Heaven Shatterer vs. Assorted Bows/Xbows

Asmathi - Sanctuary
Asmathi - Sanctuary Posts: 283 Arc User
edited December 2010 in Archer
I was wondering if any of the below Bows/Xbows compared to Heaven Shatterer:

✩Reaper's Shot - Xbow
✩Solarhunter - Bow
✩Demonic Whirlwind - Xbow
✩Blaspheme Shot - Bow

Also, How do you think the various TT99 Golds perform?

Edit: Realized I labeled Blaspheme as a Xbow
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Asmathi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I was wondering if any of the below Bows/Xbows compared to Heaven Shatterer:

    ✩Reaper's Shot - Xbow
    ✩Solarhunter - Bow
    ✩Demonic Whirlwind - Xbow
    ✩Blaspheme Shot - Xbow


    Also, How do you think the various TT99 Golds perform?

    Reaper's Shot: Not even that great in comparison to Lunar bow. The add-ons are so-so.

    Solarhunter: This is even worse. Why bother with an xbow if both the min and max damage is smaller than Lunar bow?

    Demonic Whirlwind: 5 words. Good luck killing Harpy Wraith.

    Blaspheme Shot: This could be better, but the chances of it being better than a Lunar bow is so small and so expensive (from the dex material) you're best off not trying to roll a gold -interval, crit and good "additional skill" OHT bow.

    Constellation: Fall: This is a popular one and a not-so-bad one at that.

    The two Gold Dragonbow: No need to compare. Lunar > both of these.

    In case you still haven't realised, Lunar bow is on the top ranks of "EG" bows. Not much will compare to it (save 3 bows) so I don't know what you were expecting comparing a top of the line grade 13 bow with grade 12 xbows.
  • Asmathi - Sanctuary
    Asmathi - Sanctuary Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Reaper's Shot: Not even that great in comparison to Lunar bow. The add-ons are so-so.

    Solarhunter: This is even worse. Why bother with an xbow if both the min and max damage is smaller than Lunar bow?

    Demonic Whirlwind: 5 words. Good luck killing Harpy Wraith.

    Blaspheme Shot: This could be better, but the chances of it being better than a Lunar bow is so small and so expensive (from the dex material) you're best off not trying to roll a gold -interval, crit and good "additional skill" OHT bow.

    Constellation: Fall: This is a popular one and a not-so-bad one at that.

    The two Gold Dragonbow: No need to compare. Lunar > both of these.

    In case you still haven't realised, Lunar bow is on the top ranks of "EG" bows. Not much will compare to it (save 3 bows) so I don't know what you were expecting comparing a top of the line grade 13 bow with grade 12 xbows.

    First, I was asking how they compared, I dont particularly care about chances to get it.
    Also, I was talking about the Blaspheme Shot you make through the Lunar forges, not the one in OHT
    (At the text in Blue, Since when was Solarhunter a Xbow? It is a Bow)

    Finally, How about the TT100, Punishing Thunder?

    (Before you say that is impossible also, please remember there are player with TT100 on the server)b:thanks
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Asmathi - Sanctuary wrote: »

    First, I was asking how they compared, I dont particularly care about chances to get it.
    Also, I was talking about the Blaspheme Shot you make through the Lunar forges, not the one in OHT

    Finally, How about the TT100, Punishing Thunder?

    (Before you say that is impossible also, please remember there are player with TT100 on the server)b:thanks

    Wasn't going to say TT100 was impossible.

    TT100 does compare and some choose it over Lunar. Just remember, a purge proc in PvP is invaluable in terms of EG. Surely you don't rely on it but if it does happen expect it to end soon.

    edit: My bad at solarhunter. I don't know why you're still comparing those subpar bows to Lunar though.

    re: Lunar Blaspheme, disregarding chance, the above mods mentioned will be on par if not better than Lunar.
  • Tactica - Lost City
    Tactica - Lost City Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Punishing thunder has some decent add-ons, and refines very nicely. Currently there's only one (that I know of) on LC.

    Far more common to see Constellation: Fall, I think it's a popular choice, decent extra damage, nice crit.

    The 7 Sign (Sages) crossbow looks tempting, but to be able to get it is another matter.

    If you can craft a nice OHT/Lunar Glade 100 bow/crossbow, with a good add-on/stats, then it works out better than or equal to most other options. But gold is lv. 100, like your Punishing thunder.

    CV bow has a lower max damage, less crit, etc., but you have to remember - while things like Darken, etc. are nice, the ability to debuff your opponent can drastically swing a fight.

    Other bows/crossbows compare damage-wise, beat it crit-wise, but in terms of stats, well, my money is on the CV bow.
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  • Asmathi - Sanctuary
    Asmathi - Sanctuary Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Tactica - Lost City wrote: »
    Punishing thunder has some decent add-ons, and refines very nicely. Currently there's only one (that I know of) on LC.

    Far more common to see Constellation: Fall, I think it's a popular choice, decent extra damage, nice crit.

    The 7 Sign (Sages) crossbow looks tempting, but to be able to get it is another matter.

    If you can craft a nice OHT/Lunar Glade 100 bow/crossbow, with a good add-on/stats, then it works out better than or equal to most other options. But gold is lv. 100, like your Punishing thunder.

    CV bow has a lower max damage, less crit, etc., but you have to remember - while things like Darken, etc. are nice, the ability to debuff your opponent can drastically swing a fight.

    Other bows/crossbows compare damage-wise, beat it crit-wise, but in terms of stats, well, my money is on the CV bow.

    A Question for both you and Legerity:

    What three weapons outdo the Heaven Shatterer?

    I can only really think of 2 off the top of my head:

    ✩✩Flowing Stardust and ✩✩Crossbow of Unknown Origin, unless you mean the third to be ✩✩Bow of the Demonhunter

    Lets assume for a second that all three of these weapons are unattainable. (Which they are to an extent).

    You are suggesting Constellation: Fall then? or to create a OHT Bow with good stats? (If money really wasnt a factor)

    Also, How does one get each of the Badges to make the Signs for the Sage Weapons?
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Asmathi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A Question for both you and Legerity:

    What three weapons outdo the Heaven Shatterer?

    I can only really think of 2 off the top of my head:

    ✩✩Flowing Stardust and ✩✩Crossbow of Unknown Origin, unless you mean the third to be ✩✩Bow of the Demonhunter

    Lets assume for a second that all three of these weapons are unattainable. (Which they are to an extent).

    You are suggesting Constellation: Fall then? or to create a OHT Bow with good stats? (If money really wasnt a factor)

    Also, How does one get each of the Badges to make the Signs for the Sage Weapons?

    Warsoul bow
    Rank 8 bow
    TT100 xbow
    LG95 bow
    (Personally I prefer LG95 over TT100)

    If money wasn't a problem, then I don't know why you wouldn't get warsoul or rank 8. Statistically speaking, you would most likely see a warsoul/rank 8 before a -interval, crit and good proc skill Blaspheme. In fact there are already a few rank 8s floating around.

    Xbow of sages loses to TT100 IMO. re: badges I am unsure but I think it's:

    Bravery: Ann. Packs
    Str: City of Abom
    Courage: CoA
    Endurance: DT raid
    Speed: Race
    Dexterity: no clue
    Wisdom: no clue
  • Asmathi - Sanctuary
    Asmathi - Sanctuary Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Warsoul bow
    Rank 8 bow
    TT100 xbow
    LG95 bow
    (Personally I prefer LG95 over TT100)

    If money wasn't a problem, then I don't know why you wouldn't get warsoul or rank 8. Statistically speaking, you would most likely see a warsoul/rank 8 before a -interval, crit and good proc skill Blaspheme. In fact there are already a few rank 8s floating around.

    Xbow of sages loses to TT100 IMO. re: badges I am unsure but I think it's:

    Bravery: Ann. Packs
    Str: City of Abom
    Courage: CoA
    Endurance: DT raid
    Speed: Race
    Dexterity: no clue
    Wisdom: no clue

    So, Should I strive for the TT100? Or settle for Constellation: Fall?

    Also, IF I could (Theoretically) find a party able to kill Harpy, is Demonic Whirlwind worth the effort in your opinion?

    EDIT: I meant coins. The coins you would need for Warsoul are ungodly, and thus not even in consideration here. (Though I have to admit I did ponder the Rank 8 bow before lol)
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Asmathi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So, Should I strive for the TT100? Or settle for Constellation: Fall?

    Also, IF I could (Theoretically) find a party able to kill Harpy, is Demonic Whirlwind worth the effort in your opinion?

    EDIT: I meant coins. The coins you would need for Warsoul are ungodly, and thus not even in consideration here. (Though I have to admit I did ponder the Rank 8 bow before lol)

    TT100 IMO.

    I still wouldn't go through all that trouble to get Demonic Whirlwind. I mean it's good, but I would pass up this for LG95. LG95 is probably something you'd want to get your hands on.

    If you can find a consistent good squad for LG runs to farm the green LG85 bow to decompose for LG Blaspheme, then you will have many attempts at rolling a decent one. However, don't expect crit, interval and a proc to be present all in a bow. (the % is so small it's possible you may even see a Guardian of the Realm before the "godly" Blaspheme Shot)
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    these are the best. and, of course, cost the most. there's cheaper alternatives(ie:hh99 green, hh99 gold, fw gold, and random-stat cv)

    there's 4 exceptional xbows in this game;
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8444
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14891
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14892
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/9343(good luck)

    these's 3 exceptional bows:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20363
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/16086
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12649

    there's only 2 slingshots that should ever be used:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8302
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/16092(5% chance to seal for 5 seconds)
  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    What does seal do?
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  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What does seal do?

    You are 89 and you don't know what seal is? Never had a wizard casting force of will on you?
    Seal: makes the target unable to attack.
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  • BerryShock - Lost City
    BerryShock - Lost City Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Rofl @ guy who didnt know wat seal was..

    1 thing i dont understand with all the comotion to do with endgame bows..

    Crimsonhorn Soulsmasher.. with gloom effect.. every1 loves it at lvl 80.. some ppl consider keeping it endgame..
    BUT..
    we hav the Abomination (not sure about spelling) xbow, TT90 green, with Revenge Bonus.. it increases your physical attack but instead of takin 5% Mp it gives you back 5% Hp !!..

    Yet.. ive not seen 1 person with this xbow..!!
    Please if i am missing somthing please fill me in..
  • Viroment - Dreamweaver
    Viroment - Dreamweaver Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    BerryShock - Lost City wrote: »
    Rofl @ guy who didnt know wat seal was..

    1 thing i dont understand with all the comotion to do with endgame bows..

    Crimsonhorn Soulsmasher.. with gloom effect.. every1 loves it at lvl 80.. some ppl consider keeping it endgame..
    BUT..
    we hav the Abomination (not sure about spelling) xbow, TT90 green, with Revenge Bonus.. it increases your physical attack but instead of takin 5% Mp it gives you back 5% Hp !!..

    Yet.. ive not seen 1 person with this xbow..!!
    Please if i am missing somthing please fill me in..


    I was called a noob for wanting it, so yeah let us know what the deal is...
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  • Waterboy - Lost City
    Waterboy - Lost City Posts: 405 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    BerryShock - Lost City wrote: »
    Rofl @ guy who didnt know wat seal was..

    1 thing i dont understand with all the comotion to do with endgame bows..

    Crimsonhorn Soulsmasher.. with gloom effect.. every1 loves it at lvl 80.. some ppl consider keeping it endgame..
    BUT..
    we hav the Abomination (not sure about spelling) xbow, TT90 green, with Revenge Bonus.. it increases your physical attack but instead of takin 5% Mp it gives you back 5% Hp !!..

    Yet.. ive not seen 1 person with this xbow..!!
    Please if i am missing somthing please fill me in..

    is that the mana bow 1?
  • BerryShock - Lost City
    BerryShock - Lost City Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    The Crimsonhorn Soulsmasher (TT80 Gold) has Gloom effect, Takes 5% Mp to increase attack,
    From what i can see the Abomination (TT90 Green) with the Revenge effect is better as it increases attack and Gives back 5% Hp..
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    BerryShock - Lost City wrote: »
    The Crimsonhorn Soulsmasher (TT80 Gold) has Gloom effect, Takes 5% Mp to increase attack,
    From what i can see the Abomination (TT90 Green) with the Revenge effect is better as it increases attack and Gives back 5% Hp..

    In terms of Average Damage-per-Second, Crimson Horn: Soulsmasher is better.

    You can compare here.

    Yes, self-heal is better than losing 5% MP. However, losing 5% MP is not a big deal to archers, and the self-heal is not good enough to offset the loss of damage.

    If you want to go for a TT90 crossbow, go with Blinding Radiance, which deals more damage than both Abomination and Crimson Horn: Soulsmasher.
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    these are the best. and, of course, cost the most. there's cheaper alternatives(ie:hh99 green, hh99 gold, fw gold, and random-stat cv)

    there's 4 exceptional xbows in this game;
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8444
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14891
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14892
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/9343(good luck)

    these's 3 exceptional bows:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20363
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/16086
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12649

    there's only 2 slingshots that should ever be used:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8302
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/16092(5% chance to seal for 5 seconds)
    chris you play too many pservers :P
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    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You are 89 and you don't know what seal is? Never had a wizard casting force of will on you?
    Seal: makes the target unable to attack.
    Its a PvE world. No, i never had a wiz cast it on me.
    It would be the same thing as the plumpfish skill right? I was always told that was called 'silence'.

    Anyways, thanks for clearing that up.
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  • Athalon - Dreamweaver
    Athalon - Dreamweaver Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Viroment - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I was called a noob for wanting it, so yeah let us know what the deal is...

    Viro you are a noob anyways.
  • Asmathi - Sanctuary
    Asmathi - Sanctuary Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Its a PvE world. No, i never had a wiz cast it on me.
    It would be the same thing as the plumpfish skill right? I was always told that was called 'silence'.

    Anyways, thanks for clearing that up.

    Seal = Silence. Pretty much the same thing really.

    And, yes. It is the skill the plumpfish use. (I hate those fish lol)
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  • Oneshotu - Lost City
    Oneshotu - Lost City Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Reaper's Shot: Not even that great in comparison to Lunar bow. The add-ons are so-so.

    Solarhunter: This is even worse. Why bother with an xbow if both the min and max damage is smaller than Lunar bow?

    Demonic Whirlwind: 5 words. Good luck killing Harpy Wraith.

    Blaspheme Shot: This could be better, but the chances of it being better than a Lunar bow is so small and so expensive (from the dex material) you're best off not trying to roll a gold -interval, crit and good "additional skill" OHT bow.

    Constellation: Fall: This is a popular one and a not-so-bad one at that.

    The two Gold Dragonbow: No need to compare. Lunar > both of these.

    In case you still haven't realised, Lunar bow is on the top ranks of "EG" bows. Not much will compare to it (save 3 bows) so I don't know what you were expecting comparing a top of the line grade 13 bow with grade 12 xbows.

    ehhh,i would put endgame bows in this order
    Warsoul bow
    Jun8
    TT100 Xbow
    CV bow
    Demonic Worldwind (Yoshiki in LC had it but then got it taken away cuz the person who got the mat for him dragged harpy wraith into the guard )
    So the Dead guy says "LOL you fail, you didnt even one shot me"
    Nuf said.
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    warsoul
    rank8
    hh100 - cv bow (preference)
    sage xbow
    frost bow - hh99 gold xbow
    gold past bow/xbow with nice stats
  • yeti69
    yeti69 Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/25664
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    What's with all the necro lately? >>
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Necrosis strong with this one.
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Since it's been necrod:

    What's better: HS or rank8 bow? I know the base damage becomes equal when you have +10 HS and +3 rank8 bow, but taking into account the purge proc.... Would you rather use a +7 2xgarnet HS or +7 2xgarnet r8 bow?

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