PKing in Secret Passage

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

PWE really should make all the servers PVE, and once you got to level 80+, than you would have an option to go to a PVP server.....

This is very wrong,the fun of a pvp server is supposed to start since 30 + . Fighting for your lvls,taking zhen/grind spots away from others,loosing them after 30 mins 1 hour ,fighting for them again etc.

It used to be like this ,now every1 just goes carebearing on a PVP server till high lvl.

It's been said before,to do something about the higher lvl pking lowbies would be to add a system which holds penalties pking lower lvl characters and I don't mean bans.

Seriously it's so easy to get banned in this game,instead of banning ppl all the time they should work more on the game.


And about pking in a PVE server,it's kinda **** ... Some ppl just turn blue to get away,and some carebear non-stop blue named and you can't do anything about it. And I mean high lvls ,not lowbies.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary wrote: »

And about pking in a PVE server,it's kinda **** ... Some ppl just turn blue to get away,and some carebear non-stop blue named and you can't do anything about it. And I mean high lvls ,not lowbies.

Proud carebear here...

There's a time-lock on going white-named. I think it's 12 hours. So ppl can't just turn it on and off indiscriminately.

I played on a PvP server and didn't like being PK'd constantly by the same PK squads hanging around hidden orchid. So I switched over to PvE.

Starr - Harshlands

Saveless - Sanctuary wrote: »

False. Pretty much if you kill someone in SP on Harshlands, you're automatically qualified as "griefing" them and are immediately banned.

quoted for truth. i remember when that happened to a few different people on HL. i have to admit that i was totally shocked. how can you get into trouble to pk ing on a PVP server? even if you do camp and pk the same person 1000 times in row. pretty much eliminates having kos on anyone.
hi Savelessb:flower

exent

ColdSteele - Lost City wrote: »

No, it's not bannable for pking somebody doing a quest, because it's impossible to tell when people are questing or simply wandering around. But when people camp in SP killing everything that comes in. It makes it impossible for the lowers to finish their quest. That is the illegal part. Simply killing someone while doing a quest is just random pk, but camping in a known questing spot and not allowing people to pass is illegal.

If this happens just take a screen shot and send it to pw.

Yea, that's what I was saying. There is a difference between harrassing someone and killing someone.

I mean are we supposed to ask ''Excuse me, but what level are you? Oh, well in that case, can I interest you in some PKing?''

I used to play on a PvP server as well, and yes, I got PKed many many times doing quests and stuff, but it was my choice of being on a PvP server (Malaysian server). I never complained about it. These high level PKers actually got quite a reputation about PKing lower levels (anyone from there knows about Zorkan and Mitsuye). I was part of the PK fun, they were the serial killers of the server...

Then again, and I'm saying this again, there is a difference between harrassing and PKing. Sending a ticket cause you were killing by some guy once is ridiculous...

Also, if they want to make it illegal to PK in SP on a PvP server, they should just make it a safe zone.

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Proud carebear here...

There's a time-lock on going white-named. I think it's 12 hours. So ppl can't just turn it on and off indiscriminately.

I played on a PvP server and didn't like being PK'd constantly by the same PK squads hanging around hidden orchid. So I switched over to PvE.

It's 10 hours,and some just go afk during that time. Well on pvp servers it's usually the players that start 1st few days/weeks when the server's out that will enjoy the most of it. Starting too late is gonna be hell .

DarkSniper - Lost City

It's part of the whole PvP server thing. Don't like it? leave.

People make it sound like were slaughtering lowbies all day and nothing else, I can go to SP almost anytime and see absolutely no PKers, go to hidden orched, no PKers. And if I want to kill someone in SP then that's my right to do so, I dealt with PKers when I was lower levels, now they deal with me.

Svenchan - Harshlands

As they say if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

Its your choice to go on a PvP server. Yeah there's those ppl who choose pvp serves by accident (ironically im one of them) but if you don't like it, go pve. I just sucked it up and deal with it. Pking really doesn't hurt you (well unless the mob you facing gets your first) In SP ive nvr been pked. Sure there's been red names there but its all about knowing what to do. I just act goofy and they let me by.

Although there has been a few times that i hated campers for not letting me lvl. But then i remember there name so when i do lvl i can go after them. There's also the always lovely call your faction in.

BratFury - Heavens Tear

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is very wrong,the fun of a pvp server is supposed to start since 30 + . Fighting for your lvls,taking zhen/grind spots away from others,loosing them after 30 mins 1 hour ,fighting for them again etc.

It used to be like this ,now every1 just goes carebearing on a PVP server till high lvl.

It's been said before,to do something about the higher lvl pking lowbies would be to add a system which holds penalties pking lower lvl characters and I don't mean bans.

Seriously it's so easy to get banned in this game,instead of banning ppl all the time they should work more on the game.


And about pking in a PVE server,it's kinda **** ... Some ppl just turn blue to get away,and some carebear non-stop blue named and you can't do anything about it. And I mean high lvls ,not lowbies.

You can't just turn pk on and off. There is a time limit. Once you go into pk mode you can't just go back out.

exent wrote: »

Yea, that's what I was saying. There is a difference between harrassing someone and killing someone.

Thats what we've all agreed to but apparently some ppl don't know the difference. Especially those who have the mentality its a pk server ppl did it to me, so I'm going to do it to others. "rolls eyes" thats something my 5 year old says.

I mean are we supposed to ask ''Excuse me, but what level are you? Oh, well in that case, can I interest you in some PKing?''

No, but I'm pretty sure you know who has what weapons. Someone carrying a small lvl 30 weapon walking thru secret passage trying to kill demonfires is obviously NOT lvl 70.

Also, if they want to make it illegal to PK in SP on a PvP server, they should just make it a safe zone.

Well that would solve the problem of sp... but not the other "hot spots" that ppls camp.

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

It's part of the whole PvP server thing. Don't like it? leave.


Says the person who QQ in another thread about the cost of gold and thinking its a MUST to have angels and charms on a Pvp server. Ever think that you might not go thru so many of either if people killed on a more even level?

People make it sound like were slaughtering lowbies all day and nothing else, I can go to SP almost anytime and see absolutely no PKers, go to hidden orched, no PKers. And if I want to kill someone in SP then that's my right to do so, I dealt with PKers when I was lower levels, now they deal with me.

Thats kind of contradicting. At your level (unless you are helping with someones fb) you have no reason to be in the secret passage. So if you go there and see "no pkers" what are you there for? Because you just said and I quote "And if I want to kill someone in SP then that's my right to do so, I dealt with PKers when I was lower levels, now they deal with me." So now I guess its the mentality do to others what they do to you. And people wonder whats wrong with the world today?

PROUD CAREBEAR!!!

Rubix - Harshlands

What amazes me is the fact that so many people from both PvE and PvP servers are saying suck it up when more than half of them would report people for breaking PW rules. Yes its a PvP server but there has to be some boundaries just like they put in safe guards for TW.

i.e why do people cry about fake bid? Bidding is obviously part of the game and if you cant beat a "fake" factions bid then go grind some coin, farm HH, or cash shop and shut up about it. (thats the mentality that you guys seem to have towards griefing)

Another thing that you complain about and report is luring bosses to SZ areas , which in my opinion isnt breaking the rules (SZ is for PvP. mobs can still attack u in SZ). but yet u sit here and fake as tho u never would report people for anything. If you can say "its a pvp server, suck it up", then why dont u take the same attitudes when someone fake bids or lures a boss to SZ? its all part of game mechanics


P.S why are morons unable to understand the difference between 1 person sitting in a lvl 30 area for HOURS killing people vs RPK. its amazing. people call HL a PvE server cuz they get banned for killing in SP...WTF. i seriously doubt lvl 9x killing 3x changes a server's status from PvE to PvP, so why the inverse. Just start more PvP at west or Hidden

DarkSniper - Lost City

Says the person who QQ in another thread about the cost of gold and thinking its a MUST to have angels and charms on a Pvp server. Ever think that you might not go thru so many of either if people killed on a more even level?

How would people killing on a more even level reduce charm costs? If anything slaughtering lowbies means I dont have my charm tick so I save money. I enjoy PvP, I just don't think it should cost as much as it did.

Thats kind of contradicting. At your level (unless you are helping with someones fb) you have no reason to be in the secret passage. So if you go there and see "no pkers" what are you there for? Because you just said and I quote "And if I want to kill someone in SP then that's my right to do so, I dealt with PKers when I was lower levels, now they deal with me." So now I guess its the mentality do to others what they do to you. And people wonder whats wrong with the world today?

I get bored, it happens. I go there sometimes. I don't see PKers, and sometimes, just sometimes, I decide to wipe out every single lowbie there, not often but sometimes I just feel like killing as many as possible. It's a PvP server, it means you CAN and WILL be killed by ANYONE who is able to do so. That 9x over there you don't stand a chance against? Yea he's gonna kill you. That level 4x who is same level as you, yea he just might kill you as well.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

>.>...i think to slove THIS problem would be just to add a button for not-pk-mode lol since PvE has one for pk, why not add on PvP the opposite effect?

Allyson - Harshlands

or just make SP a safe zone everyone's happy -.-

DarkSniper - Lost City

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

>.>...i think to slove THIS problem would be just to add a button for not-pk-mode lol since PvE has one for pk, why not add on PvP the opposite effect?

Umm well I don't know about "sloving" the problem but if I read your post correctly then your saying to make PvP servers into PvE servers.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

Umm well I don't know about "sloving" the problem but if I read your post correctly then your saying to make PvP servers into PvE servers.

Nope, like on PvE Servers, we can switch to pk-mode for mind. 24hrs. Why not do the same on PvP-Server with opposite effect also for min. 24hrs. The low lvl can chose then to be in pk-mode or not. If he did chose a PvP-Server on purpose ..then he would switch back to pk as well asap. Dont think that many would be in blue-mode if they didnt want to fight

and yeah...>.> i love my typos and wont correct them

DarkSniper - Lost City

So your saying they should have an option to go into PvE mode?


That would pretty much be a PvE server then.

BratFury - Heavens Tear

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Nope, like on PvE Servers, we can switch to pk-mode for mind. 24hrs. Why not do the same on PvP-Server with opposite effect also for min. 24hrs. The low lvl can chose then to be in pk-mode or not. If he did chose a PvP-Server on purpose ..then he would switch back to pk as well asap. Dont think that many would be in blue-mode if they didnt want to fight

and yeah...>.> i love my typos and wont correct them

Actually, it wouldn't be a bad idea to give this option but for a limited time. Lets say someone is on a timed quest, and they have only 30 minutes to do something, yet someone keeps killing them. If they could shut off PK long enough to do the quest, then I think that would be something everyone could live with.

Yes its a pvp server, but those who started it first and leveled fast have a big advantage over someone who just now joined. They could make the PK OFF button only available maybe for 1 hour a day. That way people could quest in peace.

Rillien - Heavens Tear

But that defeats the purpose of a PvP server no matter how short the time. Imagine if you go into SP, see that you're about to get ganked and turn on the protection miraculously to avoid a fight. It would be abused. Can't get a quest done? Just wait a few hours, do something else, and try again later. Not that big of a deal. If there's harrassment going on, that's what tickets are for.

Plus, if you roll a PvP server, expect to kill and be killed. No excuses. PvE is better for those who selectively want to pk.

RainbowVidel - Sanctuary

Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Plus, if you roll a PvP server, expect to kill and be killed. No excuses.

Exactly. Maybe someday, all these people complaining about getting pk'd on a pvp server will finally realize this.

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

Rainbowvidel - Sanctuary wrote: »

Exactly. Maybe someday, all these people complaining about getting pk'd on a pvp server will finally realize this.

That's only a far away dream........ ,sad but true. As long as it's so easy to get banned in this game,there will always be ppl who will go ticket crying to gms like a 8 year old goes crying to his mommy ; "x is bullying me,ban him !!!".

A pvp server doesn't need soft kiddies,can't deal with it? Then then get out of there. I'd say the same for every1 who switches pk mode on a pve server too,even more since it's optional ; if you turn it on you'd better get rdy to be killed.

BratFury - Heavens Tear

Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But that defeats the purpose of a PvP server no matter how short the time. Imagine if you go into SP, see that you're about to get ganked and turn on the protection miraculously to avoid a fight. It would be abused. Can't get a quest done? Just wait a few hours, do something else, and try again later. Not that big of a deal. If there's harrassment going on, that's what tickets are for.

Plus, if you roll a PvP server, expect to kill and be killed. No excuses. PvE is better for those who selectively want to pk.

Some might be willing to wait it out hours to be able to just quest. But this game takes long enough as it is to lvl after about lvl 65, I'm not willing to spend hours waiting on someone to finish with their jollies so I can quest.

If you have to do that on a Pvp server, it really makes me question the sanity of ppl on such a server. IMO it would be silly to take 5 hours on a PvP server that takes 1 on a PvE server. But different strokes for different folks I guess.

This is why .... I am a carebear.

Rillien - Heavens Tear

That's an example of making the right server choice b:victory

As for me, I only go on my Pvp alts when I'm feeling particularly murderous b:chuckle

Isala - Sanctuary

Honestly? I don't get why PKing in SP would be bannable. It's pretty much a hotspot for PvP action on Sanctuary. No Nix, no tough mobs. Just you, and your group of friends, fighting everyone else. From what I've seen, it's even quite civil. Well, as civil as a group of bloodcrazed individuals can get. b:chuckle Honestly, like people have said. If you're going to ban people for fighting in one of the best areas to fight in the game, just make it a safe zone, so all the QQing noobs that want to whine about being PKed on a PvP server don't get a respectable player banned.

Way I figure is this. If you're going to ban people on a PvP server for killing each other, how about you ban people on a PvE server for killing mobs? Because since Player Versus Player is a bad thing, shouldn't Player Versus Environment follow the same suit? You don't really see too many people whining about being killed on a PvE server, because anyone stupid enough to turn on PK mode and get pwnt gets laughed at when they whine about it. So how about we do a server switch? Reward people on PvE servers for killing each other, and reward people on a PvP server for killing mobs. Because that seems to be the general idea here.

You chose the server, you even had the lovely help box pop up when you log into the game for the first time. Why didn't you read it? If you didn't read the help, which told you the difference between PvE, and PvP, then you're still to blame. If you read it, and got killed anyway, you're still to blame. At any time, you had the option to reroll, and you still do. You've even got some nice shiny new classes to try out this winter. Stop your QQing, try a new race on a PvE server, and enjoy the game with a minimal amount of whining to someone else. Although, seems to me, the type that whines about dying is the same that whines about getting KSed as well... So I guess the only alternative is this:

RAGEQUIT!

That way, none of us have to deal with you whining about problems that were completely your fault, and completely in your control to deal with.

turtlewax

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

... People make it sound like were slaughtering lowbies all day and nothing else ...

It's the only way to get 1000 kills per month, it's that simple.

Aznchristmas - Harshlands

Rubix - Harshlands wrote: »

Just start more PvP at west or Hidden

lol@that. HL pvp is a joke... pretty much goes like this
1. group A standing 3 inches from safe zone
2. group B in safe zone
3. group B buffs up
4. group B goes out
5. hit people for 30 seconds
6. group A goes into safe zone
7. group B trash talks 3 inches from the safe zone


As for PKing in SP... I just dont do it, not because I have some sense of honor, but because it's bannable on Harshlands. I can kill 3x and 4x anywhere except SP, so why even go over there? (And why have the rule)

DarkSniper - Lost City

turtlewax wrote: »

It's the only way to get 1000 kills per month, it's that simple.

Because we all have 1000 kills right.

Kylley - Sanctuary

People that dont like Pvp should just change server for a pve one.

Im on Sanc but i created a char on HL to see how pvp would be and if i like pvp, ill keep on lvling my char there but, if i dont, well i wont QQ, ill stop playing with that char and ill stick to Sanc. Thats simple.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

ColdSteele - Lost City wrote: »

Yes there are rules about pking in areas that impede lower levels to complete their quests. If somebody pks in SP just take a ScreenShot of it and send it to pwi.

Ill have to remember that b:chuckle

Aadi - Lost City

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Some might be willing to wait it out hours to be able to just quest. But this game takes long enough as it is to lvl after about lvl 65, I'm not willing to spend hours waiting on someone to finish with their jollies so I can quest.

This is a conversation about people in SP killing lowbies, not people 60+.

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear

*sigh*seems to me too many people have forgotten what choosing a pvp server means....

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING KILLED ONCE OR 100 TIMES IN A ROW ON A SERVER THAT IS DESIGNED FOR PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER KILLING.

Part of a player killers strategy to stay on top in a pvp enviroment is to slow down other future threats levelling and money making ability.

For most of the people saying this is harrasment,its obvious none of you have played any game beforehand that was designed around pvp combat,you are niave in the extreme,do some research... and for gm's to actually ban people for killing in a kill or be killed enviroment that they provided for their playerbase to begin with smacks of hypocrisy!

If you can't handle the harsh enviroment,why the heck are you even there in the first place?

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear

Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »

I believe repeated kills of the same person do not count towards your total.

And if I understand properly, people "getting banned for PKing in SP" were getting banned because they kept killing the same people over and over and over and over. I think they would have gotten banned for doing this anywhere, but they just happened to be in Secret Passage.

But, please... do not let me stop anyone from working themselves into a self-righteous frenzy for no reason whatsoever...

So?It's pk enabled,you're never safe,if you can't handle the whole player killing aspect of pvp,logic dictates that you move to a safer enviroment...like a pve server.

Player killing is never fair,never has been and never will be.