more
all encompassing.. and through tight social networks of people who know the people , through the people one knows, they can be identified, by their actions, their personality, their affect and effect, on all 126 dimensions of their personality.. that is hard to fake really.. but memorizing simple phrases and answers to simple phrases?? heck we got computers that can blaze through all that in 15 seconds well to heck with that uber secure password, No it tis WORTHLESS!! and now I am pointing that out to you, people and staff of perfect world, so what are you going to do about it??
because this is where the bad guy wins, and the legitimate user gets all or partially locked out of things like this game, or like the gold trade and auction.. the bad guy wins, he gloats at the misery of the poor legitimate user that cannot buy or sell gold, because they did not subscribe to the mark system of the beast.... Am I right?? I need an answer, because I am still locked out of the gold trade on perhaps all of my characters on [removed] which is EXACTLY what we all Don't want isn't it?? so can you please fix this and reset my password to something.. don't say what it is.. and then Email it to my NEW email address which is [email][removed][/email] Or if you prefer [email][removed][/email] and please stop Phishing for me Email Address Passwords, I Don't Like it Very Much At All !! and you who You are, know who you are... please stop,also it will not work, so I hope you have noticed that by now and GIVEN UP! Thank you! b:surrender b:chuckle
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Ummm, inb4lock/moved/delete/edit/lower depths/...
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dammit aadi Q_Q
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My old Email which is no longer being used is drgncat@humboldt1.com
in fact that email is Done Gone! dusted!! bye bye , adios! Vaporized! you ever wonder where the twighlight Zone is?? well this is the latest and last edition
of ... Dee dee dee der dee deee dee der .. you are entering, the twilight zone, this Zone and This Email Does not Exist, it never has and never will exist again!!
yes the never ending train of all the perhaps Billions and Billions Of Spam emails, online video game newsletter emails All the lead to one place, that Doesn't Exist!
the EMail in the Twilight zone, last stop (it aint going nowhere from here.)
Last stop: the Email Twilight Zone: http:\\www.popmail .humboldt1.com\drgncat@humboldt1.com Brzzzt! Error Error! does not Compute! Does not Exist!! System Melt Down Imminent!! Self- Destruct IN Tee Minus four Seconds!!...
Yes the Emails , that have found thier only little place in the hall of fame , in the Email Twilight Zone!! ... Mail does Not Exist, Error 40?? Does not Compute..
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INB4LOCK! woohoo!0
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please you are not making any sense I am trying to reach out for help here
if any one sees Soulmatrix , please give here some comforting , and if you also see a Gm, please send a GM over to her right away thanks, cause that is me...
okay and I am locked out of my bank account and I cannot trade any more
because someone got onto my account and put a password on there long ago
and I have no idea who, because they were on this computer without my authorizistion , someone broke into my house you see , and they took everything away.. I am still soo very sad I feel so very violated. like I was ****, and this is how you treat me? thanks A LOT PEOPLE! b:cryb:cryb:cryb:cry0 -
My old Email which is no longer being used is drgncat@humboldt1.com
in fact that email is Done Gone! dusted!! bye bye , adios! Vaporized! you ever wonder where the twighlight Zone is?? well this is the latest and last edition
of ... Dee dee dee der dee deee dee der .. you are entering, the twilight zone, this Zone and This Email Does not Exist, it never has and never will exist again!!
yes the never ending train of all the perhaps Billions and Billions Of Spam emails, online video game newsletter emails All the lead to one place, that Doesn't Exist!
the EMail in the Twilight zone, last stop (it aint going nowhere from here.)
Last stop: the Email Twilight Zone: http:\\www.popmail .humboldt1.com\drgncat@humboldt1.com Brzzzt! Error Error! does not Compute! Does not Exist!! System Melt Down Imminent!! Self- Destruct IN Tee Minus four Seconds!!...
Yes the Emails , that have found thier only little place in the hall of fame , in the Email Twilight Zone!! ... Mail does Not Exist, Error 40?? Does not Compute..
system wide failure is Imminent , please reformat all of your brains, and reboot!
So. I'm going to guess at what you're trying to say.
You aren't using that email anymore? And...you can't remember passwords?
...I think? b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"aadi is a forum ninja, always there, skirting thru the shadows... striking with quick posts while you are distracted by your own" -Alexeno(kin)
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EDIT: below is a picture of aadi...
aadi is a forum ninja, always there, skirting thru the shadows... striking with quick posts while you are distracted by your own
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"Hell hath no fury like Alexeno trying to prove his point" -Mizuoni0 -
what do you mean inb4lockofthecentury??? please explain... was something I said wrong??
well maybe to you it is or was.. but you are no moderator nor representative of the game.. this is clearly a flame!! we need a moderator in this forum!! okay? so lets get one, but someone from perfectworld Staff... and you are not perfect world staff..0 -
what do you mean inb4lockofthecentury??? please explain... was something I said wrong??
well maybe to you it is or was.. but you are no moderator nor representative of the game.. this is clearly a flame!! we need a moderator in this forum!! okay? so lets get one, but someone from perfectworld Staff... and you are not perfect world staff..
normally i would have just put "inb4lock", however that intimidating wall of text you wrote out will make headlines on the front page of the national newspapers when this thread gets locked b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Hell hath no fury like Alexeno trying to prove his point" -Mizuoni0 -
something like that, is that a crime?? if it is you better arrest me then!! , oh wait a minute I allready cannot get into the gold auction part of the game, no need to arrest me and put me in jail then , since I allready more or less allredy am.. do you people just like being mean? do you pride yourselves in it? does it make you feel good?? does it make you feel powerful?0
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Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »inb4lockofthecentury
dammit aadi Q_QAadi - Lost City wrote: »So. I'm going to guess at what you're trying to say.
You aren't using that email anymore? And...you can't remember passwords?
...I think? b:surrenderAlexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »normally i would have just put "inb4lock", however that intimidating wall of text you wrote out will make headlines on the front page of the national newspapers when this thread gets locked b:laugh
oh you think this thread will get locked ? why? you are not sounding very nice when you say that.. why are you so mean?0 -
something like that, is that a crime?? if it is you better arrest me then!! , oh wait a minute I allready cannot get into the gold auction part of the game, no need to arrest me and put me in jail then , since I allready more or less allredy am.. do you people just like being mean? do you pride yourselves in it? does it make you feel good?? does it make you feel powerful?
FEEL THE POWAH!!!
no, but we aren't being mean lol
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"Hell hath no fury like Alexeno trying to prove his point" -Mizuoni0 -
Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »..........
EDIT: below is a picture of aadi...
aadi is a forum ninja, always there, skirting thru the shadows... striking with quick posts while you are distracted by your own
AHAHA I LOVE IT b:heart b:heartsomething like that, is that a crime?? if it is you better arrest me then!! , oh wait a minute I allready cannot get into the gold auction part of the game, no need to arrest me and put me in jail then , since I allready more or less allredy am.. do you people just like being mean? do you pride yourselves in it? does it make you feel good?? does it make you feel powerful?
Well, try to rephrase your first post without all the dramatics and trying to make it very end-of-the-world-sounding. Watch grammar and spelling and separate your paragraphs to make it easier to read. I really am having trouble understanding you b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"aadi is a forum ninja, always there, skirting thru the shadows... striking with quick posts while you are distracted by your own" -Alexeno(kin)
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well , even if this thread does get locked, I would at least like the PW staff, All of them to see this thread, and read it carefully, and pay attention and read between the lines even.. and do something that is going to Make better this game for everyone, for you me and everyone, and at the same time make it more SECURE , because as it stands this game could not even hold water, if this was a ship , it wouldn't Float, it would be Sinking to the bottom of the sea, and I can see by all these responses that, that is Just Exactly what is happening here... b:shockedb:shocked0
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well , even if this thread does get locked, I would at least like the PW staff, All of them to see this thread, and read it carefully, and pay attention and read between the lines even.. and do something that is going to Make better this game for everyone, for you me and everyone, and at the same time make it more SECURE , because as it stands this game could not even hold water, if this was a ship , it wouldn't Float, it would be Sinking to the bottom of the sea, and I can see by all these responses that, that is Just Exactly what is happening here... b:shockedb:shocked
Sigh....I couldn't even understand the point of your first post, it was worse than Sections 1 and 2 of The Sound and the Fury combined.
What exactly were you trying to say?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"aadi is a forum ninja, always there, skirting thru the shadows... striking with quick posts while you are distracted by your own" -Alexeno(kin)
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yeah right ! does everyone have to be so perfect, and besides I have been under a lot of stress revolving around this game and this issue, and the issue of security.. which is clearly lacking in perfect world..0
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eh, i suppose i could help out a wee bit...
submit a ticket about your situation here: LINK
be sure to only submit one ticket, as multiple submissions will push your ticket to the bottom of the list
good luck b:victory
EDIT: double-ninja'd b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Hell hath no fury like Alexeno trying to prove his point" -Mizuoni0 -
well I hope this thread does not get locked before the issue gets resolved, because if that happens... Guess what folks? I am reopening it.. And I will keep reopening this issue until it gets resolved, I may even have to bring in outside authorities...... if that is what it takes then so be it, but I will not be treated unfairly, for whatever reason or should I say complete lack of reason.. I will not be the scapegoat here or anywhere... so you are going to hear about it , until you go or I go.. or we both go, or this issue gets resolved. But UNEQUAL TRETMENT UNDER THE LAW WILL NOT STAND ANYWHERE!! I DON'T CARE IF YOU OWN THE GAME , you still cant be treating people unequally
Unequal = UNFAIR , and it is UNLAWFUL... that's right perfect world is breaking the law if they don't correct this and treat me equally, and give me the same exact service they give everyone else.. that's all I am going to say.. peace, out.
b:angryb:angryb:angryb b:cute (now if you don't mind, now I just want to go back to playing perfect world and try to have fun, in spite of all the things that can get "broken" in a video game like this...)
at least , the least they can do is if something is not working right , is broken, and not satisfactory to the customers needs, and is not making the customer very happy, the least they can do is to fix it, but they don't want to fix it... i see they want to lose good customers, good people , like me, because they somehow must feel they would be much better off with out customers.. no customers, no lag, and no more money, see? better... see they would much rather have bad customers, people who are mean like you, than to have good customers like me.. I get it now..0 -
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What if this was locked but then unlocked and then locked again in a different century but then unlocked on the blue moon of January. But then you find out you're a noob so it doesn't matter.
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Noob - Heavens Tear wrote: »What if this was locked but then unlocked and then locked again in a different century but then unlocked on the blue moon of January. But then you find out you're a noob so it doesn't matter.
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ouch, even Noob thinks you're a noob b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Hell hath no fury like Alexeno trying to prove his point" -Mizuoni0 -
well I hope this thread does not get locked before the issue gets resolved, because if that happens... Guess what folks? I am reopening it.. And I will keep reopening this issue until it gets resolved, I may even have to bring in outside authorities...... if that is what it takes then so be it, but I will not be treated unfairly, for whatever reason or should I say complete lack of reason.. I will not be the scapegoat here or anywhere... so you are going to hear about it , until you go or I go.. or we both go, or this issue gets resolved. But UNEQUAL TRETMENT UNDER THE LAW WILL NOT STAND ANYWHERE!! I DON'T CARE IF YOU OWN THE GAME , you still cant be treating people unequally
Unequal = UNFAIR , and it is UNLAWFUL... that's right perfect world is breaking the law if they don't correct this and treat me equally, and give me the same exact service they give everyone else.. that's all I am going to say.. peace, out.
b:angryb:angryb:angryb b:cute (now if you don't mind, now I just want to go back to playing perfect world and try to have fun, in spite of all the things that can get "broken" in a video game like this...)
at least , the least they can do is if something is not working right , is broken, and not satisfactory to the customers needs, and is not making the customer very happy, the least they can do is to fix it, but they don't want to fix it... i see they want to lose good customers, good people , like me, because they somehow must feel they would be much better off with out customers.. no customers, no lag, and no more money, see? better... see they would much rather have bad customers, people who are mean like you, than to have good customers like me.. I get it now..
Lololol@outside authorities.
In all seriousness, this is the problem here. You're not making sense. Your first post was trying to be cute (I think?), but it was nonsensical. I can't even try to help you because I have NO idea what you're saying.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"aadi is a forum ninja, always there, skirting thru the shadows... striking with quick posts while you are distracted by your own" -Alexeno(kin)
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well I hope this thread does not get locked before the issue gets resolved
Aaaaand....Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »eh, i suppose i could help out a wee bit...
submit a ticket about your situation here: LINK
be sure to only submit one ticket, as multiple submissions will push your ticket to the bottom of the list
good luck b:victory
There's how you resolve your issue. What else can we say? GM's, and dev's in charge of this type of problem don't usually go on the forums, hence why we have a ticketing service.
Forum mods, forum users and community GM's won't be able to offer much help I'm afraid.0 -
What if you Got hit on the head, you no longer Know who you are or what your email is, or who you are, all you know is who you are, but you don't know that you know.. and your email that everyone else thinks exists, does not even exist, and you have a different Email , but you are still the same you that signed up for this perfect world account , back when it was a different reality , and that Email, that Doesn't exist Did in fact exist, but it Doesn't exist anymore.. anyways you have a Different Email then the one that you use to start this game, but YOU are still you, or at least you think you are you.. **pinches self** but now you got passwords on things you don't remember making passwords on and you cant get access into them like everyone else who has remembered their passwords.. now your email has been changed, not to protect you, but to harm you?? look at all this harm it has done you you , OUCH OMG! I cannot buy and sell gold or ZEN for this worth much less psuedo gold because I dont have access to this what is apparently an account within an account with a password , all of which I never made.. and now I am locked out, darn! not such a big deal?? you really think so?? well now I have to buy gold or zen with real money, while you get to play the game, and keep your money, and turn play money into real money, whil I gotta go out and work in the much harsher real world and make real money to buy play money , and only one way?? do you think that is fair and balanced?? I started this account in august 2 2009 , and I have been locked out of the fake gold / faker gold and zen trade for ever since almost and I am tired of it.. I deserve all the same access as everyone else.. just because I went through a wormhole and my email address has been changed to harm the me.. and a password was put on the .. nameless thing to also harm the .. drum roll please Me.. why does the universe want to harm me so?? I did nothing SPECIFIC to deserve this, do not play to much into this , all it is is a cooperation refusing to look into their own mess and re - refusing to clean up, err uhm correct their mistake... also that nice little "security feature" where they have a preset question that Only you could know the answer two you know question, and answer , security question, Bah! it does not make anything more secure, in fact it is bogus.. you all want a little comfy blankie so you can feel safe and secure?? then start out with a secure password and then after that just leave it at that , don't weaken it with some questionable security question and answer of questionable security,
I know you say how are you going to verify that this is that and this person is the right person and blah blah blah... well certainly not by some "security verification Question" !! I mean, what if the say even forgot the question, people lose memory at all ages and for all varying reasons . we cannot just automatically be jumping to conclusions, we need to utilise something more
all encompassing.. and through tight social networks of people who know the people , through the people one knows, they can be identified, by their actions, their personality, their affect and effect, on all 126 dimensions of their personality.. that is hard to fake really.. but memorizing simple phrases and answers to simple phrases?? heck we got computers that can blaze through all that in 15 seconds well to heck with that uber secure password, No it tis WORTHLESS!! and now I am pointing that out to you, people and staff of perfect world, so what are you going to do about it??
because this is where the bad guy wins, and the legitimate user gets all or partially locked out of things like this game, or like the gold trade and auction.. the bad guy wins, he gloats at the misery of the poor legitimate user that cannot buy or sell gold, because they did not subscribe to the mark system of the beast.... Am I right?? I need an answer, because I am still locked out of the gold trade on perhaps all of my characters on Krageal2 which is EXACTLY what we all Don't want isn't it?? so can you please fix this and reset my password to something.. don't say what it is.. and then Email it to my NEW email address which is soulfire@sonic.net Or if you prefer Shawnnaeileib@yahoo.com and please stop Phishing for me Email Address Passwords, I Don't Like it Very Much At All !! and you who You are, know who you are... please stop,also it will not work, so I hope you have noticed that by now and GIVEN UP! Thank you! b:surrender b:chuckle
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my Guess is you Forgot your Email password that you used for perfect world? And your trying to Get your password back by the "Forgot your password" Button but its sent to a email address you dont remember the pass too?
So what your asking us to do Is to give you your pass and username because you cant get it from the email address?
Hmm, Thats just what I think, because i only read some of it... tl;dr :P
if the problem Im talking about is yours, Try PMing a Admin or actually WAIT for the admin to Reply. Forget about replying to the people who dont want to answer this[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Original Join date: Nov 24, 2008
Originally Posted by Russiee - Raging Tide
As for Shadow Escape. "I am sin, I Shadow Escape on a boss, Boss attacks cleric and squad wipes. Lolol im pro fish".
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well I hope this thread does not get locked before the issue gets resolved, because if that happens... Guess what folks? I am reopening it.. And I will keep reopening this issue until it gets resolved, I may even have to bring in outside authorities...... if that is what it takes then so be it, but I will not be treated unfairly, for whatever reason or should I say complete lack of reason.. I will not be the scapegoat here or anywhere... so you are going to hear about it , until you go or I go.. or we both go, or this issue gets resolved. But UNEQUAL TRETMENT UNDER THE LAW WILL NOT STAND ANYWHERE!! I DON'T CARE IF YOU OWN THE GAME , you still cant be treating people unequally
Unequal = UNFAIR , and it is UNLAWFUL... that's right perfect world is breaking the law if they don't correct this and treat me equally, and give me the same exact service they give everyone else.. that's all I am going to say.. peace, out.
b:angryb:angryb:angryb b:cute (now if you don't mind, now I just want to go back to playing perfect world and try to have fun, in spite of all the things that can get "broken" in a video game like this...)
at least , the least they can do is if something is not working right , is broken, and not satisfactory to the customers needs, and is not making the customer very happy, the least they can do is to fix it, but they don't want to fix it... i see they want to lose good customers, good people , like me, because they somehow must feel they would be much better off with out customers.. no customers, no lag, and no more money, see? better... see they would much rather have bad customers, people who are mean like you, than to have good customers like me.. I get it now..
Inveighing the company gets you nowhere, neither do threats. I dont even know what you are talking about, your posts are just a bunch of drivel. Its like wtf? Its worse than those people with bombastic posts >.>
IMO, you are a callow person, the perfect epitome of a callow person so in short, cya
P.S. IM IN SOMEONES SIGGY!Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0
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