free to play?

glassyumi0

in this game u can get good items ,pet whatever without the need of payng real money in cash shops?b:surrender

eatwithspoons

You can play this game for a long time before NEEDING anything from the Boutique. By that point, for me at least, you will have plenty of in-game coin to be able to buy it with coin instead of having to pay money. There are only 2 pets that require any Boutique items to obtain, but you can buy those items for in-game coin as well, and neither of those pets are necessary for gameplay

Drazo - Dreamweaver

Yes and no.

Yes because it's quicker and more reliable than looking for someone who's selling one, and no because you can buy items from players or gold from the AH.

In the long run, you will be able to earn enough or make your own goods with effort.

glassyumi0

thx for ur fair answerb:victory

Quilue - Sanctuary

heres a tip: archers and venos are relatively cheap classes, and wouldn't need charms unless you pvp or something.

Alexeno - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

heres a tip: archers and venos are relatively cheap classes, and wouldn't need charms unless you pvp or something.

@redtext-> lolwut? you kidding? archers are one of the top classes in the "most expensive" category

Wizzeled - Sanctuary

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

@redtext-> lolwut? you kidding? archers are one of the top classes in the "most expensive" category

FAIL archers are cheap. If you want to make an archer that is built to last then it's not cheap, not at all.

DarkSniper - Lost City

I've been getting things for cheap lately due to the event. So im getting lvl 80 soon. I just need 1mil for my new legs, 4mil for my new bow, a crapton of time to run HH for the light armor and buy other gear THEN I need to refine and shard all of it.

I'm trying not to think of how much that will cost me.

Quilue - Sanctuary

hmm? state your reasons? i mean, you can spend a lot on your archer, but then you'd probably spend even more on other classes.

and wizzeled, what would be a fail archer? someone who doesn't +7 every weapon they get their hands on (including that cloud parting xbow)? roll a cleric or a barb, then compare the expenses.

weapon, armor, refines, shards, etc etc, every class needs them, it's not exclusive to archers. i dont see how archer tops barb/cleric in expenses

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

I've been getting things for cheap lately due to the event. So im getting lvl 80 soon. I just need 1mil for my new legs, 4mil for my new bow, a crapton of time to run HH for the light armor and buy other gear THEN I need to refine and shard all of it.

I'm trying not to think of how much that will cost me.

And other classes dont have to do the same?

Quilue - Sanctuary

lets just say that the game in general isn't cheap if you want good gear...i think we can all agree to that.

Alexeno - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

hmm? state your reasons? i know my own expenses tyvm.

specifically, ammo. not only do archers need full loadouts on pots (hp cause cant take a hit, and mp cause no mana pool), archers spend 1 coin per shot, and that's if they want to be cheap (and fail)

Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »

FAIL archers are cheap. If you want to make an archer that is built to last then it's not cheap, not at all.

heya wizzeled

Quilue - Sanctuary

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

specifically, ammo. not only do archers need full loadouts on pots (hp cause cant take a hit, and mp cause no mana pool), archers spend 1 coin per shot, and that's if they want to be cheap (and fail)

no, i spend like 8 coins per shot, ammo + repair costs. (arrows cost 2 coins) but at least the only thing you have to repair is your weapon, unlike some other classes i could name. and each mob at my level drops like 90-900 coins, (not counting dq) good enough honestly. an hour of grinding more than makes up for an archer's repair + ammo costs, by around 10x profit if you're unlucky.

and no, you don't need a full load out on pots. you might need it at earlier levels if your weapon sucks and you messed up your stats, but in general, no. things are supposed to die before they get to hit you. live on pots you collect from the ground - i've done it for 28 levels now and i dont meditate either.

i guess it's more expensive pot-wise than venos earlier on, because
your range isn't upgraded
your weapon mastery and blazing arrow isn't maxed
your crit % isn't very high.

all that takes levels and buying of skills to develop,
but later on, definitely around 60, mobs shouldn't get to hit you much. (earlier than that if you have a sinister shooter)

still cheaper than a ******n melee class.

Alexeno - Sanctuary

sorry, forgot weapon repairs, oh well

and who says this veno is my main? (it is, but it most certaintly isnt my first character LOL)

all classes make major profit at your level, but that's besides the point

from what i recall, this idea of 'archers kill mobs before they get to you' is a myth, unless you can afford the hundreds of dollars to + your gear up to insanity

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

no, i spend 8 coins per shot, ammo + repair costs. but at least the only thing you have to repair is your weapon, unlike some other classes i could name. and you know what? each mob at my level drops like 90-900 coins, (not counting dq) good enough honestly. an hour of grinding more than makes up for an archer's repair + ammo costs, by around 10x profit.

and no, you don't need a full load out on pots. you might need it at earlier levels if your weapon sucks and you messed up your stats, but in general, no. things are supposed to die before they get to hit you. live on pots you collect from the ground - i've done it for 28 levels now and i dont meditate either.

Quilue - Sanctuary

no it's not a myth...maybe, maybe at lvl90+ mobs get nasty heck i wouldn't know, but at my level, a +3 W&C sufficed for anything and everything til like...this lvl when i just bought a windcatcher. i mean typically when you grind, you take mobs that are easy and convenient for your class to fight (so bms hit melee phys mobs, archers take ranged magic mobs). they have low hp, long channeling time before they hit, they'll definitely croak before they get to hit you, unless your weapon really suck or something. there will be quests where you have to fight mobs that suck for you, every class deals with that, but that's not where you spend the majority of your time at higher levels is it?

where are you hearing that archers can't keep away mobs? you have frost, knockback, aim low, stunning arrow...not even incr life fish can get a shot at me.

i've seen people grind with a well refined soulsmasher, they don't even use frost. they just normal attack and mobs die. b:shocked

angellicdeity

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

no, i spend like 8 coins per shot, ammo + repair costs. (arrows cost 2 coins) but at least the only thing you have to repair is your weapon, unlike some other classes i could name. and each mob at my level drops like 90-900 coins, (not counting dq) good enough honestly. an hour of grinding more than makes up for an archer's repair + ammo costs, by around 10x profit if you're unlucky.

and no, you don't need a full load out on pots. you might need it at earlier levels if your weapon sucks and you messed up your stats, but in general, no. things are supposed to die before they get to hit you. live on pots you collect from the ground - i've done it for 28 levels now and i dont meditate either.

i guess it's more expensive pot-wise than venos earlier on, because
your range isn't upgraded
your weapon mastery and blazing arrow isn't maxed
your crit % isn't very high.

all that takes levels and buying of skills to develop,
but later on, definitely around 60, mobs shouldn't get to hit you much. (earlier than that if you have a sinister shooter)

still cheaper than a ******n melee class.

Its all relative.


On a PvP server its not quite the same.



Most archers are pure builds - therefore lacking HP greatly.

On a PvP server you need to invest millions of coins in buying the best citrines possible and socketting your equipment. Although most other classes choose to do this too - as an archer you are compelled to do this for survival on a PvP server. You also need to refine your gear to add HP. You also need to spend some money buying your demon skills because an archers damage just doesn't cut it for killing.


PvE wise a melee class takes the cake for being the most expensive class.

PvP wise, Archers, Wizards and Clerics are the top spenders.


Veno's have it cheap in both arena's. That darn bird!

Alexeno - Sanctuary

angellicdeity wrote: »

Veno's have it cheap in both arena's. That darn bird!

Quilue - Sanctuary

well yah pvp is a different story. i've read about Chaotiic's spending on his archer b:shocked

but i said in the beginning archers are cheap unless you pvp or something

DarkSniper - Lost City

Dont know, my highest level alt is my level 22 Barb.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

And other classes dont have to do the same?

Right on~~ d(^.^d)

also why not dam the lower levels 1-60 as an archer or a wizard things drop dead before they get to us and yes my gear sucks soo much it burns to see what i'm wearing. DX
but it works out fine I just have a really good attack pattern. and thats why my repair bills are dirt cheap. ^.^
crappy gear (everything either 1 star or 2 star blue with requisite level of 44-54 ) + only weapon (weapon is a blue 2 star quest reward from level 44 -.-') in need of repair as I rarely get hit = saved money which ends up being put straight into my savings to upgrade my spells.

same with archers
also arrows are not really expensive they even drop quite a bit and if you do BH runs just ask for the arrows that drop.

TigerLily - Lost City

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

heres a tip: archers and venos are relatively cheap classes, and wouldn't need charms unless you pvp or something.

Archer is one of the most expensive classes 90+ b:surrender
A poor archer is a very fail archer sadly, the class is almost as gear dependent as wizards. As a BM, veno or a barb you can be pretty decent in pvp at 90 with like +4 gear and +6 weapon, but archers/wizards with that low refine will get molested...specially by venos.

Archers also cant have more than 3-5 vit to max dex for decent dmg/crit so they need a lot of refining for decent hp. You need at least a +8 weapon at 90 if you don't wanna suck in pvp. And its not about beeing "skilled" or not. Archer is a squishy class without high dmg skills, you rely on dmg from auto shoots and crits mostly, if you don't have high enough refines on weapon you just wont do enough dmg. Also archers cost fkloads in Rebirth and in zhen parties.

But yeah if you're only doing pve stuff, grinding and questing and avoiding pvp + hard instances i guess archers are somewhat cheaper than clerics and barbs at least. They sure are cheaper to lvl, just need arrows/bolts and occasionally a hp/mp pot b:cute.

glassyumi0

plz close the thread i see ppl started to change topicb:sad

Paigrande - Harshlands

There are 2 ways to play this game:
1- THE EASY WAY Thats for ppl who spend real cash for gold and use it to get coins, tomes, charms, etc, etc

2- THE HARD WAY Thats for ppl who dont want to spend cash for gold and instead they play for hours or play for a good while to get good things.

Now, players that use the way number 1 of playing allow players that dont spend cash to get the benefits of the boutique by selling boutique items such as charms, dolls training esotericas or by jus selling gold through the auction house to the players that use the way number 2 of playing.
Now, players that use the way number 2 of playing that usually are the ones that grind alot for coins nd etc, help the players that use the way number 1 by buying their boutique items or by selling to them things like TT90/80 golds mats which are hard to get nd players that use the way number 1 generally wouldnt bother or spend time farming it.
What Im trying to say is that it is possible to play this game nd b competitive without using cash but that would require hard work from your side.

P.S If you dont find it fair that sum ppl get stuff easily by using gold, those players that dont have alot of time to play nd use cash to b competetive might not find it fair that u hav so much time to play on your hands... & the life goes on.b:bye

glassyumi0

what i am tryng to say is if i play and play one day can i get good gear as other ppl that might use cash shop or not or is not posible(sry for my rly bad english)b:laugh

CrimsonPiro - Heavens Tear

glassyumi0 wrote: »

what i am tryng to say is if i play and play one day can i get good gear as other ppl that might use cash shop or not or is not posible(sry for my rly bad english)b:laugh

Yes, it is possible. Many people play just fine without ever spending any of their own money.

Darkjagans - Heavens Tear

glassyumi0 wrote: »

what i am tryng to say is if i play and play one day can i get good gear as other ppl that might use cash shop or not or is not posible(sry for my rly bad english)b:laugh

Maybe.

and I'm sure most would agree to this, at the moment with anniversary packs, cash shoppers have a huge advantage, gear that normally takes months and months to acquire is now easily obtainable if you have a fat wallet.

Especially when this 1 month sale of anniversary packs are over, you really can't expect a normal non-cash shopper/newer players to ever compete with those that have fully geared themselves with Lunar Glade and Frost equipment gotten from these packs.

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

Quilue's so hot when talking like a pro ,a pro with big boobies b:dirty .

Go get 'em !!!

GlassSoul - Dreamweaver

well i just quited either saga and i was wondering if this is a game that is worth playng and having fun with other ppl but i am woried ....

Blessly - Sanctuary

Yeah its FREE play! I played and bought things from cashshop. 1 yr later I discovered adding all REAL LIFE MONEY I spent was totalling $800.00 dollars.

This is all a scam. You dont have to pay. But if you want to enjoy the game you better be ready to scratch your credit card or you moms credit card. b:chuckle

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

heres a tip: archers and venos are relatively cheap classes, and wouldn't need charms unless you pvp or something.

I hear that most Archers use charms although you don't there are powders.What about arerocraft sure you can use elven wings or eagle.What would be better.Venos are cheap because they can farm better and make more money.Then there is taming pets especially rare ones.

I would exactly say an Archer is cheap and there is the lack of self heals.When you refer to x amount of coin is that for lvl 1 ammo?

Legerity - Sanctuary

A PVEing archer like Quilue said is probably the cheapest character to play right after venos. Mobs dying before they reach an archer is NOT a myth. I also lived on a Wind and Clouds sling +3 and was rarely hit. Things got even more rediculous when I got a well refined soulsmahser.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I hear that most Archers use charms although you don't there are powders.What about arerocraft sure you can use elven wings or eagle.What would be better.Venos are cheap because they can farm better and make more money.Then there is taming pets especially rare ones.

I would exactly say an Archer is cheap and there is the lack of self heals.When you refer to x amount of coin is that for lvl 1 ammo?

Pots? We don't need pots because we choose our grinding mobs to conveniently die before they hit us. Charms? If we don't get hit or use much mana draining skills, what are the charms for? JFYI, I was able to consistently keep a hp gold charm for atleast a month. One would only need a charm for instances when things go haywire, or if you're tanking/being aggressive in instances.

And yes, grinding should only consist of lowest lvl arrows.

White wings (starter ones) can be efficient when you have some spirit to spare. This is a good way to save coin while having the ability to fly faster than any other class with starter aerogear. So again, this in the long term is much cheaper than any other class.

re: self heals. I've started using spark to heal because an archer who finds the right mobs to grind = autoshot+kb (or frost if needed) and that equates to readily available spark which I spend on to kill faster while having a heal as a bonus.

PvP wise, we're expensive to remain competitive.