Relentless Courage

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

thanks for taking 12% channeling and 24% attack speed and reducing it to 5%. good job.

SultryShade - Dreamweaver

You have got to be kidding me! I saw the patch notes said they nerfed it but wtf, this is way too much!

Antaury - Dreamweaver

oh dear... why they insist to make ppl quit the game?

SultryShade - Dreamweaver

Antaury - Dreamweaver wrote: »

oh dear... why they insist to make ppl quit the game?

ROFL, people survived just fine before genies you know...

Ursa - Dreamweaver

SultryShade - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ROFL, people survived just fine before genies you know...

yeah, but then they changed the whole gameplay by introducing them, make pp invest money and spirit and so forth to build a genie that could fit everyone's gameplay. Then, in a burst of inimaginable stupidity, arogance and disrespect they **** up all the hard work of hundreds of players. So n00b just STFU and GTFO.

@XHappyBunnyx
Lol, way to nerf a genie.
These guys seems to have no limit in pushing the nerves of ppl.
I just hope they all go broke some day, cause right now they are wiping their arses with cash milked from this game.

Isala - Sanctuary

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just hope they all go broke some day, cause right now they are wiping their arses with cash milked from this game.

Don't forget using it to fuel their gold plated fireplaces. :P

Nakhimov - Lost City

I'd be a bit more outraged if Relentless Courage wasn't useless to begin with b:chuckle

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

I'd be a bit more outraged if Relentless Courage wasn't useless to begin with b:chuckle

maybe for you.. but i liked the attack speed when fighting in foxform.
24% made a big differance in my dmg per second.

Nakhimov - Lost City

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

maybe for you.. but i liked the attack speed when fighting in foxform.
24% made a big differance in my dmg per second.

I realise that, but i will forever hate that skill for the sp I wasted on it.

SultryShade - Dreamweaver

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yeah, but then they changed the whole gameplay by introducing them, make pp invest money and spirit and so forth to build a genie that could fit everyone's gameplay. Then, in a burst of inimaginable stupidity, arogance and disrespect they **** up all the hard work of hundreds of players. So n00b just STFU and GTFO.

Why don't you stfu you worthless sack of ****? b:chuckle I never said I agreed with all the changes, I simply stated that people survived before genies and will survive after genies have been nerfed into oblivion.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

thanks for taking 12% channeling and 24% attack speed and reducing it to 5%. good job.

Relentless Courage was always a deceptively useless skill for increasing damage IMHO. Due to the energy cost, it was actually less effective the more you leveled it. Assume you had a genie with 40 dex, 40 mag for 1.8 energy/sec regen.

Previously:
Level 1: 14% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 65 energy
Can be used once every 36 sec due to energy cost.
14% * 8/36 = 3.11% overall increase in damage

Level 7: 26% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 125 energy
Can be used once every 69.4 sec due to energy cost.
26% * 8/69.4 = 3.00% overall increase in damage

Level 10: 30% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 155 energy
Can be used once every 86 sec due to energy cost.
32% * 8/86 = 2.97% overall increase in damage

Now (assume 40 str):
Level 7: 5% + 10% attack speed increase for 6.5 sec, 110 energy
Can be used once every 61 sec due to energy cost.
15% * 6.5/61 = 1.60% overall increase in damage

So yeah it was nerfed, but it's only a 1.4% difference in overall damage. No big deal, never was. It was a decent emergency skill (especially the channeling), and is still useful for that purpose. But it's never been something worth spamming. If you're a fox veno, find a decent set of -0.05 interval wrist armor. That'll make a good 5%-7% increase in your overall damage, and is constant.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Relentless Courage was always a deceptively useless skill for increasing damage IMHO. Due to the energy cost, it was actually less effective the more you leveled it. Assume you had a genie with 40 dex, 40 mag for 1.8 energy/sec regen.

Previously:
Level 1: 14% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 65 energy
Can be used once every 36 sec due to energy cost.
14% * 8/36 = 3.11% overall increase in damage

Level 7: 26% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 125 energy
Can be used once every 69.4 sec due to energy cost.
26% * 8/69.4 = 3.00% overall increase in damage

Level 10: 30% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 155 energy
Can be used once every 86 sec due to energy cost.
32% * 8/86 = 2.97% overall increase in damage

Now (assume 40 str):
Level 7: 5% + 10% attack speed increase for 6.5 sec, 110 energy
Can be used once every 61 sec due to energy cost.
15% * 6.5/61 = 1.60% overall increase in damage

So yeah it was nerfed, but it's only a 1.4% difference in overall damage. No big deal, never was. It was a decent emergency skill (especially the channeling), and is still useful for that purpose. But it's never been something worth spamming. If you're a fox veno, find a decent set of -0.05 interval wrist armor. That'll make a good 5%-7% increase in your overall damage, and is constant.

i never spammed it.. i had it for two certain situations.. killing certain classes that i use foxform to fight against and healing on FB bosses.
overall dmg is not what i'm looking at.. I'm looking at the dmg for using it one time and one time only. That is where it hurts me... so 30% one time turns into 5% or 15% with 40 str. My genie skills were all focused around DEX.. so my dex was very high. So YES.. it did take a big hit in my situation.
Even if i did add on interval stats to my gear.. i still wouldnt get the 30% extra when i hit that skill. That is my concern.

Davitiel - Heavens Tear

Aww, it got pretty nerfed. Although I never spammed this skill but it was very useful when using skills with a long channeling time like Tempest.b:surrender

Ohh well, I'm pretty sure all of this will turn out fine in the near future.b:cute

shlomo2

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

maybe for you.. but i liked the attack speed when fighting in foxform.
24% made a big differance in my dmg per second.

damn! now I feel awful for recommending that skill on my veno guideb:angry

Brael - Dreamweaver

Big hit here, went from 18% to 9% channeling. I had it for two reasons, burst healing for my pet, and rare tames. I can't use it for tames anymore.

Ophida - Dreamweaver

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Big hit here, went from 18% to 9% channeling. I had it for two reasons, burst healing for my pet, and rare tames. I can't use it for tames anymore.

Yeah, same for me. Might be time to investigate what other skills are worth acquiring b:surrender

DarkSniper - Lost City

Wind sheild went from reducing all damage from 30% to reducing all damage by 15%

Davitiel - Heavens Tear

b:surrender Another useful skill that got sliced in half, just like a tomato.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Ill need to take that skill off lol. Personally wasnt extremely usefull and now its even less lol

Telarith - Sanctuary

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Relentless Courage was always a deceptively useless skill for increasing damage IMHO. Due to the energy cost, it was actually less effective the more you leveled it. Assume you had a genie with 40 dex, 40 mag for 1.8 energy/sec regen.

Previously:
Level 1: 14% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 65 energy
Can be used once every 36 sec due to energy cost.
14% * 8/36 = 3.11% overall increase in damage

Level 7: 26% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 125 energy
Can be used once every 69.4 sec due to energy cost.
26% * 8/69.4 = 3.00% overall increase in damage

Level 10: 30% increase to attack speed for 8 sec, 155 energy
Can be used once every 86 sec due to energy cost.
32% * 8/86 = 2.97% overall increase in damage

Now (assume 40 str):
Level 7: 5% + 10% attack speed increase for 6.5 sec, 110 energy
Can be used once every 61 sec due to energy cost.
15% * 6.5/61 = 1.60% overall increase in damage

So yeah it was nerfed, but it's only a 1.4% difference in overall damage. No big deal, never was. It was a decent emergency skill (especially the channeling), and is still useful for that purpose. But it's never been something worth spamming. If you're a fox veno, find a decent set of -0.05 interval wrist armor. That'll make a good 5%-7% increase in your overall damage, and is constant.

All this is based off of a misunderstanding of how speed buffs work. They do not add an increase based off of the % they list, instead they convert that into a -interval add that only works in -.05 denominations. And alot of the %s will all add the same thing. It also changes depending on whether/how much -interval you already have equipped. Such as with existing -.1 interval, the range of 5% speed buff to 12% speed buff all act as only a -.05 interval change. This is also due to a ceiling cap, where the amount of speed buff determines how well it stacks with the existing interval. Once I reach demon, I can find out whether the 20% speed buff will finally act as a -.1 interval. If not, then pretty much no reason to level any speed buff skills unless they add to duration as well.

Ophelius - Dreamweaver

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yeah, but then they changed the whole gameplay by introducing them, make pp invest money and spirit and so forth to build a genie that could fit everyone's gameplay. Then, in a burst of inimaginable stupidity, arogance and disrespect they **** up all the hard work of hundreds of players. So n00b just STFU and GTFO.

@XHappyBunnyx
Lol, way to nerf a genie.
These guys seems to have no limit in pushing the nerves of ppl.
I just hope they all go broke some day, cause right now they are wiping their arses with cash milked from this game.

Personally, I think that was a bit uncalled for. They give you a stone of refreshment and origination orders to make up for it. Besides, I'm sure there are other far more useful skills now.

Brael - Dreamweaver

They don't refund the spirit used to level skills in the first place, and they don't refund the second and third genies some people had.

Ophelius - Dreamweaver

I'm not saying trash the genie, or the skills. Just re-stat or try something new- that's all. Instead of flaming, do some research. X3

Legerity - Sanctuary

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

All this is based off of a misunderstanding of how speed buffs work. They do not add an increase based off of the % they list, instead they convert that into a -interval add that only works in -.05 denominations. And alot of the %s will all add the same thing. It also changes depending on whether/how much -interval you already have equipped. Such as with existing -.1 interval, the range of 5% speed buff to 12% speed buff all act as only a -.05 interval change. This is also due to a ceiling cap, where the amount of speed buff determines how well it stacks with the existing interval. Once I reach demon, I can find out whether the 20% speed buff will finally act as a -.1 interval. If not, then pretty much no reason to level any speed buff skills unless they add to duration as well.

Increasing attack speed works like this as I've recently found out:

You take the number given in the character screen and then divide by (1-(increase percentage))

So assuming attack rate of 1.5 /sec (or whatever the speed is of the weapon as shown in character window) and an increase of 20% in attack speed

1.5/(1-0.2) = 1.5/0.8 = 1.875 /sec

Assuming PW didn't suck so much at rounding then it would be 1.88 /sec or alternatively viewed as hitting once every 0.53seconds.

However, chances are you will probably see something more like 1.90 or higher (rounding issues of PW before showing the final value).

trolololo69

you use RC for aps? Noobs... just get 5aps gear >.>

JeffProbst - Heavens Tear

trolololo69 wrote: »

you use RC for aps? Noobs... just get 5aps gear >.>

Why haven't you been banned yet? lol

krittycat

trolololo69 wrote: »

you use RC for aps? Noobs... just get 5aps gear >.>

Enjoy your ban.

Closed for necro.