3k MAtk more on MG worth it or more Hp?

g1306sby
g1306sby Posts: 0 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Wizard
So i was reading almost every thread here and i couldn't find anything related to this topic I'm making... b:surrender

Currently I'm playing a 91 mage at a retail PVP server. Mostly I just do PVE and TW, but if i can get to 96 maybe I would consider going PVP. and what I'm going to ask is for PVP. I played with the pwcalc and I'm going for this stat and armor...
My build n stat @ lv 96
"Note that a few armor i already have, and all these armors are accessable in my server."

but then i was wondering if i put 175 stats into VIT rather than MAG, i'd have more hp but less MAtk. obviously. and the stat would be like this...
a Maybe Future Build #2

So what I want to ask from the experts, is it really worth it having 1,75k more hp or should i just stick with 3k more MAtk? and if I may ask, how much does 3k from the 11k MAtk give in pvp (any armor). Is it so worth it that 1,75k hp means nothing? I began questioning, because in a few thread i read here, which links to pwcalc, i see builds of only having approx. 8-9k MAtk. is it really enough to pvp effectively? b:shocked

(i wanted to test this on a PS, but i don't have access to one. and on retail that would mean spending lots and lots of money just to re stat)

Oh and another question, on Pdef/Mdef stats, when gaining the first few numbers, % resistance are easy to get... but then @8k ++ Pdef/Mdef, the % resistance gets harder and harder to reach. Are MAtk calculations like that too? or are they static?

Thanks b4 for the feedbacks. (If any... lol) b:thanks b:thanks
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    b:shocked
    even the magic hamster thinks it's so not worth dropping like half your base magic into vit.
    (>.<)

    your damage be cut dramatically...for only a bit of hp.
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    you really have a hard time choosing between the 2? here's a better question: do you want to kill or do you want to stand there and pretending you matter?
  • g1306sby
    g1306sby Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    you really have a hard time choosing between the 2? here's a better question: do you want to kill or do you want to stand there and pretending you matter?

    I forgot to mention that I wouldn't be PKing alone. Since I'm not born to do "evil" things. b:cute But because my clan has a mortal enemy which almost every day disturbs the good in life, I have no choice but to make a move.

    So yeah, I think killing people is fun, but if i cant hold my grounds because of the lack of health point would be sad. So maybe surviving the long term massacre and laughing @ the enemy that couldn't kill me would be much more fun which then i wait for when my clanies go for the kill.

    and that goes back to my question... is 1,75k and 500ish pdef enough to be the "survivability" i seek? or should i just stick with the MAtk for PVE and RB's because the 1,75k is b/s?
    or maybe what i should ask in the first place was...
    "Is 4k of health point enough for TW and PVPing?" (having the server is retail and no godly equips @ the moment. though a few people managed to get +12 on a HH99gold b:shocked)

    I think I'm on to something..................... hmm, maybe not yet. b:shutup
  • Rainesierr - Lost City
    Rainesierr - Lost City Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    keep the matk. the hp is pretty much useless imo. you may have 15 lvls on me, but this seems like a relatively easy decision xD
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  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    You get 10 hp per vit point.
    The amount of increased attack is a much better tradeoff to a minor amount of hp, especially when refines and +10x hp add-ons can easily make-up for the loss in hp.
    Don't forget citrine shards. Can't add mag. attk shards to armor can you? b:shockedb:thanks
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Vit is a great thing to have if you can't refine very high but don't overdo it. You're not a cleric.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    uhm....you have 4-5 lvls on me, better gear and still we have the same HP. How the **** can that happen?

    Dmg wise yes, your output is off the scale compared to mine (channel, crit, refined wpn). Your normal dmg output is about 75% of my 3 spark dmg outputb:dirty . So, you shoud keep that as it is.

    Full buffed I have 6.7k pdef, or +7k Pdef is the BM has sage/demon golden bell. That's about the same as what u have self buffed. Now, these 2 should not be compared, but I just want to say 1 thing: That HP won't be enough in a tight fight.
    A 98 or 99 archer with a +10 TT(90?) crossbow critted 5.9k on me in the last TW. Truth is I was only self buffed and a cleric sleep/debuff me also, but I'm not 100% sure (he usually crits me for ~3k), didn't stop to pay attention. But yeah, at that HP you have big chances to be 2 shoted by every well geared (+7 and more refined wpn) archer your lvl.

    HP comes from refines...so ...yeah, u can restat let's say 50 mag into vit - with about 1k loss in magic dmg (In PvP won't make such a diff since u already have a lot) - and refine your gear to +6 or +7.
    Beside, get this: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20288 and this: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20266 , refined and sharded you should get over 5k HP. There are OHT rewards, u need to work a little, but are well worth it.
    Something like this:http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=1118f04f0369a6d9 + you're gonna get an additional +3 crit rate, and at 15% crit, u already have quite a bit.
    And BTW, get that Sage/Demon ( whatever culti u have) earth barrier. With Sage u hit 8k pdef self buffed, demon will give u even more. at 8k the diminishing returns law says you should not invest anything in pdef anymore- so go full HP/refines.

    So, there u go, I just pulled out 1k HP from yout pretty **** keeping virtually the same dmg. Refines will only add on top of that, and you really need to refine at this point
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  • g1306sby
    g1306sby Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20288 and http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20266
    i haven't seen even 1 of those yet in my server. where do you get those? or maybe its in a different name... lol I'll check it later.

    So my Hp still lacks from being enough. b:cry
    other than that... the feedbacks from everyone was great. b:thanks I guess I'll just keep the MAtk, find myself a sage earth barrier book and hope my refines doesn't blow...

    Thank You again for all the feedbacks. b:thanks *now i can sleep*
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    both those are rewards for some pretty long **** quests in OHT. I think you need to kill several thousand mobs to get to those. I'm not 100% sure about the quest chain, but if u ask someone on your server, for sure ppl know about it.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Uh it's not a quest chain. You simply do a repeatable quest to kill 60 mobs that gives 4 wraith spirits each time... plus the small chance of mobs dropping one. There's a reason nobody had them before the event, lol.
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  • Ty - Heavens Tear
    Ty - Heavens Tear Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    First off lose the Mdef belt and replace it with a pdef belt(OHT level 95 Gold belt would be the best choice), then replace some of those garnets with citrines.

    Doing a lesser refine on you weapon i.e. +9 instead of +10 will save you 1370 orbs which are better spent on +6/+7 on your armor. This will allow you to stat less vit and actually have more magic attack with the same amount of HP. (assuming you switch some of those garnets out for citrines)

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=09f00bb886b4d373

    This build has less pdef but is still 10k fully buffed with non sage/demon bell/barrier.

    Also put those +5 orbs from your rings into another +7 orb for your armor to get another 60ish HP, you'll lose only 1% mdef unbuffed.
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  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Beside, get this: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20288 and this: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20266

    The boot's quest is something like this (from what I can understand, I looked into it 'cause they are sexy boots):

    ~gather 18,500 wraith eye's (quest drop, can be obtained at a 2.1% drop rate from several mobs in OHT; problem here: only about ~20 of these mobs on the map at any given time).

    I guess once you do that you get to choose a prize (one of those boots); the hat is a similar quest (~5.5k drops @ 2% rate / 18 possible mobs at any given time) but I don't think it's worth it imho, OHT hats can be crafted easier & you're gonna get a nice one far before you'd finish the chrono quest of the gold hat.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Spend your time farming and selling mats instead of those things, then buy a helm of holy punishment. Farming the "best" versions of those hats takes ridiculously long. Maybe if you have a veno alt capable of farming, it's not AS bad with a phoenix since they're ? mobs. But still a waste of time.
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  • RedSpeller - Sanctuary
    RedSpeller - Sanctuary Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Talking about those boots, I've seen on the database there is a quest like One Man Army, where you have to kill 60 mobs to get 4 wraith eyes/spirits/bones depending of the place you are (Scared, Unicorn or Moonshade). Are they implemented in PWI? http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/14251

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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Yeah you can pick up those quests in past 2/3/4. Problem is, for the past boots you'll be in past 3... and if you hit one mob there you'll get like 4-6 on you. Half of them are ranged though, so... your hiero will get **** pretty bad and you can't zhen them.
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  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    You guys act like 4 sockets is cheap or something... and g9 shards fall out of the sky. 3 socket g8 +6 or even 7 armor is more realistic than 4 socket +5 g9 >_>
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  • Ty - Heavens Tear
    Ty - Heavens Tear Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Amour - Lost City wrote: »
    You guys act like 4 sockets is cheap or something... and g9 shards fall out of the sky. 3 socket g8 +6 or even 7 armor is more realistic than 4 socket +5 g9 >_>

    For some people they do. Even Garnet gems and Ctirine gems seem to appear from nowhere >>
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  • Taurzo - Lost City
    Taurzo - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Amour - Lost City wrote: »
    You guys act like 4 sockets is cheap or something... and g9 shards fall out of the sky. 3 socket g8 +6 or even 7 armor is more realistic than 4 socket +5 g9 >_>

    I agree with you... I'm not Shinzoko or Mapster b:surrender
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    in all my time, the only g9 stones I've ever gotten I got from drops.. I could never afford to buy those. I usually sell them, or trade for multiple g8 stones.
  • Llama - Lost City
    Llama - Lost City Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Taurzo - Lost City wrote: »
    I agree with you... I'm not Shinzoko or Mapster b:surrender

    I'm pretty glad every super cash shopper on this server is:

    1) terrible at playing.
    2) In my guild (like 1 or 2 people)
    3) Complete carebears.

    Mapster dies to me allll the time. Shinzoko has alot of evasion but can't evade magic I love his logic.


    But ya regarding this thread's title, since my epeen is too large to read all the responses..:

    If you're even asking that question like you're not sure the answer you need to learn your class. 3K matk is a HUGE amount.

    I am a pure int sage mage here are my stats full buffed:

    12.8K Pdef
    7.4K HP
    11.8K Mdef
    10.7-12.2K Matk
    an extra +7% phys reduction from gears.

    b:dirty 8K++ HP soon when I get some orbs.
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  • Uncanny - Lost City
    Uncanny - Lost City Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I wouldnt go as far as a 175 vit but with a +10 lunar wep your still going to hurt either way. Maybe 100 vit?

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