pve charms and pvp shields

KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear
KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
edited September 2009 in Suggestion Box
charms make pvp a hastle and actually really boring....how do you deal with a full tank barb with a charm? use 3 DD's and another barb to debuff? oo thats so much fun....
a pvp shield is an extra bar above ur hp used to withstand dmg in pk mode (cannot be changed by equips only by your amount of vit)direct dmg like magic and physical attacks will hit ur shield till its gone. effects like poison/bleed dmg will go thru ur shield and hit ur hp while the base attacks hit ur shield. Usually ur shield is bigger and stronger than ur hp so take that into consideration. this will make pk fights endable lol. and more exciting this will also help with the fact that venos are way OVERPOWERED!!!!!!!! ...pwi if u havent realized that by now im not sure ur even watchin the game....
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  • Zalum - Heavens Tear
    Zalum - Heavens Tear Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I'm a Veno and i almost never feel overpowerd unless they kill my pet..... then i just swich from weapon to weapon till i find one that delivers the pain.... while useing Super heal food items to keep myself alive.
  • KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear
    KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    ur lv35 wait till ur 80 u will c how overpowered u guys r and im talkin pvp not pve...which makes no difference anyways cuz venos solo TT's all th timeb:shutup
  • Keita - Heavens Tear
    Keita - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Not a good idea, especially basing it on vit. Do you know how many venos of around my level that have a lot of vit?
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ur lv35 wait till ur 80 u will c how overpowered u guys r and im talkin pvp not pve...which makes no difference anyways cuz venos solo TT's all th timeb:shutup

    Yeah venos are overpowered, but so is every other class if played properly. That's what makes pvp balanced here. EVERY class is overpowered! Most people just don't know how to play well enough to see it.

    As for the reason I'm posting here, I like this idea. A shield that needs to be taken down before you can really damage them. It has to have a very long recharge time or it will simply act like an HP charm and that is what you are trying to avoid.
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  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I have to agree that I like this idea.

    To me charms almost kill PvP to me. Charms are one of the reasons you can't usually have smaller lvls taking on a higher lvl.

    For example, me and a few other lvl 60-70s were attacking a lvl 89 for the fun of it. Everytime we would almost kill him... then his charm would tick, and negate all the trouble we had gone through.

    And like the OP said, charms on a barb with over 8k hp is just ridiculous. That means you either have to one-shot him (especially hard for lower lvls ganging up on him) or hit him until his charm ticks... rinse and repeat.

    It just seems to me that charms were originally to replace potions for PvE. Not as instant heal during PvP that turns it into a contest of who's charm ticks first instead of skill.
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  • Sakuraaaaaaa - Lost City
    Sakuraaaaaaa - Lost City Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I just thought of a problem with this idea if it damages your shield instead of your HP then if your fighting mobs they also would damage your shield making it impossible to die because charms heal you when you reach 50%, 75%, and such hp and a shield just absorbs the damage and then you just need to wait a little while for it to recharge.
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  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Sakuraaaaaaa - Lost City wrote: »
    I just thought of a problem with this idea if it damages your shield instead of your HP then if your fighting mobs they also would damage your shield making it impossible to die because charms heal you when you reach 50%, 75%, and such hp and a shield just absorbs the damage and then you just need to wait a little while for it to recharge.

    It would have to be programed so that the monsters damage would be dealt to the hp like normal and bypass the shield. Basically only player damage dealt can hurt the shield.
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  • ColdSteele - Lost City
    ColdSteele - Lost City Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    quit QQ. it's pvp it's supposed to be hard and based on experience. Stop trying to make things easier. Either figure out how to take out someone with a charm or don't pvp. They're not gonna make an alternative charm. it's probly their best cs item other than mounts
    It's too bad but "free to play, pay to win"-sckye

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  • Sakuraaaaaaa - Lost City
    Sakuraaaaaaa - Lost City Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    If the damage from mobs when through your shield then what about charms? If a mob did damage to you it would hit your HP and heal you when you reached a certain amount. So you would basically be getting ride of charms to make a shield thats only good in PvP? Sounds stupid to me, also I do agree stop QQ about PvP (whatever QQ means, I think i know at least) just any nub that PKs lower levels stop, if lower levels is all you can PK get off the server.
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  • KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear
    KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    pvp shield have u guys ever played an mmo b4? its used everywhere
    shield does not get dmg'd by mobs so charm wouldnt change anything....
    AND venos r overpowered bcuz they can heal completely hp or mp they can BUY a pet that can stun and as much dmg as them...they can take off ur buffs...they can stun.....posion....send back basically all of ur dmg at you...wtf is the point of pk mode? charms kill the competition...
  • Deathsscion - Sanctuary
    Deathsscion - Sanctuary Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    pvp shield have u guys ever played an mmo b4? its used everywhere
    shield does not get dmg'd by mobs so charm wouldnt change anything....
    AND venos r overpowered bcuz they can heal completely hp or mp they can BUY a pet that can stun and as much dmg as them...they can take off ur buffs...they can stun.....posion....send back basically all of ur dmg at you...wtf is the point of pk mode? charms kill the competition...

    This is turning into another "Venos are overpowered" thread.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Deathsscion - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is turning into another "Venos are overpowered" thread.

    And you are surprized because???
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  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    KamalloKhan - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    pvp shield have u guys ever played an mmo b4? its used everywhere
    shield does not get dmg'd by mobs so charm wouldnt change anything....
    AND venos r overpowered bcuz they can heal completely hp or mp they can BUY a pet that can stun and as much dmg as them...they can take off ur buffs...they can stun.....posion....send back basically all of ur dmg at you...wtf is the point of pk mode? charms kill the competition...

    *sigh* Why did the OP have to bring up venos? That always turns it into a flame thread.
    ColdSteele - Lost City wrote: »
    quit QQ. it's pvp it's supposed to be hard and based on experience. Stop trying to make things easier. Either figure out how to take out someone with a charm or don't pvp. They're not gonna make an alternative charm. it's probably their best cs item other than mounts

    While true that the charms are probably their best cs item. I know many people (at least of PvE servers) that buy them just for PvE, especially with all these bhs to do now.

    And I agree. Yes, PvP should be hard and require skill, but charmed vs. uncharmed player of the same class & lvl requires no skill on the part to the charmed person.

    I'm not saying make pking easy for anyone to do. I'm saying make it reasonable, the difference between charmed and not charm is ridiculous. Charms also make it the level differences in pking that much more severe. Tell me how it makes any sense that a high lvl character can stand there afk while 4 or so lower lvls (and we're only talking maybe 20 lvls) (yes I know that sounds like a lot but so is 4 to 1) hit him and not have to worry about dying? Why? Because his CHARM will tick before he dies, even if he only has a few hundred hp left, and all the effort the lower lvls went through is ERASED.

    A shield will make where it'll take longer than it would without a charm, but all the trouble you went through is wasted because a item AUTOMATICALLY saved the other character's life and healed them completely. The damage dealt is still felt and not removed instantaneously.

    And ColdSteele, maybe as a compromise, make the shields a CS item like the charms to offset the loss of charm sells. Yes, while this will still make a difference between shielded and non-shielded, I believe it'll be a much more reasonable difference than what charms make atm.
    Sakuraaaaaaa - Lost City wrote: »
    If the damage from mobs when through your shield then what about charms? If a mob did damage to you it would hit your HP and heal you when you reached a certain amount. So you would basically be getting ride of charms to make a shield thats only good in PvP? Sounds stupid to me, also I do agree stop QQ about PvP (whatever QQ means, I think i know at least) just any nub that PKs lower levels stop, if lower levels is all you can PK get off the server.

    The OP did not say get rid of charms completely, they would still be usuable to PvE fighting.

    I'm sure there's typos galore in there, but this tell me your opinions now. b:surrender
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