To give or to Earn, that is the question

Zerza - Harshlands

Slashing TT drops etc, yet at the same time putting focus on gear to cash shop may earn a short term profit. But lets be honest,, a year down the road,, where do you plan to stand? You dare tread in a genre that prides itself on accomplishments,, then you make it impossible to accomplish anything unless you spend money.

My advice,, put drop rates back to normal, stop forcing players to get gear thru cash shop only. Sure it will work for you in the short term,, but im sure you devs have kids that need fed next year as well as this year lol. Think beyond the moment,, quit trying to be so greedy.

Real players dont want your lame anni packs,, we prefer to earn it. Puts the point into playing the game,, so quit making it impossible to earn it.

Rant is caused by 2 runs on dimentia squad mode high, yet only one mat dropped total in two runs. Quit being so greedy pwi, you didnt develop this game,, you bought it. My guess is noone there has a clue why PW was successful,, and now your guessing. If your gonna bring a game to America at least you pretend to understand the American gaming audience. Either that or go make Nintendo Wii games lol See this is MMORPG,, whats the point of MMO if the only way to advance is your greedy cash shop??? Kinda takes out the MMO outta MMORPG,, call it CSORPG,, or "cash shop only role playing game" No lie,, tt70 or 1-2, ran twice on squad with only 1 drop.

Again, at least pretend you understand the American gaming audience,, we are not Asians. The likelihood of Americans spending money just to look pretty is much lower then our fine Asian counterparts (read study reported on Reuters.com just today). Learn who your audience is and maybe you will still be around 1 year from today. Keep in mind,, our consumers remember forever a failure,, PWi has 2 current failure games out,, PWI is their only bread. Now you are attempting the same moves in PWI that caused every other game realesed by PWI to fail. Einstein says to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity. Get a clue.

LordChronis - Dreamweaver

b:laughb: as true as it is no amount of complaints will fix it. b:surrender

blindeyesniper

Zerza - Harshlands wrote: »

The likelihood of Americans spending money just to look pretty is much lower then our fine Asian counterparts (read study reported on Reuters.com just today).

What study? I wanna read.

Cy_clone - Heavens Tear

milk the money and change a new game. it works well so why should they make an exception?

oh and, inb4lock

Iyania - Heavens Tear

Well besides the fact that a few other threads have mention of this topic, there's not really a reason to lock it. As for redundant threads, the old ones have drifted from their intended purpose and have been locked. Instead of useless inb4lock comments, try sticking to the topic.

JadenFury - Sanctuary

Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well besides the fact that a few other threads have mention of this topic, there's not really a reason to lock it. As for redundant threads, the old ones have drifted from their intended purpose and have been locked. Instead of useless inb4lock comments, try sticking to the topic.

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b:pleased

Belligero - Sanctuary

I disagree.

Kannone - Heavens Tear

Belligero - Sanctuary wrote: »

I disagree.

You forgot to say, "InB4Lock."

Iyania - Heavens Tear

Well since most of the population of General Discussion have trouble with vocabulary beyond inb4lock, I guess there's no helping it. Sorry OP, good idea, but not enough IQ to go around to be productive.

LeirtA - Lost City

10 TT1-3 runs in single mode. Only 2 wardrums from drumboss. b:angry

Belligero - Sanctuary

You should already know solo mode is waste of time.

Alexeno - Sanctuary

Asmathi - Sanctuary

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:chuckle You beat me to it.

Alexeno - Sanctuary

Asmathi - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:chuckle You beat me to it.

i got skillz like that b:cool

shammahbenjudah

Zerza - Harshlands wrote: »

Slashing TT drops etc, yet at the same time putting focus on gear to cash shop may earn a short term profit. But lets be honest,, a year down the road,, where do you plan to stand? You dare tread in a genre that prides itself on accomplishments,, then you make it impossible to accomplish anything unless you spend money.

My advice,, put drop rates back to normal, stop forcing players to get gear thru cash shop only. Sure it will work for you in the short term,, but im sure you devs have kids that need fed next year as well as this year lol. Think beyond the moment,, quit trying to be so greedy.

Real players dont want your lame anni packs,, we prefer to earn it. Puts the point into playing the game,, so quit making it impossible to earn it.

Rant is caused by 2 runs on dimentia squad mode high, yet only one mat dropped total in two runs. Quit being so greedy pwi, you didnt develop this game,, you bought it. My guess is noone there has a clue why PW was successful,, and now your guessing. If your gonna bring a game to America at least you pretend to understand the American gaming audience. Either that or go make Nintendo Wii games lol See this is MMORPG,, whats the point of MMO if the only way to advance is your greedy cash shop??? Kinda takes out the MMO outta MMORPG,, call it CSORPG,, or "cash shop only role playing game" No lie,, tt70 or 1-2, ran twice on squad with only 1 drop.

Again, at least pretend you understand the American gaming audience,, we are not Asians. The likelihood of Americans spending money just to look pretty is much lower then our fine Asian counterparts (read study reported on Reuters.com just today). Learn who your audience is and maybe you will still be around 1 year from today. Keep in mind,, our consumers remember forever a failure,, PWi has 2 current failure games out,, PWI is their only bread. Now you are attempting the same moves in PWI that caused every other game realesed by PWI to fail. Einstein says to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity. Get a clue.

I tend to agree with you on this one. And it isn't just the TT drop rates that are so low. Normal gameplay does not financially support normal gameplay in this game. It does in the beginning...but once you need the hammer to open your first supply stash, it all goes to ****.

With current gold prices in excess of 400k on most servers, it would cost a level 50 player a minimum of 2 Million coins to get their level 50 supply stash opened. Unless they've had the good fortune to drop and sell many nice molds in their FB's AND they weren't ripped off by the folks running their FB's, most level 50 players will not be able to acquire and keep anywhere near that amount of coinage.

There are an incredible amount of nerfs in this game forcing either a dramatically slowed gameplay or CS sales. For example, the mid-level mats we need for so many different things are quite scarce compared to the lower and higher mats, and people have to camp them just to get an occasional farm. The drop rate for "drop only" mats is pathetically low as well forcing us to either farm for weeks to finish a manufacturing skill quest or pay way too much for someone elses mats...CS drop rate is 100% though.

We could write a book defining all the nerfs and and how they're effecting gameplay, but the thing is that for the most part, most of us "non mega guild holding massive territory" players don't make enough coin in the game to afford to play the game WITHOUT spending many RL $. And that's gettin' real old, real quick.

Iyania - Heavens Tear

How would it be fair that a veno in solo mode gets drops as often as a party of 6? I think the solo mode drop rates are fine. 1/6 that of party mode sounds about right.

Zuuka - Sanctuary

I just did a couple of TT2-2 High Mode, I seem to be actually getting more drops then usual, at one point Soulripper dropped 6 Manes and Feng dropped 6 bars. Maybe I'm just lucky. b:victory

Darksylph - Heavens Tear

Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How would it be fair that a veno in solo mode gets drops as often as a party of 6? I think the solo mode drop rates are fine. 1/6 that of party mode sounds about right.

Most (not all, there are exceptions, 3-1 being one) bosses in squad mode have a 33% chance to drop a mat, for each of 6 drops. One should average 2 mats dropped per boss (over the long run).

All bosses in solo mode have a 16.667% chance to drop a mat for each of only 3 drops. One should average .5 mats dropped per boss (over the long run). Thats 1/4th the drop rate already.

Then take into account that solo mode only give you the early bosses, the same bosses as you'd get in squad mode if you didnt use any subs to add bosses (and not even Dimentora in 1-2/3). However a Veno must use subs to even open solo mode at all. If squad mode uses subs, they get the solo mode bosses for free, then an additional 2-4 bosses worth of drops (for an additional 4-8 mats).

Now take also into account that since solo mode & unsubbed group tend to give greater surplusses of those particular mats, most of the mats in solo mode are incredibly cheaper & far less profitable (if at all) then added bosses of squad mode. War Drums & Forshuras Armor being the only 2 exceptions.

So the drop rate in solo is already lower profit per time and more costly (per player) overall then squad mode.

But the prior poster who got only 2 Drums in 10 runs still got royally jacked. Squad mode should avg 20 drums in 10 runs, solo mode should average 5 in 10 runs (over the long run).

Iyania - Heavens Tear

All very valid calculations, except you forgot one factor: Only venos can solo TTs; maybe barbs and BMs can solo a one that is below their level when they shouldn't need the mats anymore at the cost of a pricey charm bill.

Simply put, the opportunity cost.

StormHydra - Sanctuary

Eveyrone please quote threads like these in every single thread (related to this topic) you see...
The mods are restricted all these discussions to one thread, where its just annoying for people to slog through all the pages and people dont bother.

mogwai

tt 1-1 is fine, i just don't like getting perfect stones instead of potentially mirages or crusade orders

Deadlock - Heavens Tear

well one more same subject to add to the list of shame.
how the mighty have fallen..