Is PWI cash shop dependant?

dazmo

Well, i am just wondering if this game is cash shop dependant, by that i mean like... Do you need to pay real money to be good?

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

dazmo wrote: »

Well, i am just wondering if this game is cash shop dependant, by that i mean like... Do you need to pay real money to be good?

No. Every single item in the cash shop is tradable in-game. In addition, PWI has a Auction house where you can buy gold with in-game coins, so you can buy directly from the CS without having to spend a single cent of RL money.

Obviously you will have to grind more to get the coins to buy CS items, however, none of the items is required to play the game, they just make the game easier or prettier, and as I said, you can buy any of the items of the CS in-game from other players.

dazmo

Ahh tyvm, so what are the main ways of making money? My character has like.. 200 gold

Nike - Harshlands

very tough to be competitive without spending $$ in this game. money > skill

if you don't mind that, then it's definitely playable without spending a dime

dazmo

How much $ do you need to spend to be pro at PW?

Qwentomec - Heavens Tear

If you can make good money in other ways then you don't have to depend on the cash shop. But the thing is, the easiest way to make money is to buy gold with real money and sell it, or buy CS items with the gold and sell it. With that money you can then buy all the gear and items you need, which may not necessarily be cash shop items.

And of course the best items cost millions or tens of millions...so selling gold/CS items is the quickest and easiest way to get them.


As for making money without using real life money....gathering mats or herbs and selling those is good. Also buying low and selling high works good, but finding cheap items to do that can be hard.
But unless you really hit a sweet spot in the market you'll only be making pocket change...not the mega bucks required for good items.

But of course good items arn't everything...they are only needed for PK anyway.



EDIT: Money needed to be a pro? Depends on lvl. Lvl 1 to lvl 70 you won't need more money than you get from questing, unless you wanna buy fashion or a mount. A mount you can get pretty quickly though by selling herbs or mats.

70+ money is a big issue, you will need a few million coins to get mats for TT gear if you can't gather them all, and you need a couple of mold items which cost several hundred thousand coins.

80+ money issues are ridiculous...because TT90 gear is incredibly expensive. Many millions of coins needed if you don't want to spend months gathering mats from TT

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

To be a skilled player and highly efficient at PvE of any sort requires no money as Jazmin said. Everything is available ingame, even boutique items via the auction house as long as you grind for it and knowing your class will go a very long way.

Without real money however you wont be able to afford much vanity items at all. Becoming a top PvP'r or to have equal equips to the top players in the game will be completely impossible. You'll need to grind and work a lot for money. A lot of items you will have to do without, such as hp charms, guardian scrolls and high level refining.

There is a rather large gap between the rich and the poor, but if you're looking to play just casually for fun it's quite easily manageable.

dazmo

Ahhh thnx So how much is this TT90 gear?

Andromaka - Heavens Tear

dazmo wrote: »

How much $ do you need to spend to be pro at PW?

I have all i ever wanted and didnt spend 1 real $ in game... im not saying im a pro, im a decent over average geared player without spending real money. Now it all depends on ur high expectations from the game... if u want to be a lvl 100 full +12 gear and very very fast u will need like 2k+ $$ / items .

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear

It depends on the class you play.

Venomancers are very cheap to play. Others like clerics or barbarian are costlier.

PVE is also cheaper to play than PVP. Doing PVP in this game can be very costly if you want to be any good at it.

But frankly, I would not like to be a starting player under the current game's ecomomics conditions

Nelanther - Lost City

If by good you mean consistantly competetive in PvP then your characters value endgame should be at least $1000. Although many will argue that this number is too low. PvE this game is fine without charms and without refines.

Keep in mind that refining costs dwarf equipment costs.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

dazmo wrote: »

Well, i am just wondering if this game is cash shop dependant, by that i mean like... Do you need to pay real money to be good?

No. Often times people pay money to get what they want.. faster. It's a win/win situation really. It keeps the game free for people who don't want to pay, who can still get whatever they want, and the person paying gets what they want too.

People have no idea how great it is that you can trade cash shop items. Try playing some of the games where there is no connection made in the game between currency and cash shop, where people can't exchange cash shop items or cannot get coins with game currency from real cash, and the incredible black market it creates -- practically destroys the game.

Morganna - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No. Often times people pay money to get what they want.. faster. It's a win/win situation really. It keeps the game free for people who don't want to pay, who can still get whatever they want, and the person paying gets what they want too.

I don't entirely agree with this-- My HH80 gear cost 60 dollars cash. This is just a dollar number, and rather small for some. 1 dollar cash is about 500k (probably higher now) on my server. That's 30 million coins for my gear. Even farming nonstop only gets me about 500k a day if I go for 3-4 hours straight. While it's possible, I don't think it's easy and it certainly isn't a good way to enjoy the game. When I'm farming, I'm not having fun.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Morganna - Lost City wrote: »

I don't entirely agree with this-- My HH80 gear cost 60 dollars cash. This is just a dollar number, and rather small for some. 1 dollar cash is about 500k (probably higher now) on my server. That's 30 million coins for my gear. Even farming nonstop only gets me about 500k a day if I go for 3-4 hours straight. While it's possible, I don't think it's easy and it certainly isn't a good way to enjoy the game. When I'm farming, I'm not having fun.

My TT gear did not cost me anything to make, since I went on party runs to get the mats for my gear. I have fun running TTs anyway.

So, as pointed out, YOU have the option to buy yourself out of things, the same way people have the option to get the gear for free, just by doing the runs. It is very easy to get your mats, its part of the game, and you do not need to spend a penny to get any of it.

Don't start saying it costs that RL money to buy gear, since it is a LIE. It is 100% optional if you want to get your gear for free or you want to easy way and sell gold to buy it already made.

Anyways, that is the beauty of PWI, you have those options to play as it fits your style.

Granrey - Sanctuary

dazmo wrote: »

Well, i am just wondering if this game is cash shop dependant, by that i mean like... Do you need to pay real money to be good?

In lower levels is for sure a No (You dont need RL cash at lower levels) but in upper levels it all depends on the individual player.

Rule of thumb, it depends on how much time you dedicate to grind and if you feel ok spending that time doing it. As well, it is dependable on gold prices in AH.

In other words, You have to grind enough to get your gear. How much is enough? it depends on gold prices, how good are you at grinding, friends, ect. All these variables change everyday.

Morganna - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My TT gear did not cost me anything to make, since I went on party runs to get the mats for my gear. I have fun running TTs anyway.

So, as pointed out, YOU have the option to buy yourself out of things, the same way people have the option to get the gear for free, just by doing the runs. It is very easy to get your mats, its part of the game, and you do not need to spend a penny to get any of it.

Don't start saying it costs that RL money to buy gear, since it is a LIE. It is 100% optional if you want to get your gear for free or you want to easy way and sell gold to buy it already made.

Anyways, that is the beauty of PWI, you have those options to play as it fits your style.

Ok, so let's say I got the gear through HH, for argument's sake. A cleric gets the worst part of the deal there-- In 1-2, I burn 200k off of my MP charm, not to mention HP charm ticks around 25k. So to keep me in charms it's still expensive. If I were to use pots, it may be less expensive. I don't know the regular pots' prices. I do know event pots are prohibitively expensive and I only use them for emergencies, now that my charm is gone. In one run, you might get enough mats for not even one piece of the gear I have. Not one. So each run of the harder HH (1-2 is only 70, I have never run 80, but I imagine it would cost a bit more-- probably around 250-300k) takes charm. The MP charms are about 1 mil on my server, almost. That's a lot of money and two days' worth of work for just 4 runs maybe, if you're lucky. Still a grim idea. And especially if you're on a pvp server-- your gear has to be good if you don't wanna die. It's tough to get that 'good' gear, and a lot of people refine those higher than yours just because they cash shop, as well as have charms. I can't keep myself in charms anymore, college saps up my time. If you don't have 5-7 hours a day to play, it's tough to keep up with cash shop items with in-game coin and still get your items in a timely manner.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Morganna - Lost City wrote: »

I don't entirely agree with this-- My HH80 gear cost 60 dollars cash. This is just a dollar number, and rather small for some. 1 dollar cash is about 500k (probably higher now) on my server. That's 30 million coins for my gear. Even farming nonstop only gets me about 500k a day if I go for 3-4 hours straight. While it's possible, I don't think it's easy and it certainly isn't a good way to enjoy the game. When I'm farming, I'm not having fun.

If you do any TT runs, you can make well over 1m in a day. If you grind/quest (which you need to do anyways at your level), even more. If you know how to sell/re-sell things, you can make a hell of a lot more. At this level it is so easy to make coin, and it's hard to believe you are complaining about the cost of instantly getting elite equipment. People do know they can manufacture their own gear don't they, and it only takes effort (yes, more grinding/mat farming) to achieve? Correct me if I'm wrong on the presumption but it just sounds like you want top of the line stuff for very little effort. And the only way to compensate that is to buy gold.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

TT90+ gear with +4 refines on all your gear is pretty much good enough for you to do all the PvE content in the game. Might vary with class and build, but getting this can easily be done by planning things out, and with in game money. Mats can be gained from doing the runs, refine with just mirage to +2 or +3 and buy some dragon orbs during sales to gain +4 on your gear. This can easily be done by end game with coin you've managed to gain from farming. Also, grinding has become more profitable with so many doing rebirth and deciding to level their crafting skills. Mat drops that were less than 2k each are now going for 7k+ each.

PvP will take alot of skill, and may not be possible for high end pvp by the time you have leveled up. But you can easily enjoy the game if you don't worry what everyone else has.

Morganna - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you do any TT runs, you can make well over 1m in a day. If you grind/quest (which you need to do anyways at your level), even more. If you know how to sell/re-sell things, you can make a hell of a lot more. At this level it is so easy to make coin, and it's hard to believe you are complaining about the cost of instantly getting elite equipment. People do know they can manufacture their own gear don't they, and it only takes effort (yes, more grinding/mat farming) to achieve? Correct me if I'm wrong on the presumption but it just sounds like you want top of the line stuff for very little effort. And the only way to compensate that is to buy gold.

I don't buy gold. I don't have 5-7 hours a day to run several HH runs and do rebirth and farm and everything else you might be able to do to buy CS items. For the majority of the population-- that just isn't an option. It's not feasible to not cash shop and get to those levels and afford what you'll likely need for a pvp server, if you want to be able to defend yourself from those fortunate enough to be able to afford +7 gear at 90 (I'm looking at you, CQ). My gear was a gift, I could never have afforded it on my own, I would be in my old 70 gear.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Morganna - Lost City wrote: »

If you don't have 5-7 hours a day to play, it's tough to keep up with cash shop items with in-game coin and still get your items in a timely manner.

well, what did you expect? It is either going to cost you time or money. However, IT IS YOUR CHOICE, of which one to use.

Also, you do not need charms. If you are using 200k mp on your charm in a 2-1, than your party is doing something very wrong.

I have done up to 3-1 with a Cleric and a Barb that are both charmless, and we did every single boss, including wurlord. The Cleric is even able to keep BB up for boss fights, if needed. Learn about the other aspects of the game, and you would be surprized of the alternatives.

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have done up to 3-1 with a Cleric and a Barb that are both charmless, and we did every single boss, including wurlord. The Cleric is even able to keep BB up for boss fights, if needed. Learn about the other aspects of the game, and you would be surprized of the alternatives.

There is no Wurlord in 3-1....

Any idea the cost of pots for a cleric to keep BB up?

The problem is you are a veno, and you have absolutely no idea how many pots a cleric and/or a barb need to gulp to stay afloat without a charm.

As a veno, I can go along all day without using a single pot. I doubt any other class can do the same... (unless they wantt o spend half their time sitting waiting to regen)

Morganna - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

well, what did you expect? It is either going to cost you time or money. However, IT IS YOUR CHOICE, of which one to use.

Also, you do not need charms. If you are using 200k mp on your charm in a 2-1, than your party is doing something very wrong.

I have done up to 3-1 with a Cleric and a Barb that are both charmless, and we did every single boss, including wurlord. The Cleric is even able to keep BB up for boss fights, if needed. Learn about the other aspects of the game, and you would be surprized of the alternatives.

I was using my original post to show that, in fact, you are right. If you have a lot of time, you can play it without CS. However, most people don't have that time: I'm sure you agree on that. Furthermore, rather than losing xp, HP charms have saved me many a time and I consider them worth the investment... If I had the money -sigh-

Morganna - Lost City

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is no Wurlord in 3-1....

Any idea the cost of pots for a cleric to keep BB up?

The problem is you are a veno, and you have absolutely no idea how many pots a cleric and/or a barb need to gulp to stay afloat without a charm.

As a veno, I can go along all day without using a single pot. I doubt any other class can do the same... (unless they wantt o spend half their time sitting waiting to regen)

Yeah, I know. A guildie of mine soul transfers constantly. I hate her for it b:angry

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is no Wurlord in 3-1....

Any idea the cost of pots for a cleric to keep BB up?

The problem is you are a veno, and you have absolutely no idea how many pots a cleric and/or a barb need to gulp to stay afloat without a charm.[/B][/B]

I know there is no wurlord in 3-1. But when someone says up to 3-1, that includes the 2-x series that has wurlord in.

I have a very good idea how much it costs, since I made most the apoc pots for the cleric and the barb, since I am a pack rat. He used a mix of regular mp ones from drops, event food, 9k MP regain over 30 seconds ones that I made, and the +100MP regain pots I made. When he needs to use a apoc pot, he tells squad, barb turtles, veni sends extra spark, cleric uses apoc pot, than everyone goes back to business. It requires a little more coordination, since the cleric needs to let the tank know what is going on, but it works jsut fine.
Is it easier than using a charm? Hell no, but that is why you have the option to pay for the charm, so you do not have to use all the other options to do the same thing.

I also play a cleric and a barb, so I have small idea from personal experience in addition to the runs I do with those two.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is no Wurlord in 3-1....

Any idea the cost of pots for a cleric to keep BB up?

The problem is you are a veno, and you have absolutely no idea how many pots a cleric and/or a barb need to gulp to stay afloat without a charm.[/B][/B]

Regular pots do fine at 70+. Level 25 sesame is overkill, and I use level 75 herb yuanxiao, which is overkill tenfold. BB consumes 500mp over the span of 5 seconds, so essentially 100mp per second. Pot cooldown is 15 seconds, so you need something to replenish 1500mp in a span of 10 seconds (actually, 15 for the cooldown). Level 70 pots do 1600 in 10 seconds, and can keep BB up just fine.