Useless BM Skills

RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary

I just want to see if anyone has any good ideas on how to use these skills because I dont have very many.

Stream Strike: Does it even work? ive seen things saying its fixed aggro...bugged...not worth it, hence i havent bothered with it.

Mage Bane: It is 100% chance to hit now, but compared to other skills not worth the huge amount of chi in most situations.

Vacuous Palm: Slows the enemy alot...but uses an entire spark....oceans edge or fissure imo are far superior.

Both Bane and Palm seem like just a huge waste of sparks compared to drake bash or piercing winds.

If you have any ideas on how these skills could be useful, please share them, because so far i use all other skills but these. If you just confirm what im saying here then ill just forget about every bothering with them lol, just need more confirmation before i totally disregard them in the future.

Thank you for your opinions.

Alexeno - Sanctuary

RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary wrote: »

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Stream Strike: Does it even work? ive seen things saying its fixed aggro...bugged...not worth it, hence i havent bothered with it.

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its generates plenty of aggro, but not nearly as much as an equal-level barb (this coming from personal experience)

Maelael - Heavens Tear

RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary wrote: »

Stream Strike: Does it even work? ive seen things saying its fixed aggro...bugged...not worth it, hence i havent bothered with it.

Yes and no.

Pre-70's, probably moreso pre-60's:

Yes. Very yes. I used that thing to nail aggro constantly with Alpha Male, I had pure Archers and Mages go full out and not be able to rip aggro from me.

In my 70's:

It does work. But lately Ive been finding while tanking, double spark generates more aggro or about the same. I think its a good starter combo with Alpha Male, I'll hit it once or three times, then save the Chi for Spark Eruption. I may experiment more with more useage since I cant use Alpha Male as often due to the genie nerf.

Overall:

I'll use it to grab lure'd stuff (if I dont lure it myself with genie), and grab stuff chasing Clerics who stray, etc. Particularly if Alpha Male has not refreshed.

I think if they upped the aggro it generates it would be more worth it. But I really think BMs generate more aggro through damage at later levels due to the strength. It seems to be obsolete in the 70s.

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear

I would not know about Stream Strike too much...My BM is a Fist Master and no one takes Aggro from him anyway. When I play my Cleric and my Husband plays his Pole Master I found my Cleric could ALWAYS pull Aggro away when he used Stream Strike. More often than not Meteor Rush or Aeolein Blade(Sp?) would grab Aggro MUCH better.

Mage Bane is the one that lengthens channeling time for the person it hits right? Well that is worthless. Yay...So it takes them 6 seconds instead of 3 to hit you with the spell, it is STILL COMING. You are so much better off stunning them or using Shadowless Kick. It is like Fox Wallop for us Venos, a complete waste of a skill.

Vacuus Palm is also complete ****. Not only because of the Spark issue but because...Since when does slowing an opponent down even MATTER for a BM? Only a Pole Master has much range the rest of us cannot hit the monster unless it is standing STILL. No matter if it runs or walks away from you if it is moving away you are NOT attacking it. I guess it must be some sort of a "Support" skill to make it take longer for it to kill the Cleric or something but it is just a waste of time.

RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary

Slowing people is extremely useful for pvp when they try and kite (makes it easier to stun them), and also very useful for tw where slowing + stunning is very good for stopping the enemy advance. Slow is also good in aoe, because if someone grabs aggro, or your are forced to knockback the enemy, to make space the enemy takes forever to get back (fissure + meteor rush = space). Veno pets can also be slowed + knocked back. Anything that retreats, like magical mobs, slow helps everyone in the party because they cover way less distance in the same amount of time, thus reducing the chances other mobs will be aggroed etc. So yeah there are many applications for slow...its just there are better moves for it.

Granrey - Sanctuary

In PVE with too strong melee mobs, I prefer to apply:

slowdown/bleed/knockback and range attacks. So, I do:

vacous palm/drawblood/atmos strike plus my bow.

if everything works fine, the mob will be away from me, bleeding and coming towards me slowly. In the meantime he is not hitting me and I;m hitting him with my bow or range skills.

I repeat dosage until is dead.

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I still wonder if mage bane effects works on bosses.

SultryShade - Dreamweaver

Compared to the other spark moves, mage bane and vacuous palm are just terrible, but on pure caster mobs I think mage bane would be better than stun because stun resets pure mage mob's run counter (they run two or three times if not stunned). Stream Strike imo is just worthless, but I am built around fists and attack speed so using any skill besides single spark eruption is a complete waste of my time on a single target.

RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary

Hmmm yeah you are right about the magic mobs...also yes, if you wanna hold aggro fists are very ftw b:pleased

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

From experience building up enough chi and spamming stream strike seems to keep agro even from wizzies and archers, and easily from same level BM's. Just poking an occassional stream strike and expecting instant agro wont work, nor will comparing yourself to a barb.
Barbs are superior agro holders. If stream strike generated say, 50 agro (example) barb skills probably generate 100 agro each.

Zoronoa - Sanctuary

RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary wrote: »

Mage Bane: It is 100% chance to hit now, but compared to other skills not worth the huge amount of chi in most situations.

mage bane, i use to stop aoe, since i use fist chi isnt a prob for me, i go from mage bane to shadowless kick, to stop aoe

Kniraven - Lost City

Zoronoa - Sanctuary wrote: »

mage bane, i use to stop aoe, since i use fist chi isnt a prob for me, i go from mage bane to shadowless kick, to stop aoe

=O That actually seems like a pretty good idea against say PoleArm. I should try it.

Minimus - Sanctuary

The only useless might be Tiger Maw but at the rquired level it was ok.

RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary

I find tiger maw useful for gaining chi if im in a pinch for some, sage version that is. Its a fast attack so you really wont be wasting time using it. Gains 10 chi normally, 30 if it activates, and is very spammable, so not bad (like using this alot you can dragon every cooldown without fists).

Telarith - Sanctuary

Minimus - Sanctuary wrote: »

The only useless might be Tiger Maw but at the rquired level it was ok.

Yes, because any skill that allows an axe wielder hit twice in one second with a berserk weapon must be utterly useless. Apparently you still have things to learn about your class.

Filet - Heavens Tear

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, because any skill that allows an axe wielder hit twice in one second with a berserk weapon must be utterly useless. Apparently you still have things to learn about your class.

It has a 0.3 channel and 0.6 cast demon, i mean it's not utterly useless but i don't see how you could attack twice in 1 second with it.

Telarith - Sanctuary

Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It has a 0.3 channel and 0.6 cast demon, i mean it's not utterly useless but i don't see how you could attack twice in 1 second with it.

I swear people just hop on these forums to say things, and don't bother reading anything.

I have already gone over TWICE this month how you can remove the cast time of a skill every other time. Which means .3 channel + .2 channel + .5 cast when using maw + Drake's Ray. Or sub in Draw Blood in place of Maw for a .9 second double attack. If you want to know how, search the blademaster's forums. How so many high level BMs don't even know a technique I've been using since 4X just kinda makes me wonder if everyone used rebirth to get their levels.

Filet - Heavens Tear

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

I swear people just hop on these forums to say things, and don't bother reading anything.

I have already gone over TWICE this month how you can remove the cast time of a skill every other time. Which means .3 channel + .2 channel + .5 cast when using maw + Drake's Ray. Or sub in Draw Blood in place of Maw for a .9 second double attack. If you want to know how, search the blademaster's forums. How so many high level BMs don't even know a technique I've been using since 4X just kinda makes me wonder if everyone used rebirth to get their levels.

I'm sorry but I don't follow EVERY single one of your posts. You're not the encyclopedia on BMs, just the fact that you can't believe that someone hasn't followed your words like a book shows that your ego is way too big. This isn't like people asking which is the best build which has been covered to death in many different topics, which is completely different than this situation where I haven't read TWO of your posts over the past MONTH. Yeah I glanced over the fact that the technique you can attack twice in 1 second with tiger maw, but then again your post was more of a "wow you're an idiot" post than one about how tiger maw can actually be used

Yeah I know about the technique and it's far more relevant to PvP than PvE. Knowing the technique barely makes a difference in PvE; you can still level perfectly fine just purely grinding without it so leveling through rebirth is completely irrelevant here. Take 10 seconds to add in another sentence to explain yourself a bit, stop acting like an arrogant ******* just because you study PW like it's your college major.

Thanks for being so gracious and elaborating on your posts so "****" people like me who don't spend all their time researching everything PW related can save some time and actually go enjoy the game.

Telarith - Sanctuary

Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm sorry but I don't follow EVERY single one of your posts. You're not the encyclopedia on BMs, just the fact that you can't believe that someone hasn't followed your words like a book shows that your ego is way too big. This isn't like people asking which is the best build which has been covered to death in many different topics, which is completely different than this situation where I haven't read TWO of your posts over the past MONTH. Yeah I glanced over the fact that the technique you can attack twice in 1 second with tiger maw, but then again your post was more of a "wow you're an idiot" post than one about how tiger maw can actually be used

Yeah I know about the technique and it's far more relevant to PvP than PvE. Knowing the technique barely makes a difference in PvE; you can still level perfectly fine just purely grinding without it so leveling through rebirth is completely irrelevant here. Take 10 seconds to add in another sentence to explain yourself a bit, stop acting like an arrogant ******* just because you study PW like it's your college major.

Thanks for being so gracious and elaborating on your posts so "****" people like me who don't spend all their time researching everything PW related can save some time and actually go enjoy the game.

Rebirth was mentioned as a level skip preventing finding it out on one's own, because otherwise normal grinding takes a while. And out of the many times skills are used, even without knowing the trick someone will occassionally do it by accident. After a couple times, someone should noticed that it helps out. Then all it takes is trying to do it on purpose to find out how it works, and then see where else it can work. It takes no extra time, since it is done while you are grinding. It's the difference between knowing only what is directly told from faction members or guides, and actively playing.