Are Venomancers really the cheapest class in PWI?

doomaker

well,i already know they r lol.or i think they are.....anyways reason maybe:

1-No High MP skills cost thus no MP pots
2-no need for HP pots since u dun get hit
[no pots cost]

3-low repairings cost(almost nothing since u dun get hit anyways)
[only repairing money for weapon]

4-no ammo(arrows)
[no loop money]

5-they only need potions for pet's loyalty which doesnt cost much
[thus no much money needed for pet since u have skills for healing and reviving]^_~

well conclusion:

VenoMancers are the richest class who have money in inventory xD,can waste for better pets with better skills or flying mounts

if u have any other points pls add them or comment ty xD

P.S:can u pls check my dunno wat character to make topic in begginer's guide ty b:laugh

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

doomaker wrote: »

well,i already know they r lol.or i think they are.....anyways reason maybe:

1-No High MP skills cost thus no MP pots
2-no need for HP pots since u dun get hit
[no pots cost]

3-low repairings cost(almost nothing since u dun get hit anyways)
[only repairing money for weapon]

4-no ammo(arrows)
[no loop money]

5-they only need potions for pet's loyalty which doesnt cost much
[thus no much money needed for pet since u have skills for healing and reviving]^_~

well conclusion:

VenoMancers are the richest class who have money in inventory xD,can waste for better pets with better skills or flying mounts

if u have any other points pls add them or comment ty xD

P.S:can u pls check my dunno wat character to make topic in begginer's guide ty b:laugh

If you keep that line of thought, you will really get disapointed about venos.....

The key to be rich is not grinding. Any class can be rich, it is all about playing the market.

Grinding will only pay your bills, and you will not have any spare cash by the time you keep up your skills or gear. If you want cool stuff, than you have to save and not upgrade skills or gear, just like any other class. This will change somewhat once you hit level 73+ once you can run some of the FBs and TTs that have more valuable drops, however, once you take into consideration how long it takes to do those runs solo and costs that go with them, you will, more often than not, be breaking even, unless you get extremely lucky.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

This whole post is full of false, fail remarks.

1. Uhm, What planet are you on? Our Max skills have a pretty high mana cost, and a lot of Venos builds make them sacrifice Mana for defense & HP. All other classes get skills and buffs that aid them. Aside form our Speed Buff, our only Buff Over Time is Bramble Guard, which is useless when you are trying NOT to be hit. Thus we have to sacrafice fore more defense.

2. So Not true. I get hit all of the time. Not as much in PVE, but in PvP I am spammin those event pots like no bodies business.

3. Again not true. I have repair bills that get upwards of 75k sometimes. No, its not as much as say a barb, but soloing things really works the gear. Barbs in our faction have a "fund" and get paid for their costs, I do not.

4. This one is true, but the only classes that needs Ammo of any kind is an Archer.

5. LOL Try having a Herc/Nix and keeping it fed for loyalty. b:bye

Conclusion - We are NOT the richest class. Anyone can be the richest class when you know how to earn money at later levels. The richest people in my guild aren't Venos at all. Its them damn Blademasters. >.> LOL

Zoe - Heavens Tear

I only grind for my money and I get millions very easily. I recently saw an item I needed in the AH worth 3 mil. I did not have the coins at the time (I had no coins) and the auction would end soon. A person in the faction offered to buy it for me. I paid them off the next day and had money to spare, all from grinding.

My repair costs ARE low.

I only ever use pots in pvp, otherwise I just sell them to the NPC.

I don't run TT for things to sell, I end up at a loss on a TT run because all the mats go to faction members.

I still get enough coins to get whatever I want. All I ever do to get it...grind.

tweakz

Wiz is cheapest and wins at every point.

Now everyone go hate on Wiz.

Kristiona - Heavens Tear

I have never in my time leveling my veno ever paid 75k for repairs. I repair every time I sell and most I have ever paid repairing was like 30k. Only reason my bill at that point was so high was the fact that I had not repaired in a while.

As for the herc/nix feeding if have the christmas tome you only have to feed them if they die to rebuild loyalty.

Mothergoose - Sanctuary

Kristiona - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have never in my time leveling my veno ever paid 75k for repairs. I repair every time I sell and most I have ever paid repairing was like 30k. Only reason my bill at that point was so high was the fact that I had not repaired in a while.

As for the herc/nix feeding if have the christmas tome you only have to feed them if they die to rebuild loyalty.

I get hit with upward of 150k repair bill for every RB gamma run. A uselss squad member who never pulls any weight in rb will get low repair bill. Aside from that, better armor costs more to repair.b:chuckle

Then there are getting those legendary pets, which just got harder to obtain with coins now that gold prices doubled.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Kristiona - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have never in my time leveling my veno ever paid 75k for repairs. I repair every time I sell and most I have ever paid repairing was like 30k. Only reason my bill at that point was so high was the fact that I had not repaired in a while.

As for the herc/nix feeding if have the christmas tome you only have to feed them if they die to rebuild loyalty.

You must not Rebirth/PvP at all then. o.o; a True PVE only Veno probalby does'nt have mayn repairs..

and my Legendary Pets die a lot in TW.. It costs me a pretty peny to keep their loytaly above half so they don't lost any of their effectiveness. I have a Tome too for feeding..

Waterfal - Sanctuary

I gues the fact is that veno's can kill longer without need to meditate.
at a certain lvl we get soul transfusion, metabolic boost and nature's grace.
this way we can keep on grinding for hours without losing money to pots, or time to meditate.
this way>>faster moneymaking.

Mothergoose - Sanctuary

Waterfal - Sanctuary wrote: »

I gues the fact is that veno's can kill longer without need to meditate.
at a certain lvl we get soul transfusion, metabolic boost and nature's grace.
this way we can keep on grinding for hours without losing money to pots, or time to meditate.
this way>>faster moneymaking.

At low levels, it matters a lot. But you won't be spending that much time in low levels grinding anyway. At high levels, which usually makes up overwhelming majority of the time people spend on a mmorpg, the advantage fades away.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

Yeah, the advantage is that you can just keep fighting forever, no need to stop, no need to use items.

(You CAN fight a bit faster, and have to stop periodically/use items, but you never have to.)

That and low repair bills mean that, at lower levels, you have a very low expenditure.

Unless you buy the legendary pets. Then you've got to save up for them and feed them. And buy a tome. That costs.


As for making muchos moneys? Not so much. I pretty much break even now, I'm levelling faster than I can buy skills still.

And whilst you can run FBs and sell purples (and the very occasional yellow) the market is pretty much saturated. You'd do better just buying them cheap and selling them high.

Running TT... I'm experimenting. But you're looking at 80k+ to get in a solo run (the cheap shops ran out...) and that run will drop... if you're lucky an item that sells for 130k. If you're not lucky, a pair of celstones.
Running squad mode looks much more promising - if you can get a pair of you, or a trio if you lack hercules.

FatesBlood - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

Wiz is cheapest and wins at every point.

Now everyone go hate on Wiz.

wel lactully my lvl 61 wizy is jsut like veno but theres to many things missing 1. Cant grind as fast or get good enough cas hto even worry about it 2. most mages on the forums there are to dang cocky i dont know why defintly since we worked are buts off but ya you need to get to about lvl 80s i think to even go on par of a diff class so i quit my mage when i learned itd get harder at 60 after iworked my but off hard for it so all in all dont even think mage is cheap lol

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

costs of a high level veno:

-leveling your skills (for example, leveling wood mastery to 10 will be $320000)

-leveling your pets' skill ($500k per level)

-adding new moves to pet (up to $1400k per new skill)

-buying legendary pet-(mindblowing cost here!)

-buying rare pets-( a couple million possibly for a kowlin and shadou cub, for instance)

-buying pet food -(many thousands of $ if you get legendary pet,and counting Christmas Blessing as food, if you are under lv80 and buy it)

-buying new armour as you level up (or leveling your taloring skills) just one piece of armour can run into millions of $

-buying new sword as you level up (or leveling your smithing skill)- sword can run into the millions of $

-repair if you do the big instances, especially if you go foxform to debuff...has run for me as high as $17k


....so, yes, venos actually DO have expenses, just as anyone else does, and perhaps more if you buy a herc or phoenix.i have **never** understood why everyone says that venos have no expenses, and are the richest. the above are expenses i have or am stumped by, and why i will never be rich. i rarely have more than $100k-200k total.....

doomaker wrote: »

well,i already know they r lol.or i think they are.....anyways reason maybe:

1-No High MP skills cost thus no MP pots
2-no need for HP pots since u dun get hit
[no pots cost]

3-low repairings cost(almost nothing since u dun get hit anyways)
[only repairing money for weapon]

4-no ammo(arrows)
[no loop money]

5-they only need potions for pet's loyalty which doesnt cost much
[thus no much money needed for pet since u have skills for healing and reviving]^_~

well conclusion:

VenoMancers are the richest class who have money in inventory xD,can waste for better pets with better skills or flying mounts

if u have any other points pls add them or comment ty xD

P.S:can u pls check my dunno wat character to make topic in begginer's guide ty b:laugh

tweakz

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

-adding new moves to pet (up to $1400k per new skill)

I've paid up to 15m for a new skill + upgrades. I just bought Strong today for 7m.

Wiz's are much cheaper. They just aren't as independent.

FatesBlood - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

I've paid up to 15m for a new skill + upgrades. I just bought Strong today for 7m.

Wiz's are much cheaper. They just aren't as independent.

ya lol ug i hate my wizzy when i learned everyone one of my freinds are gonna pass me cause wizzy lvls to slow

Brael - Dreamweaver

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

....so, yes, venos actually DO have expenses, just as anyone else does, and perhaps more if you buy a herc or phoenix.i have **never** understood why everyone says that venos have no expenses, and are the richest. the above are expenses i have or am stumped by, and why i will never be rich. i rarely have more than $100k-200k total.....

Veno's are the cheapest long term. Low repairs and full of high one time costs, such as tomes and pet skills. Other classes like barbs/bm's have lower recurring costs. Given enough time those costs outpace the high costs we have, making us cheaper. This can take quite a bit of time to come true though.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

I can't grant you venos are the cheapest especially concerning the usefulness of their lvl79 skills. what i grant you is that venos have very low expenses with repairs (matching wizards) and use no mana unless you use myriad rainbow often.

Lyxxx - Heavens Tear

Venos cheap???? What other class is expected to spend $500.00+ (Nix and Hecr cost) to be able to compete with others?

Zoe - Heavens Tear

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

costs of a high level veno:

-leveling your pets' skill ($500k per level)

Overall low cost if you don't go overboard and have tons of pets

-adding new moves to pet (up to $1400k per new skill)
Same as above, I have not needed to teach my pets new skills

-buying legendary pet-(mindblowing cost here!)
well worth the price

-buying rare pets-( a couple million possibly for a kowlin and shadou cub, for instance)
useless cost, completely unneeded

-buying pet food -(many thousands of $ if you get legendary pet,and counting Christmas Blessing as food, if you are under lv80 and buy it)

1 time item that save you tons of money in the long run

-buying new armour as you level up (or leveling your taloring skills) just one piece of armour can run into millions of $

Make sure its high level gear you'll use for a very long time

-buying new sword as you level up (or leveling your smithing skill)- sword can run into the millions of $

same as above

-repair if you do the big instances, especially if you go foxform to debuff...has run for me as high as $17k

Using foxform attacks eats up durability, don't use them quite as much

....so, yes, venos actually DO have expenses, just as anyone else does, and perhaps more if you buy a herc or phoenix.i have **never** understood why everyone says that venos have no expenses, and are the richest. the above are expenses i have or am stumped by, and why i will never be rich. i rarely have more than $100k-200k total.....

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LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

Any class has the ability to the best few ways of making money:
1.) BEST WAY: merchanting. buy low, sell high. \
2.) farming materials via a specific route.

But, I tend to agree as venos being cheaper to play than other classes, say barbs and clerics. My lowest repair bill in a complete gamma was 25k lol.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

Any class has the ability to the best few ways of making money:
1.) BEST WAY: merchanting. buy low, sell high. \
2.) farming materials via a specific route.

But, I tend to agree as venos being cheaper to play than other classes, say barbs and clerics. My lowest repair bill in a complete gamma was 25k lol.

1: Better referred to as: Killing the game by driving up prices so high new players can't ever hope to afford them and quit because of it. Don't start your **** trying to defend your greed I've seen other mmos fall because of this.

2: Good luck doing that, too many others are already.

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1: Better referred to as: Killing the game by driving up prices so high new players can't ever hope to afford them and quit because of it. Don't start your **** trying to defend your greed I've seen other mmos fall because of this.

2: Good luck doing that, too many others are already.

Greed? It is a part of life buddy. World runs on money. Yeah so, you find a cheap mount for sale, you buy it, then find another buyer. How the hell is that greed? Its a part of game. You are the one starting ****, first person to mention that merchanting is ruining the game. ALL games have this, and money both in the game and in life revolve around this concept. Learn to live it or get used by it.

I dont know why I even bothered to respond to you Zoe. You come up with some of the most stupid posts and arguments ever. Even worst than teartroll.

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

Greed? It is a part of life buddy. World runs on money. Yeah so, you find a cheap mount for sale, you buy it, then find another buyer. How the hell is that greed? Its a part of game. You are the one starting ****, first person to mention that merchanting is ruining the game. ALL games have this, and money both in the game and in life revolve around this concept. Learn to live it or get used by it.

I dont know why I even bothered to respond to you Zoe. You come up with some of the most stupid posts and arguments ever. Even worst than teartroll.

I would have to agree. PWI is quite good at allowing supply and demand to determine pricing. It is actually quite an efficient micro-economy and you can virtually watch as prices adjust real-time to accomodate news of sales or other events that will affect supply or demand.

If PWI starts trying to control the arbitrage, that will kill the game.

Brael - Dreamweaver

Lyxxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Venos cheap???? What other class is expected to spend $500.00+ (Nix and Hecr cost) to be able to compete with others?

Barbarians. That's about 3-4 months worth of charms.
Clerics. Again, that's a couple months of charms.

There's two. Veno's have high one time costs, but very low recurring costs. Other classes are the opposite, with moderate to high recurring costs, and few if any class specific one time costs.

1: Better referred to as: Killing the game by driving up prices so high new players can't ever hope to afford them and quit because of it. Don't start your **** trying to defend your greed I've seen other mmos fall because of this.

The world runs on greed. Prices don't rise (significantly) due to merchanting either, what makes prices rise is inflation. When there's more coin on the server, coin is worth less, prices rise to compensate. In addition to this, like in all MMO's, as better gear comes out, the old top of the line stuff loses value, making it affordable by people without a lot of coin. In a game like PW which doesn't have much in the way of item sinks, you also see equipment devalue over time as the market becomes saturated and there's less buyers, not to mention more sellers as more people are able to get the gear in question. Not to mention the whole idea of Buy/Sell shops which work out great, those who can't or don't want to use a catshop/AH can sell mats, and others turn and resell at a markup. That's just part of having an economy.

2: Good luck doing that, too many others are already.

It's a big world, there's spots that people don't farm. I'm not saying it is/isn't the best way to get coin currently, but a lot of mat spawns go untouched.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

You openly admit you don't give a **** about new players. "Lets buy everything they could possibly ever afford, then sell it for triple the price!" You actually expect new players to get by? Robbing the poor, and giving to the rich, thats all you are doing. That is greed, plain and simple. The games and worlds econs are not run by supply and demand, supply and demand does not exist. They are run purely by greed.

Tell me this if your so-called "supply and demand" actually exists. Here is a real thing I have actually seen. There was an infinite supply of a popular item, infinite! Every player could get as many as they wanted for free, no restrictions! The price of each item was still in the 10s of millions!

What's that? INFINITE supply and NO demand yet still very high prices?

Reselling to make sure the prices keep going up, **** over any low level players the game may have later on, causing them to leave because they know they'll never be able to afford a thing?!

I have left 2 mmos (along with most of the other players) because player greed got so high, the above actually happened. I have recieved word that a few of the other mmos I have played, have also suffered the exact same fate. Heck, the real life econ is facing the SAME problem right now!

You can talk and spew your garbage all you want. You can never hide the fact that your extreme greed ruins games, and real life!

You have received a new quest!

Kill: Yourself.

Reward: Less greed in the world.

Devilbloods - Sanctuary

i agree with her but plse dont get me involved in this i think buying low prices from other people like one time i found a 40 or 30k verenda top bronze and sadly ibought it it has a bit of greed to it cause what if that pearson dident know the real price? plus that 30k could have got new players that coat. its a bit of guilt that drives you sigh but if you dident buy low and sell high there would be no merchneting in mmos which would prob mean everything would be gone in mins cause the low prices XD

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

So, a lower level player cant buy an item say, some ultimate substances when prices are low, then sell to a higher leveled desperate player for extra cash? Is that what you call greed? New players also have the right and the ability to farm mats, and buy low and sell high. Reselling does not mean the prices will go up. The only people that will buy the overpriced 3x items are the rich themselves and are either desperate or money is not much of an issue, and the ones who are selling are likely the poorer and trying to make money.

The rich did not magically become "rich". They in some way, shape, or form attained it through work themselves. Whether it be real life work then buying from the boutique, or working in game to attain coins. So, the people who work to attain their money are greedy? Everyone started a low point, and worked their way up. New players can do the exact same thing.

This game, like almost everything in the world is a business, not a charity.

And when you say, selling for triple the price. You just proved the law of supply and demand. If some random person tries to sell for 3x the price, no one would buy, as demand would not be high. There are other supplies that will be willing to sell lower.

Kylley - Sanctuary

This is turning into a war and getting really off topic, maybe you two should stop it b:surrender Everyone have their opinions. So Please, stop that fight b:thanks

Devilbloods - Sanctuary

Kylley - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is turning into a war and getting really off topic, maybe you two should stop it b:surrender Everyone have their opinions. So Please, stop that fight b:thanks

i agree

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear

On topic:
Venos are cheap during low levels. At around 50+ when they start to save for a Legendary they get really expensive.

Different classes have different time periods during which they are cheap and expensive.

That is what makes the choice between classes interesting. You choose what class suits your game style.

Kylley - Sanctuary

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On topic:
Venos are cheap during low levels. At around 50+ when they start to save for a Legendary they get really expensive.

Different classes have different time periods during which they are cheap and expensive.

That is what makes the choice between classes interesting. You choose what class suits your game style.

b:shockedb:surrender