Monsters: What Gives?

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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Saveless - Harshlands wrote: »
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How long did it take you to rainbow each & every letter in this post?

    It's a secret. And I don't color each word...try doing that, it won't look the same. :)

    I said letter, not word. :p
  • Saveless - Harshlands
    Saveless - Harshlands Posts: 664 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I said letter, not word. :p

    Close enough.
  • Altros - Sanctuary
    Altros - Sanctuary Posts: 408 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Rainbow happy fun time :D
    "No matter how dark the world is,
    light shall exist somewhere,
    even if only a small sliver,
    a light found among darkness,
    shines all the brighter." -unknown
  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Altros - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Rainbow happy fun time :D

    I wonder how long until this gets banned on the forums...
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  • Altros - Sanctuary
    Altros - Sanctuary Posts: 408 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Aadi - Lost City wrote: »
    I wonder how long until this gets banned on the forums...

    who knows...could be fun while it lasts tho lol
    "No matter how dark the world is,
    light shall exist somewhere,
    even if only a small sliver,
    a light found among darkness,
    shines all the brighter." -unknown
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  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    the only point "interesting" addressed in the OP question is:

    why do bosses only gets higher HP/ damages.

    thats not entirely true

    there is a big difference between running 3.1 and 3.2 in squad mode.(steelation, colluast... )

    but do they need to have 10% increase in damage/Hp with the change in tactics?
    I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

    Rules= Know your enemy (players and NPCs) gives you more chances to survive.
  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Well I do have seen some games with a little bit of AI but then again its just a simple macro which can easily be predicted/deciphered/understood by most players (who have a little bit of observation skills) when they fight against it a couple of times.

    Being a developer myself, I have thought about it and do see some major obstacles in making monsters "think". If you wish them to be just as strong as players then one they would need to think/act like players. This would mean they would require a learning AI of sorts thereby allowing them to counter player strategies. And if the monster is a learning thing, then the first you fight it, it would be easy while the second time it would be a little more difficult as it wouldve seen what each of the classes do.

    Thoughts of an intelligent boss/mob:-
    1.) Dang, I am running low on mana/health, lemme pot. Oh ****!!! I forgot to go to town to buy pots.
    2.) Damn these humans, making my charm tick. *Opens PW Boutique after getting killed* buys 10 hp charms. MUHAHAHAHAAH!!!! Now lets see how those humans kill me.
    3.) Dang why am I wearing this ****ty armour? Let me upgrade it and socket it with Citrine Gems. *Puts up a shop Archosaur stating Buying Citrine Gems ..Load of them*
    4.) *Looking are 4 lvl95 pro players* My god, these guys killed me 3 times already!!! *Teleports to a city puts up a shop to buy above mentioned citrine gems and selling drops for ridiculous prizes* .... *Messages players stating they cant kill him now* LMAO
    5.) *Sees a squad taking out the smaller mobs in the boss room* Oh so these wise cracks think they can clear the room and then attack me? I am not gonna give them the chance. *Starts attacking the squad after calling all the other monsters near by to attack instead of sitting there dumb*

    Although it would be fun to have monsters think like humans, it might be too much to ask since it would require a lot of programming. The easiest way to ensure we players come up with strategies is to ensure the mob is powerful and have loads of hp thereby forcing players to gang up on them.

    Till date the best AI I have seen in a MMO is that of a boss group in another game. The boss group consists of a tank, a cleric, 2 range DDs and 2 melee DDs which appear together. Now the cleric heals the other bosses when their HP drops below a limit while keeping itself in a protective barrier. Apart from all this, they have huge HP and atk which is extremely scary. In addition they summon 4 clones of themselves to aid in attacking. At best they can hold their ground for sometime but even after that players eventually learn under what conditions what skills are cast reducing the so called AI to a mere macro which was intelligently coded. So at best, theyre Macros which are a little hard to decipher. As surprising as it might be, they were taken down by a mere 4 member team who obviously were high lvled and stuff.
  • LeirtA - Lost City
    LeirtA - Lost City Posts: 213 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    WOOTS! I gots rainbow too!
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  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Thoughts of an intelligent boss/mob:-
    1.) Dang, I am running low on mana/health, lemme pot. Oh ****!!! I forgot to go to town to buy pots.
    2.) Damn these humans, making my charm tick. *Opens PW Boutique after getting killed* buys 10 hp charms. MUHAHAHAHAAH!!!! Now lets see how those humans kill me.
    3.) Dang why am I wearing this ****ty armour? Let me upgrade it and socket it with Citrine Gems. *Puts up a shop Archosaur stating Buying Citrine Gems ..Load of them*
    4.) *Looking are 4 lvl95 pro players* My god, these guys killed me 3 times already!!! *Teleports to a city puts up a shop to buy above mentioned citrine gems and selling drops for ridiculous prizes* .... *Messages players stating they cant kill him now* LMAO
    5.) *Sees a squad taking out the smaller mobs in the boss room* Oh so these wise cracks think they can clear the room and then attack me? I am not gonna give them the chance. *Starts attacking the squad after calling all the other monsters near by to attack instead of sitting there dumb*

    Oh god lmao. b:chuckleb:chuckle
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  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    They have already implemented less powerful monsters that fight with more tricks. Just go to frostlands and you will get interesting fights.
    Why aren't there more of these types of fight. Obviously they take more work to code.

    +1

    Frostlands for the win!
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