Solo Quests vs Squad Quests
ldarkwolf
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Now, this is going to look like a "rant" at first, but to get my suggestion, I have to complain about it. I've only been playing for a few months (along with my wife). I have played more MMOrpg's than most people have had jobs. I actually met Gary Gygax (The actual father of ALL MMOrpg's, he created D&D). That should tell you how long I have been playing. I actually quit for a bit, because of what I am going to suggest. I went back to playing GW and UO. UO has not "grown" up yet, so I didn't stay there too long, GW's has you "squad" but they are NPC's and you don't have to rely on friends or others.
Now to my suggestion. The "boss" quests and such are good, but they only benefit the ones in the squad more then they benefit the one that actually needs it. I have "made" better armour, then the stuff I get from the chest, or dropped by these quests. My suggestion is, give 2 different sets of these quests. One that can be solo'd, by those of us that like to solo alot, 5-6 levels after it is given to us, and One that needs to be have a squad. This benefits ALL characters, since they do the solo one, then they can squad and do that one. The "rewards" for the solo won't be as good since it is just 1 character, but, it will give those of us that like this, a sense of pride since we did it ourselves. Secondly, and this is what has my nuggets in an uproar, a level 53 creature running around in FC should NEVER be able to wipe out a character that is 9-10 levels higher than it, with charms, in 2 to 3 hits. I can take level 74 creatures in normal PVE, without a problem, but I get 3 hit by a level 53 (and it wasn't even the boss)? You kind of need to re-think the differences there a bit. I and my wife, have put some serious money into this game. I know others have put more, but just the few months we have played, we've probably put close to $900.00 US into this game. So in essence, I am paying for my "free" account, and am helping them so they can improve the game. I have no problem putting money into the game as long as they pay attention to ALL characters, and not just a select group because they have spent more, or they "brown nose" more. I know there will be "flamers" and there will be complaints about my font "color" choice, but as stated, it's my choice. Again, I'm just asking that the Devs look into allowing soloing. This and the fiasco recently with gold prices, are my only 2 complaints about this game. I really like it, I think they've done a fine job, to an extent, but I know they can get better and make this the best MMOrpg around. I thank you in advance for at least considering this suggestion, and again, I am at this point still a loyal player.
Just a side note, my wife quit playing for this reason, and probably won't come back. Sorry, that's about $400.00 a year you just lost. Not much, but it does affect you. b:angryb:angry
Now to my suggestion. The "boss" quests and such are good, but they only benefit the ones in the squad more then they benefit the one that actually needs it. I have "made" better armour, then the stuff I get from the chest, or dropped by these quests. My suggestion is, give 2 different sets of these quests. One that can be solo'd, by those of us that like to solo alot, 5-6 levels after it is given to us, and One that needs to be have a squad. This benefits ALL characters, since they do the solo one, then they can squad and do that one. The "rewards" for the solo won't be as good since it is just 1 character, but, it will give those of us that like this, a sense of pride since we did it ourselves. Secondly, and this is what has my nuggets in an uproar, a level 53 creature running around in FC should NEVER be able to wipe out a character that is 9-10 levels higher than it, with charms, in 2 to 3 hits. I can take level 74 creatures in normal PVE, without a problem, but I get 3 hit by a level 53 (and it wasn't even the boss)? You kind of need to re-think the differences there a bit. I and my wife, have put some serious money into this game. I know others have put more, but just the few months we have played, we've probably put close to $900.00 US into this game. So in essence, I am paying for my "free" account, and am helping them so they can improve the game. I have no problem putting money into the game as long as they pay attention to ALL characters, and not just a select group because they have spent more, or they "brown nose" more. I know there will be "flamers" and there will be complaints about my font "color" choice, but as stated, it's my choice. Again, I'm just asking that the Devs look into allowing soloing. This and the fiasco recently with gold prices, are my only 2 complaints about this game. I really like it, I think they've done a fine job, to an extent, but I know they can get better and make this the best MMOrpg around. I thank you in advance for at least considering this suggestion, and again, I am at this point still a loyal player.
Just a side note, my wife quit playing for this reason, and probably won't come back. Sorry, that's about $400.00 a year you just lost. Not much, but it does affect you. b:angryb:angry
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if you want to be taken seriously, I'd choose a color that doesnt make peoples' eyes bleed tbh...
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I would apologize, but why? The "color" choice shouldn't have a thing to do with being taken seriously or not.
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I would apologize, but why? The "color" choice shouldn't have a thing to do with being taken seriously or not.
just saying
it hurts the eyes so in other words the dude is saying they won't read it but yeah plz chagne the color it hurts[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0 -
Floyd - Heavens Tear wrote: »it hurts the eyes so in other words the dude is saying they won't read it but yeah plz chagne the color it hurts
1) If I couldn't use the color, it wouldn't be given as a choice. 2) According to their TOS, they Read ALL, it doesn't matter the color and 3) No, my choice. if they have a problem, they'll let me know.0 -
1) If I couldn't use the color, it wouldn't be given as a choice. 2) According to their TOS, they Read ALL, it doesn't matter the color and 3) No, my choice. if they have a problem, they'll let me know.
chillaxe dude just trying to be nice you do know ppl read what you say and how you act it turns ppl away from your idea. and to let you know this game is based on team work thus the reasons you can't solo some quest[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0 -
And this is how a thread gets de-railed instead of focusing on your suggestions.
The 2 most common types of color blindness are red and green. The ratio is about 1 in 12 man and 1 in 217 women have some level of red/green color blindness. By typing in red you are actualy making it more difficult to read than it needs to be.
Using red to type a wall of text is like wearing spandex. Just because you can do it, does not mean you should do it.
Going back on topic. If you wanted to solo with your wife, you should had gone barbarian and have her go cleric. That combo can take on 99.99999% of the game, leaving just very few things that you need an actualy full party to complete.
The game, after all, is a MMO. As you mentioned D&D, do you think it would be much fun for you to play a tabletop D&D game alone?Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »And this is how a thread gets de-railed instead of focusing on your suggestions.
The 2 most common types of color blindness are red and green. The ratio is about 1 in 12 man and 1 in 217 women have some level of red/green color blindness. By typing in red you are actualy making it more difficult to read than it needs to be.
Using red to type a wall of text is like wearing spandex. Just because you can do it, does not mean you should do it.
Going back on topic. If you wanted to solo with your wife, you should had gone barbarian and have her go cleric. That combo can take on 99.99999% of the game, leaving just very few things that you need an actualy full party to complete.
The game, after all, is a MMO. As you mentioned D&D, do you think it would be much fun for you to play a tabletop D&D game alone?
thank you for pointing that out eh my head hurts from all the red[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0 -
Your responses to people's simple requests (not demands) prove that apparently you have no consideration for others. I don't care if i was the most helpful person in the world. Your ATTITUDE, for no apparent purpose, is uncalled for and i wouldn't help even if i could. Just FYI, when someone says plz(please), it means they're asking you politely and shouldn't warrant a nasty or rude response. And you wonder why people don't like to socialize in MMO's, arrogant jerks such as yourself.
But anyway, to your arrogant request...
As IceJazmin said, MMO's are mainly created for people to work together. If you want a game you can solo the whole thing, go play a console game. If you want better rewards for doing solo missions, go play a console game. The whole THEME, is to get you to PLAY NICE WITH OTHERS! Something, i believe, you'd do well learning.0 -
Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »if you want to be taken seriously, I'd choose a color that doesnt make peoples' eyes bleed tbh...
just sayin..
lol yeah I could barely get through the first couple sentences[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Teh_fishey - Dreamweaver wrote: »lol yeah I could barely get through the first couple sentences
lol good at lest i'm not the only 1 and nice sig o.0 lol[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0 -
well.. I don't know where everyone gets the idea that "fuben" (the origination of the term "fb") comes from/means "dungeon" in Chinese - considering all my searching in different translators yielded nothing of the sort. someone on YouTube claims to have found out that it means "iron book" or something of the sort - but no sources cited. The only solid translation I've been able to find of "fuben" in chinese is meaning "copy", "duplicate", or "transcript" (http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?page=worddict&wdrst=1&wdqtm=0&wdqcham=1&wdqt=fuben%0D%0A) - this taking the phrase as a whole as I would assume would be intended considering its always been strung together as such. Now, if one were to look up the words individually, there are some terms that can be applied to our FB instances, namely to come together and help (or something to that effect) Fu Ben of course doing thus leaves things wide open to interpretation, yet regardless none of the combinations mean "dungeon" nor "iron tablet". The best, most solid definition of "fuben" I could locate which actually has any significance to the actual instances would be from Japanese - not chinese - and it means in essence "Inconvenient". As to why the chinese would choose to use a Japanese term in their game, or the Malays for that very matter (A cube room bears the name of Fuben), is beyond me. It may very well not be the Japanese term that was used, but its the one I think that most players would associate withb:laugh. At any rate, if one were to go by these definitions of Fuben, then one realizes that its not supposed to be easily done alone at the time you get your quest. As has been said before, this game is more about teamwork and less so about solo play the entire time. People may as well play a console RPG if that is what they are looking for. Solo play all the time is boring, I like questing in groups.
Moving on. Solo mode instances do in fact exist. Just level up to 60 and you'll be inducted to the wonderful world of Twilight Temple, which boasts a single player mode, as well as a squad mode. quests however must be completed in squad mode. But, this does not prevent you from running amok and having all the solo fun you want inside one of those instances, where the mobs aren't as tough as they are in squad mode. Then, there is also FF which has a solo/squad option.
anyhow, if you are looking at the drops as being the "reward" of your FB, I think you are looking at it wrong. I honestly dont care what drops in there because its just a fake material item. I'm there to have fun, which is the true reward for me.
all that said, your color is fine. people just like to flame bait. I never thought I'd live to see the day when people would make such a big deal out of the color someone uses in their post, much less seeing someone go scientific about it while backing up the people who told you to change what you're doin. just keep doin what you're doin, because all they are really doing is showing how immature they really are to pick out a bit of your post that you said you realized would happen, and totally ignore the meat of it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Toxicus - Harshlands wrote: »Your responses to people's simple requests (not demands) prove that apparently you have no consideration for others. I don't care if i was the most helpful person in the world. Your ATTITUDE, for no apparent purpose, is uncalled for and i wouldn't help even if i could. Just FYI, when someone says plz(please), it means they're asking you politely and shouldn't warrant a nasty or rude response. And you wonder why people don't like to socialize in MMO's, arrogant jerks such as yourself.
But anyway, to your arrogant request...
As IceJazmin said, MMO's are mainly created for people to work together. If you want a game you can solo the whole thing, go play a console game. If you want better rewards for doing solo missions, go play a console game. The whole THEME, is to get you to PLAY NICE WITH OTHERS! Something, i believe, you'd do well learning.
I'll respond to everyone using you. One of the last things I said was, I know someone will complain about the font. Basically that was my nice way of saying DON'T. You assume, because I stated I wouldn't apologize, that I am arrogant and such. Wrong again. I play nice in game, but if people read something and then do what I hinted at not doing, I will not apologize for that. MMO's are NOT just for grouping and as you say Playing nice with other people. It's a game. As far as I am concerned it's used as a distraction an nothing more. Just because I would like more solo quests, doesn't make me arrogant or anything else. You assuming that you know me, and that by making a "blanket" statement it makes you look more intellectual, is as arrogant a statement as you claim I am being. Since you seem to be the biggest QQ'er here, I decided to "play nice" as you say, and not use red. Don't read a thread and then trash it because it's not what YOU think. Or not what you believe. You don't have to post. The others, I will apologize to now, not because of you, but because, I didn't know they would take my statements out of context. I wasn't angry, but since it's typing, you can't see sarcasm, or just plain silliness. Again, except for you, I apologize to the others who thought I was being rude and insensitive. Red is just a big part of me, and unless you know me, I really am not getting into why. I have friends in-game, and I have no problem giving them the rep from the "squaded" quests. I just feel, that there are those of us, whether we number few or many, that would like to have the vairiance there. As far as playing D & D by yourself, they actually had those out. They were called mini dungeons, and they came out before the video game versions did. Most of the friends I have, are in different time zones, and I really don't try to make friends. If I were an arrogant jerk, and I am only saying this to show I am not, I wouldn't have dropped 20 or more Crystalline Magmite eggs in City of the lost, or given them to lower levels, if I were an arrogant jerk. Anyway, as far as solo, I think it may actually bring a larger more diversifed group into this game, and also, make it the largest and most played MMO on the Net. So, If you have any other "flames" to shoot please do NOT do it on this thread. If you do, I will have to report you. If you have valid input, with logical arguments, then I look forward to your posts, otherwise "stand down". And if you could learn to read, you would see I even stated, that the rewards for soloing would NOT be as good as the squad. That means, and I will dumb it down, that I don't expect more from a solo quest, I would just like more solo quests with Bosses.0 -
Now, this is going to look like a "rant" at first, but to get my suggestion, I have to complain about it. I've only been playing for a few months (along with my wife). I have played more MMOrpg's than most people have had jobs. I actually met Gary Gygax (The actual father of ALL MMOrpg's, he created D&D). That should tell you how long I have been playing. I actually quit for a bit, because of what I am going to suggest. I went back to playing GW and UO. UO has not "grown" up yet, so I didn't stay there too long, GW's has you "squad" but they are NPC's and you don't have to rely on friends or others.
Now to my suggestion. The "boss" quests and such are good, but they only benefit the ones in the squad more then they benefit the one that actually needs it. I have "made" better armour, then the stuff I get from the chest, or dropped by these quests. My suggestion is, give 2 different sets of these quests. One that can be solo'd, by those of us that like to solo alot, 5-6 levels after it is given to us, and One that needs to be have a squad. This benefits ALL characters, since they do the solo one, then they can squad and do that one. The "rewards" for the solo won't be as good since it is just 1 character, but, it will give those of us that like this, a sense of pride since we did it ourselves. Secondly, and this is what has my nuggets in an uproar, a level 53 creature running around in FC should NEVER be able to wipe out a character that is 9-10 levels higher than it, with charms, in 2 to 3 hits. I can take level 74 creatures in normal PVE, without a problem, but I get 3 hit by a level 53 (and it wasn't even the boss)? You kind of need to re-think the differences there a bit. I and my wife, have put some serious money into this game. I know others have put more, but just the few months we have played, we've probably put close to $900.00 US into this game. So in essence, I am paying for my "free" account, and am helping them so they can improve the game. I have no problem putting money into the game as long as they pay attention to ALL characters, and not just a select group because they have spent more, or they "brown nose" more. I know there will be "flamers" and there will be complaints about my font "color" choice, but as stated, it's my choice. Again, I'm just asking that the Devs look into allowing soloing. This and the fiasco recently with gold prices, are my only 2 complaints about this game. I really like it, I think they've done a fine job, to an extent, but I know they can get better and make this the best MMOrpg around. I thank you in advance for at least considering this suggestion, and again, I am at this point still a loyal player.
Just a side note, my wife quit playing for this reason, and probably won't come back. Sorry, that's about $400.00 a year you just lost. Not much, but it does affect you. b:angryb:angry
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and meh.. alot of the quests are already soloable
only like one in every 7 or so require help form another player
as for fb's if you had a dungeon and the monster weren't any harder
then it's no fun. if you want those really strong monsters
just pretend they're a really high level
also this is a FREE game
i don't care how much money you waste on it
that is not a reason that they gd's should listen to your
every beck and command
they do their job fix bugs new content
just because someone "chooses" to spend money
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My suggestion is, give 2 different sets of these quests. One that can be solo'd, by those of us that like to solo alot, 5-6 levels after it is given to us, and One that needs to be have a squad. This benefits ALL characters, since they do the solo one, then they can squad and do that one. The "rewards" for the solo won't be as good since it is just 1 character, but, it will give those of us that like this, a sense of pride since we did it ourselves.
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Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »Doesn't this exist already... Twilight Temple?
yeah lol dude needs to relaxe no 1 is going to like his idea due to the way he acts. and the main theme of the game is for all the race to come togethere and fight agianst evil thus the reason for party quest and yes some of them are soloable but there has to be some that arn't[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0 -
Briegg - Sanctuary wrote: »fixed
and meh.. alot of the quests are already soloable
only like one in every 7 or so require help form another player
as for fb's if you had a dungeon and the monster weren't any harder
then it's no fun. if you want those really strong monsters
just pretend they're a really high level
also this is a FREE game
i don't care how much money you waste on it
that is not a reason that they gd's should listen to your
every beck and command
they do their job fix bugs new content
just because someone "chooses" to spend money
doesn't mean they should get anymore attention
than any other player0 -
i understand what you mean and you can solo some bosses but you have to be a real high lvl or some of the mini bosses are soloable but you got to look at how the FB helps others that you need for it. so your not being greedy high lvls always look for FB's to get a few couple free xp to say. and like i said the game is based on helping each other read the back ground story to the game and i'm pretty sure theres a part that goes something like "and now the differnt speices (can't spell the word) must pull together and defeat the evil in the land." and i know you want the boss soloable but most of all the quest are soloble just like 5% of the game quest are not soloable untill a really high lvl i find the idea ok but then again no i don't it's a eh idk type of idea[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0
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MMORPG - massive MULTIPLAYER online role playing game. I think that says it all really. You can solo 90% of your quests and the bosses are easy to solo really until after lvl 30. The actual amount of things you need help with isn't all that much. If you don't think the quest is worth doing, don't do it. The point of quest squads is to get you to work together with others, i really don't see any harm in that.From the darkness of the abyss, ascends a new king.
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I was making a point. I evev pointed out that they should NOT make decisions based solely on monetary spending and such (it is in there if you look). Also if you read, you'll see I was talking about quests with bosses. I just went into TT with my highest level character, and it is only solo to the boss. Chetien *sic* can NOT be solo'd (unless they expect you to have a herc). I am NOT asking or recommending that they change the power of the Bosses. What I did state is that they should re-think the differences of some of the mobs in the fb's. I also did not suggest that they change any of the fb's, just add some more solo quests with bosses in them. A couple of you are reading, but not comprehending, then posting without fully understanding. Please ensure you understand. you are entitled to your input and opinions, just make sure you fully understand, or your input is slightly invalid.
be a veno then. with my (not even full arcane) veno, I solo'd TT 1-1 solo entirely at level 65 with a C Mag as the tank pet. Totally doable. If you want a class that can solo the best - veno is the way to go. Same veno can also solo Fushma (first fb51 boss) at around 68. Odds of soloing bosses are even better if you go full arcane. don't need a herc to solo bosses if you don't mind waiting about 15 levels later than the herc venos would. But you do need to know how to spam heal properly when doing it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Good, my job is done then, i dont expect you to like me or apologize to me. My end goal was to achieve what the others were requesting.. Case closed. Good day!0
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Toxicus - Harshlands wrote: »Good, my job is done then, i dont expect you to like me or apologize to me. My end goal was to achieve what the others were requesting.. Case closed. Good day!
I like red. If you think it hurts the eyes, maybe you need to have your eyes checked. I work with circuit boards, and I have no problem with any of the colors they have. So as I have seen them say in game, you waste of human flesh, you Fail. Now stay off my topic, unless it is topic related.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »And this is how a thread gets de-railed instead of focusing on your suggestions.
The 2 most common types of color blindness are red and green. The ratio is about 1 in 12 man and 1 in 217 women have some level of red/green color blindness. By typing in red you are actualy making it more difficult to read than it needs to be.
Using red to type a wall of text is like wearing spandex. Just because you can do it, does not mean you should do it.
Going back on topic. If you wanted to solo with your wife, you should had gone barbarian and have her go cleric. That combo can take on 99.99999% of the game, leaving just very few things that you need an actualy full party to complete.
The game, after all, is a MMO. As you mentioned D&D, do you think it would be much fun for you to play a tabletop D&D game alone?
I have already answered most off this, but, as you don't know me you also didn't know my father was color blind. They can't discer the colors, ut they can read them. also, it's not because of the color, that people go color blind, it's a hereditary gene, mostly passed to males. Next time, kindly don't bring anything into one of my posts, that does not pertain to the subject matter.0 -
I like red. If you think it hurts the eyes, maybe you need to have your eyes checked. I work with circuit boards, and I have no problem with any of the colors they have. So as I have seen them say in game, you waste of human flesh, you Fail. Now stay off my topic, unless it is topic related.
i don't think that name calling is part of the topic you posted in the suggestion part your going to get hate and liking of your idea if you can't handle it i suggest you clsoe your thread if you can't take it and i believe you don't i believe you make the red to make ppl mad already ppl don't like your idea on how you act towards us so your wasting your time have a nice dayb:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0 -
AscendedKing - Sanctuary wrote: »MMORPG - massive MULTIPLAYER online role playing game. I think that says it all really. You can solo 90% of your quests and the bosses are easy to solo really until after lvl 30. The actual amount of things you need help with isn't all that much. If you don't think the quest is worth doing, don't do it. The point of quest squads is to get you to work together with others, i really don't see any harm in that.
Exactly Massive Multi-PLAYER, not squad, group etc. I understand the backstory, to the game and I am not trying to change it. I am merely suggesting alternatives in the game. I don't normally play female characters. It goes against everything I play these games for. I like pets, so this is the first game I've actually broken my own cardinal "sin" in. I have just noticed that once at level 60 the XP is ****, whether using Esotericas or not. I'm just looking for more soloable quests, when you've done all the normal ones offered, and are waiting for your friends to come on to do the FB's. I can't even solo any of the FC quests I have been given, because a lvl 53 crit in there 2 hits me. By the way my Veno is 63, and I get 0.06 - .11 % every kill, and that's killing things 5+ her level. With an xp scroll .12 - .17 xp per kill. Kind of sucks to be level 60.
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Exactly Massive Multi-PLAYER, not squad, group etc. I understand the backstory, to the game and I am not trying to change it. I am merely suggesting alternatives in the game. I don't normally play female characters. It goes against everything I play these games for. I like pets, so this is the first game I've actually broken my own cardinal "sin" in. I have just noticed that once at level 60 the XP is ****, whether using Esotericas or not. I'm just looking for more soloable quests, when you've done all the normal ones offered, and are waiting for your friends to come on to do the FB's. I can't even solo any of the FC quests I have been given, because a lvl 53 crit in there 2 hits me. By the way my Veno is 63, and I get 0.6 - 1.1 % every kill, and that's killing things 5+ her level. With an xp scroll 1.2 - 1.7 xp per kill. Kind of sucks to be level 60.
welcome to the world of high lvls buddy the XP starts getting worse and worse the quest start going away you get like what 5 quest max pre lvl that only get you like 10% of your lvl and 90% of all the quest are soloable just not all the bosses are the 10% that aren't soloable i'm pretty sure they are going to keep it that way man[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0 -
Toxicus, I've asked then i told, now you're done....Stay off my thread with your inane, imbecilic ramblings that have nothing to do with the threads subject matter.0
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Toxicus, I've asked then i told, now you're done....Stay off my thread with your inane, imbecilic ramblings that have nothing to do with the threads subject matter.
we just trying to help you get other ppl on your topic man thats all we trying to do instead of going off on us just relaxe and try it out and some of the ppl have talked about the subject matter here[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] shed no tears, show no fear0 -
Haven't seen so much trolling in a Suggestion box thread in a while. Closing this the GM's will still see and read it.
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