Spells Math Not Working?

Tawnos - Dreamweaver
Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
edited September 2009 in General Discussion
This is a little complex question so please read the whole thing and take a look at all the images before answering.

On this image you can see my character sheet:

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On this image you can see a mob sheet:

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On this image you can see my GUSH sheet:

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On this image you can see my Pyrogram sheet:

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  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    On this image you can see my damage produced by attackin the mob with Gush:

    PIC5.jpg

    On this image you can see my damage produced by attackin another mob of the same type, level and stats with my Pyrogram:

    PIC6.jpg


    Ok! And now the question. If you readed my spells information you will notice that my Gush is expected to do more damage than my pyrogram if elemental resistance is not taken in consideration. Also if I am to atack a water type mob Gush should be stronger since the fire (pyrogram) is week against water.

    However as you can see in the pictures Pyrogram is doing more damage than Gush. I tryed this several times and I always get similar results.

    Can anybody please explain me what is going on?
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    i dont see the pics
  • Bundamole - Lost City
    Bundamole - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    i dont see the pics

    water mobs are strong against water attacks. thats why gush is doing little damage.

    Pyro does not get damage reduction for attacking a water mob. it would if u attacked a fire mob, and would get a bonus if u attacked a metal mob.
  • Bundamole - Lost City
    Bundamole - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    oh, i quoted the wrong stuff. how noob i am.

    and double posted too. bite me.
  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    i dont see the pics

    Try again I verifyed them
  • Musiku - Heavens Tear
    Musiku - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    the mobs element shows what attacks it resistant to, fire is weak to water attacks meaning you'll do more dmg to fire mobs with a water attack and to metal mobs with fire attacks get what im saying. think of it this way is adding water to water really gonna hurt the water much lol.
  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Bundamole - Lost City wrote: »
    water mobs are strong against water attacks. thats why gush is doing little damage.

    Thats is the problem! Gush IS NOT DOING LITTLE is doing more than pyro
    Bundamole - Lost City wrote: »
    Pyro does not get damage reduction for attacking a water mob.

    So fire week against water what means?
  • Musiku - Heavens Tear
    Musiku - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Thats is the problem! Gush IS NOT DOING LITTLE is doing more than pyro



    So fire week against water what means?

    but thats not what the picture shows, it shows gush doing less then pyro
  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Musiku - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    the mobs element shows what attacks it resistant to, fire is weak to water attacks meaning you'll do more dmg to fire mobs with a water attack and to metal mobs with fire attacks get what im saying. think of it this way is adding water to water really gonna hurt the water much lol.

    Exactly but if fire is week against water! Why I get more damage by attacking the mob with fire when the mobs is water type! Shouldnt the fire be weaker since FIRE IS WEAK AGAINST WATER?
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/1044

    pwdatabase isnt always accurate, but going off that id say your damage is what it should be.

    pwdatabase says that the riptide turtle has 190 water resist, and 117 fire resist, and seeing how gush should do more than pyrogram at lvl 4, you have to equate that 190 water resist, which would bring the damage lower than pyrogram.
  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Musiku - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    but thats not what the picture shows, it shows gush doing less then pyro

    Sorry I missundertood the post! However the question remains! If water is weak against water. Shouldnt fire be even weaker since FIRE IS WEAK AGAINST Water is the label?
  • Musiku - Heavens Tear
    Musiku - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    yes i know but thats how the game mechanics work i see its a lil confusing but the element is menat to helpu gain an advantage in extra attack over the pet. say u use an earth attack it should do more dmg then any of them because water is weak to earth attacks
  • Musiku - Heavens Tear
    Musiku - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    mob not pet
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Exactly but if fire is week against water! Why I get more damage by attacking the mob with fire when the mobs is water type! Shouldnt the fire be weaker since FIRE IS WEAK AGAINST WATER?

    This is pwi, not pokeeman. Water spells do more damage to fire mobs, yes. But fire isnt weak on water mobs. You are thinking of resistance, which works differently in other games.. like pokeeman
  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/1044

    pwdatabase isnt always accurate, but going off that id say your damage is what it should be.

    pwdatabase says that the riptide turtle has 190 water resist, and 117 fire resist, and seeing how gush should do more than pyrogram at lvl 4, you have to equate that 190 water resist, which would bring the damage lower than pyrogram.

    Thanks a lot now I get it Better!
  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Musiku - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yes i know but thats how the game mechanics work i see its a lil confusing but the element is menat to helpu gain an advantage in extra attack over the pet. say u use an earth attack it should do more dmg then any of them because water is weak to earth attacks

    Thanks very informative! So you mean if the mob is water type water is the work possible attack not fire. And Earth will be the best attack. Right?
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Thanks very informative! So you mean if the mob is water type water is the work possible attack not fire. And Earth will be the best attack. Right?

    water mobs: Water attacks do the least damage, Earth does more damage than any other type.
    Fire mobs: Water attacks do the most damage, Fire does very little damage than other types.
    earth mobs: Wood does the most damage, earth attacks do little.


    etc,etc
  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    This is pwi, not pokeeman. Water spells do more damage to fire mobs, yes. But fire isnt weak on water mobs. You are thinking of resistance, which works differently in other games.. like pokeeman

    I get it thanks a lot! But I have never played pokeeman b:laugh
  • Tawnos - Dreamweaver
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    water mobs: Water attacks do the least damage, Earth does more damage than any other type.
    Fire mobs: Water attacks do the most damage, Fire does very little damage than other types.
    earth mobs: Wood does the most damage, earth attacks do little.


    etc,etc

    This is the answer I was looking for! Thanks!
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This is the answer I was looking for! Thanks!

    no problem, rule of thumb to remember: if a mob has an element, avoid using that element of attack.

    Im unfamiliar with mages, but as you level I think certain spells will do more damage than other elements regardless of the mobs' type.

    Divine pyrogram, when u get the skill, for example might do more damage on a fire mob than gush. It all depends <_<
  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Yeah, on the second screeny, with the mob types, it means if the mob's FIRE type it's weak against water (as in, if you use a water attack it would do more damage). This mob's a water mob, so earth attacks do more damage (and water does less).
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sorry I missundertood the post! However the question remains! If water is weak against water. Shouldnt fire be even weaker since FIRE IS WEAK AGAINST Water is the label?

    Elemental Resistances are not like in most RPGs in this game. In fact it would be better to attack water mobs with EARTH MAGICAL ATTACKS because water mobs have: strong resistance vs water; "normal" resistance vs fire, wood, metal; and weak resistance vs earth.

    To beat mobs aligned to FIRE you wil want to use WATER attacks

    To beat mobs aligned to METAL you will want to use FIRE attacks

    To beat mobs aligned to WOOD you will want to use METAL attacks

    To beat mobs aligned to EARTH you will want to use WOOD attacks

    and like I had said before:

    To beats mobs aligned to WATER you will want to use EARTH attacks
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Tawnos - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sorry I missundertood the post! However the question remains! If water is weak against water. Shouldnt fire be even weaker since FIRE IS WEAK AGAINST Water is the label?

    You have it backwards. [FIRE] MONSTER would be weak to WATER attacks. Its NOT FIRE attacks weak to WATER monsters. The [WATER] mob as listed in the popup, would be weak to earth attacks, & strong to its own elemental attack (of water). Thereby, Gush would be the most resisted, fire on a water mob is average resisted, and earth would be the least resisted.

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