is demon sunder any good?

Endless_life - Harshlands
Endless_life - Harshlands Posts: 144 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Barbarian
i got demon armageddon and sunder
which one is better?
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  • KingTank - Heavens Tear
    KingTank - Heavens Tear Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    why not just use them both?

    if u only have enough spirit/coins for 1 skill then i'd choice Sunder first- my opinion
  • Endless_life - Harshlands
    Endless_life - Harshlands Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    b:sad no spirit

    damn genies
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  • KingTank - Heavens Tear
    KingTank - Heavens Tear Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Indeed, i wasted all my spirit on a PK Genie i was gonna build then they released the exp with quests/mobs, then changed the dex skills to str so now its useless
  • Endless_life - Harshlands
    Endless_life - Harshlands Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    b:surrender
    i know gm and the game hate us
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  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    well i wouldnt even think a bit to prefer demon arma beside sunder, i mean:
    Demon version recovers a total of 4000 HP and makes every attack critical for 5 seconds.b:chuckle

    u will lost 800 healing besides lvl 10 which recover 4800HP but 5sec of crit is just b:victory
    KingTank - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Indeed, i wasted all my spirit on a PK Genie i was gonna build then they released the exp with quests/mobs, then changed the dex skills to str so now its useless

    yeah me toob:surrender i spent so much effort on a full dex longevity, and it worked very well with ToP, shield of protection and other skill i dont remember now, but after patch they totally nerf the barb skill in comparison the BM ones that got better.

    they nerf us in favour of BM giving them a skill more, and since devs are ironic BMs what should they called that new skill ?


    BALANCE of courseb:angry
  • KareszBeast - Heavens Tear
    KareszBeast - Heavens Tear Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I got both on a private server, and honestly...it's not easy to tell which one is more useful. I don't find the 5 sec all crit particularly useful - for PKing at least Perdition is always better for me. But then again...Arma does its job pretty well whether you have the demon version or not.

    So maybe, it is better you get the demon sunder first.

    I'd say it depends what you want to use them for. They both can be good in their own ways: while demon perd is better than level 10, it's still just perdition. It's one skill, and one way of killing someone (in my opinion it's also the most effective way). Demon sunder - however - can give you another way to fight. Again - personally I find perdition more useful in PKing, but as I also said before, level 10 perdition works just fine.

    Additional info:
    I actually tried using sunder with triple spark: triple spark+chi tea+sunder actually works OK. I tried to do sunder, chi pot, human form, perdition, but I never managed to fit all these skills into 5 seconds (I've yet to try it with the built in macros though).
  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    KareszBeast - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    personally I find perdition more useful in PKing, but as I also said before, level 10 perdition works just fine.

    thats what i mean:

    level10 perdition > 4000dmg + 4.0each HP+MP

    demon perdition > 5000dmg + 4.0each HP+MP + 10%dmg(dunno if is just 500 or 10% of the total damage)


    level10 sunder > base physical dmg + 200%weapon dmg + 8724.2 bleed dmg for 30 seconds, you absorb 4800 HP

    demon sunder > base physical dmg + 200%weapon dmg + 9245.0 bleed dmg for 30 seconds, recovers 4000 HP and makes every attack critical for 5 seconds.


    perdition is already a massive damage so ill prefer have sunder before perdition...just personal preference b:chuckleb:laughb:bye
  • Endless_life - Harshlands
    Endless_life - Harshlands Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    hmm would demon sunder thn perdition right after work?

    or would it take to long to go back to human form?

    or have to use 0 channeling pots b:chuckle
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  • KareszBeast - Heavens Tear
    KareszBeast - Heavens Tear Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Endless_life - Harshlands wrote: »
    hmm would demon sunder thn perdition right after work?

    or would it take to long to go back to human form?

    or have to use 0 channeling pots b:chuckle
    KareszBeast - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Additional info:
    I actually tried using sunder with triple spark: triple spark+chi tea+sunder actually works OK. I tried to do sunder, chi pot, human form, perdition, but I never managed to fit all these skills into 5 seconds (I've yet to try it with the built in macros though).

    aaaaaaaaaaa
  • KareszBeast - Heavens Tear
    KareszBeast - Heavens Tear Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    schizzofrenia wrote: »
    thats what i mean:

    level10 perdition > 4000dmg + 4.0each HP+MP

    demon perdition > 5000dmg + 4.0each HP+MP + 10%dmg(dunno if is just 500 or 10% of the total damage)


    level10 sunder > base physical dmg + 200%weapon dmg + 8724.2 bleed dmg for 30 seconds, you absorb 4800 HP

    demon sunder > base physical dmg + 200%weapon dmg + 9245.0 bleed dmg for 30 seconds, recovers 4000 HP and makes every attack critical for 5 seconds.


    perdition is already a massive damage so ill prefer have sunder before perdition...just personal preference b:chuckleb:laughb:bye

    I agree. In a way I don't find any of these skills very useful because level 10 perdition already owns, and I don't think I've ever even attempted to kill anyone using demon sunder. Beastial Onslaught+Perdition is just much more effective imo.

    If you do AOE and use demon raging roar (puts 100% reflect on you) then using demon sunder after that is kinda cool, all your aoe hits, and all the melee hits done by the mobs will crit. But it's still just cool, not a "don't miss it"-"get it asap" thing.
  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    KareszBeast - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If you do AOE and use demon raging roar (puts 100% reflect on you) then using demon sunder after that is kinda cool, all your aoe hits, and all the melee hits done by the mobs will crit.

    why this ?

    it says EVERY ATTACK in the ecatomb descrption but i think that after demon sunder all YOUR attacks will be crits not other's
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    perdition > sunder

    Using every ounce of force to consume half of the HP and MP. Then convert it into a large area effect attack within area of 12 meter in radius around oneself, dealing 5000 of physical attack damage. Each consumed HP and MP will convert to 4.0 point of extra attack damage.

    let's assume you have.. 20k hp in human form after bloodbath. and what's level 99-100 mp? 1.5k?

    so that's 10,000 x4 + 750 x4 + 5000 = 48,000 raw damage. add 10%. +4,800. 52,800 raw damage before reduction.

    now berserk: 105,600. now critical: 211,200.
  • Endless_life - Harshlands
    Endless_life - Harshlands Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    i have never use sunder for pvp so just wondering cause i rarely go tiger to pvp but demon sunder is like demon onslaught in tiger mode...
    hmmm i guess i lvl first and think about it more
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  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    now berserk:... now critical:...

    LOL, try to keep the feet on the ground...we dont have GOD mode...YET

    (heard that next stock of anniversary packs will contain it BTW)b:surrender



    for a pure pvp role is sure best having demon perdition, but id say demon sunder is more versatile...

    and not to forget the full attack bonus on tiger form and the max speed to chase range enemies...

    im in pve server so still not used to PK but im making my idea with duel and stuff (more or less)



    AS BARB, IM BROKE b:angryb:cry
  • KareszBeast - Heavens Tear
    KareszBeast - Heavens Tear Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    schizzofrenia wrote: »
    why this ?

    it says EVERY ATTACK in the ecatomb descrption but i think that after demon sunder all YOUR attacks will be crits not other's

    I don't know why that is but that is how it works - at least where I tried - but everything should work the same way they work here (besides I highly doubt the ones running the server have the skills to modify the way skills work). You can also notice reflect critting more when you use beastial onslaught, so I assume reflect crits happen based on your crit % (which is why all the hits crit when you use sunder).
  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    KareszBeast - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I assume reflect crits happen based on your crit % (which is why all the hits crit when you use sunder plus ROAR).



    reflected hits are still attacks so, if ur into the CRIT BONUS time, the reflected damage will be affected by this bonus


    AS BARB, IM BROKE b:angryb:cry

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