Guide request: Fist bm

Reane - Sanctuary

any one got one of these/have some advice? i know fists are one of the rarest builds in pw, but ive heard next to nothing about them other than pve, pve, pve... anyways, any input for build/armor etc would be appreciated b:thanks

bigxbear

u don't really see much on fist builds cause they don't really show their full potential till higher lvls, and thats y most just restat at 90+. as far as armor goes every bm should be heavy cause they're in melee combat and take mostly physical dmg. as far as their skill tree, u only really need fist mastery and cyclone kick, so their the cheapest skill wise. also u can use low lvl bows for ranged attacks =P.

stat per lvl for heavy fist:
str= 2.5
dex= 2
vit(extra)=.5

Ophelius - Dreamweaver

Generally, fist BMs want more speed rather than strength. You want to cap your strength (gasp! Personal opinion, nothing more) at around 250, which you will get at about 100 if you run a pure 5/5 build. Other than that, just look for equips that reduce the interval between attacks and increase str, dex, and crit chance. Refining your equipment will give you the HP you lack. b:victory

QTKyuubi - Sanctuary

I keep reposting the same information i thinkbut I haven't had time to write a proper guide so here are some pointers I have to share.

When statting I tend to keep up with my armor first and then top up my dex just before I switch to the next lvl weapon as the strength gives me more def/attk bonus and equipping ability, for heavy armor then the 10-15 dex would before I get the weapon that requires it.

This isn't the be all end just my learnings so far.

QTKyuubi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I am a fist bm, on my other main, so i thought I would share what the advantage here is. As you say fist are definately great for PVE, my faction loves me b:cute; Attack strength is lower but DPS is highest out of all weapons. Fist BM's are all about fast attack rate, endless sparks. and crit, crit, crit.

Regular autoattack, fists hit .5 time more per second then axe/bm so to compare damage you would times fist attack by 1.5, ontop of that you get what will be your main fist AOE cyclone heal ( which increase your attack rate further.

Bosses
Usually I do Double spark eruption, cyclone heel, auto attack, (now you can either use your next spark, or one more cyclone heal auto attack to get a second spark, repeat, constantly, for TT bosses I like to couple this with an elemental damage powder the boss is weak too. Insane DPS, higher then the other BM weapons and I usually end up tanking most bosses if the other tank is another bm within 10 levels because of this b:chuckle

More DPS
Fist take the fullest advantage of element damage powders,imo, because of their high attk/s. But it's just as you said great for PVE. I don't play pvp but another fist bm has posted some really good information for those who want to know i will try to find the link tonight.

As mentioned, whirlwind cloud further increases dps by increasing attack rate.
In addition Fire drakes breath(? again will double check, not in game right now) Uses two sparks and adds fire damage to your attack

Demon spark eruption increases attack and attack rate + cyclone heel = pve beast? o.O

Stating and Leveling
Personaly, I started as polearm in early lvls because of it's range, and switched to fist around lvl 48-50 and never looked back. Once you get your first TT fists it's all on b:cool

Typical build for fist bm, is stat as per your equiptment and get your VIT to 50 early in the game as feasible. Stating is a bit of a juggle in the start, I did as equiptment required and hold on to some -15% req, and +DEX +STR equipt while upping my vit. I had my vit at 50 by lvl 50.

STR 3-2 - DEX 1-2 VIT Whatever you can spare.
After that add str and dex as required for your gear.
Fist/Axe is STR 3 DEX 2 VIT 0.

I am not a fists rule / some other weapon drool but I wanted to make sure the information is here for players who want to play fist and usually get told off with out help b:surrender

Bow
Off topic of fist, BM's can make very good use of carrying around a bow to pluck out mage mobs in some of trickier mag mob areas. You wouldn't use it as your regular weapon by anymeans but it is handy to have even if lvl1

Was in a bit of a hurry to write this so I'll refine later and add some more specific information about skills for you

Another note as fist you will probably find you don't use as many skills as the other weapon mastery trees. Mainly focussing on skills for increasing attack speed and spark to drill in the dmg. I've also noticed quite a lot of Fist/Axe players on the forums and fist are fairly popular amidst the archer population as secondary melee weapon.

Hippie - Harshlands

Reane - Sanctuary wrote: »

any one got one of these/have some advice? i know fists are one of the rarest builds in pw, but ive heard next to nothing about them other than pve, pve, pve... anyways, any input for build/armor etc would be appreciated b:thanks

thats like any other bm... just use heavy armor, for pve gloom/revenge and such, for pvp - interwal stacked. thats all. (dont use zerk fists)

Reane - Sanctuary

thanks for all the replies ppl

Swamq - Lost City

uh.. for those who know me im a pure fist bm lost city serverb:victory i will be making a fist bm guide but not anytime soon alot to write down n wut not but its mostly just str for Heavy armor then rest goes to dex as for the pvp part well what can u say about that your chi based so always have chi for sutras fist bm isnt that great for pvp untill later lvls about 80 or 90 out last the other person by healing (duh) then stun and interupt up like crazy by then i would be using wind sheild to speed up attacks and give more evasion with 1 spark to make me hit harder 2 if u got enough chi for sutra to stack on it not so much focusd on that many skills pvp wise unless u just want to scare the other guy but pvp is alot harder for fist bms can tell you that much mail me on the fourms if u need anything else really dont like to post about fist bms that much untill the guide is done

Esque - Lost City

Swamq - Lost City wrote: »

uh.. for those who know me, im a pure fist bm (lost city serverb:victory). i will be making a fist bm guide, but not anytime soon. a lot to write down n wut not, but its mostly just str for Heavy armor then rest goes to dex. as for the pvp part, well, what can u say about that? you're chi based so always have chi for sutras. fist bm isnt that great for pvp untill later lvls -- about 80 or 90 -- out last the other person by healing (duh), then stun, and interupt up like crazy. by then i would be using wind sheild to speed up attacks and give more evasion with 1 spark to make me hit harder. 2 if u got enough chi for sutra to stack on it. not so much focusd on that many skills pvp wise, unless u just want to scare the other guy. but pvp is alot harder for fist bms, can tell you that much. mail me on the fourms if u need anything else. really dont like to post about fist bms that much untill the guide is done

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prof

few things you need to know about fist:

1. your build is 3:2(str:agi) indefinitely. put any con and you're useless
2. your damage comes from crits and speed, stack as much of it as possible
3. you cannot play purely-fist, combo with axes
3a. you need 5 skills for this type of wr: drakeswift(single fury stun), heaven flames, cyclone kick, auric barrier, and lions roar. those are your "key" skills.
4b. other useful skills include the fist doom, which makes fighting other heavy classes much easier. shadowless kick, which can cancel chanting(mostly pve oriented). axe and fist passives. and then, of course, your 2 axes aoes, all tree aoe and fan aoe are all important for grinding
5. as said earlier by someone else, with much more agi you can use a bow. this is useful in its own way. for instance, when a wf is running away or a mage blinks away and they're low hp -> use a bow

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Umm... don't forget about Shadowless Kick... it can be used to cancel channeling.

Esque - Lost City wrote: »

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