I don't get it..

God - Dreamweaver

GM said that the purpose of Jolly Jones was to drain coins out of the economy and lower gold prices but gold is still very high when compared the prices from before the bombardment of sale events and Jolly Jones and after.
Now I'm starting to think that the GM lied. Another sale is coming... Hurray?

Tomiko - Heavens Tear

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Making statements such as "GMs lie" does not help.....

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

...But they kinda did, they said they were trying to lower gold prices. Then once Jolly was gone they didn't stop with the sales, they are knowingly keeping gold prices high. They might as well have made gold a fixed 200k per gold after implementing a box that makes 5 gold turn into 1mil coins.

It's obvious that they are bleeding as much money out of players as they can before A I O N comes out

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

...But they kinda did, they said they were trying to lower gold prices. Then once Jolly was gone they didn't stop with the sales, they are knowingly keeping gold prices high. They might as well have made gold a fixed 200k per gold after implementing a box that makes 5 gold turn into 1mil coins.

It's obvious that they are bleeding as much money out of players as they can before A I O N comes out

Than gold would had costed more... it is only 160k-170k on HT

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Guessing thats the buying price, people are still selling at over 200k.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Guessing thats the buying price, people are still selling at over 200k.

selling is 160k170k.... buying is in the 150sk It may go up a little today with the orb sales, but I have not checked gold prices in a few hours, although I expect it to go up to 180k or so

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Think it'll stay that way once the dragon orb sale starts?

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Think it'll stay that way once the dragon orb sale starts?

Nope, i expect it to go up to 180ishk
even during JJ, our gold stayed at 180-190k

Hallepaurion - Dreamweaver

Been here... Done that... look at my post a day ago... it's a fascinating read on the economics perceived and real of PWI.

at the end of the day, there's actually quite an intricate balanced economy... gold will not go much above 200k because of 1Mil boxes (except on an occaisional sale). Gold will also not go down to the 130k I used to see it at because of demand...

there's ur fluxuation... enjoy

Tomiko - Heavens Tear

Hallepaurion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

gold will not go much above 200k because of 1Mil boxes (except on an occaisional sale). Gold will also not go down to the 130k I used to see it at because of demand...

Where in the world do you people get gold is not going to go above 200k because of chest of coins. Gold does *not* go down in this game. It only goes *UP*, because of *supply* and *demand*. Economics 101.

Koteto - Harshlands

in harshlands the gold its back to normal b:victory

Foxx - Heavens Tear

Hallepaurion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

gold will not go much above 200k because of 1Mil boxes

I fail to see the logic behind this often made claim.
If gold goes up to 200k people will just stop opening their boxes, ie stop buying hammers. I dont see how this stops the price going higher if the demand is there. Imagine a jolly jones event where the rewards didnt include fruit or molds. I can see it going well over 200k.

As far as I can work it out, the effect of the 1M coin boxes is to push the price of gold up whenever it dips below 200k. And the lower it drops, the more people will open their old boxes they have been saving, so it will continually push the price back up to 200k.

If someone wants to post a well reasoned argument as to why it will stop the gold going over 200k Id be interested to hear, but it seems to me once the gold price is over 200k, it just becomes a useless item and doesn't effect anything except your bank storage space.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

b:chuckle i remember the hammer was sold like 3 weeks ago on Dreamwaver for 500k and people complained that it was expensive. Now i see selling them for 800k+ Dont know if its normaly to raise the pirce within 3 weeks over 160%

Other then this the Gold price got crazy on Dremawaver. It goes up and down from 180 to 220 within one hour. b:shocked Noone wants to buy anymore since its out of control

Darkjagans - Heavens Tear

Well prices on HT are around 180-190k atm

Was this sale really necessary... i mean i can understand the company needs to make money...

But we've had like 3895718758915* sales already and we just had a dragon orb sale less than 2 weeks ago >.>

Guess i'll have to wait a while before i can get the new aerogear


*Not actual amount :P

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

So every week something is on sale. Just what is cheap changes each week.

This seems perfectly reasonable to me. Just sit back, wait 'till what you actually want is cheap, and go.

Darkjagans - Heavens Tear

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So every week something is on sale. Just what is cheap changes each week.

This seems perfectly reasonable to me. Just sit back, wait 'till what you actually want is cheap, and go.

Yeah I can understand what you mean

But the thing is, for most players who don't spend real money, there's no point of a sale if it's basically the same or better without it

Great for those who do spend real cash on the game though...

I mean i would rather they fix the numerous amount of bugs in the game than to have sales bombarded at us non-stop

And as OP mentioned; the GMs said they acknowledged that gold prices are high and yet they're just throwing large sales after large salesb:shocked

And did i mention they just had a dragon orb sale less than 2 weeks ago? :P

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear

I thought the PWI problem was a bad communication between GMs and Devs or just lazy Devs but it seems I also have to add this

DinoRawrr - Sanctuary

Maybe all of the sales and ruined economy are here to distract us from all of the bugs they are "working" out? O.o

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

b:pleased wrote it in another thread but you came up with this topic

I dont think GM communicate with developers of the GAME. They are just administrators for PWI and nothing else. They buy packages/mounts/cloths etc from chinese servers (to sell them to us...so we kinda pay the license for usage) and report bugs (like we all do here) as customer to them. Its not up to them to fix it. Its just their job to inform the developer company.
We all remember the messed up bugs on smilieys..they had chinese letters. As well we do know that Summer Camp Cloths are not Camp Cloths at all b:laugh just japanese school uniform. But i admit that there are to many bugs that should have been done ages ago (like fb69....still bugged...). Rather would invest some cash there then releasing dragon orbs every second week.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If someone wants to post a well reasoned argument as to why it will stop the gold going over 200k Id be interested to hear, but it seems to me once the gold price is over 200k, it just becomes a useless item and doesn't effect anything except your bank storage space.

Have you ever heard the old adage, "To a man with a hammer, all problems look like a nail"?

I think that's basically what's happening. You've got people with some education in economics and when they see the coin boxes and prices hovering below 200k they think, "I recognize this! I'm going to apply my knowledge to solve this problem!" But just like a guy walking around with a hammer looking for random things to thwack with it, they get it wrong.

Lairian - Sanctuary

Don't the devs need the money from sales to pay the programmers to fix the bugs? If they don't get enough money to pay their employees, then PWE won't be able to do much. With so many bugs to fix, and a new game coming out, they do need all the money hey can get without actually making this a p2p game.

And while a person could look at the high gold prices as a bad thing that makes it so nobody can buy things, one can also look at it another way. A person can see it as a personal challenge. If someone wants a new mount or aerogear, but can't use real money for it, wouldn't it feel like said player truly accomplished something when he/she finally saves up enough money to buy it? Just think of it as a way to help people learn how to make, and save money more effectively, instead of QQing at every opportunity.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver

Lairian - Sanctuary wrote: »

Don't the devs need the money from sales to pay the programmers to fix the bugs? If they don't get enough money to pay their employees, then PWE won't be able to do much. With so many bugs to fix, and a new game coming out, they do need all the money hey can get without actually making this a p2p game.

And while a person could look at the high gold prices as a bad thing that makes it so nobody can buy things, one can also look at it another way. A person can see it as a personal challenge. If someone wants a new mount or aerogear, but can't use real money for it, wouldn't it feel like said player truly accomplished something when he/she finally saves up enough money to buy it? Just think of it as a way to help people learn how to make, and save money more effectively, instead of QQing at every opportunity.

O.o what sales? Releasing every second week new mounts and cloths? Its not the way to "safe" the money. They pay for the license more then for fixing the bugs. Its called economy to attract the player to the shop. Nothing more or less. All i saw so far on these patches are small fix on bugs (like smileys) since it was probably a bug within the patch they got from developers of the game.
Its a personal challenge to get a mount for 15mil one day and see how the gold drops on second day, selling it then for 3mil? I think its waste of time. PWI is not the right place to "safe" the money effectivetly.You will always need it...on repairs, on weapons, on armor, on wines, on skills (not like in real life for retirement arrangement lol)...there is no way to safe the coins now since the prices drops up and down. Its not like in real life when everything gets constantly more expensive and you earn more money. As you can see prices in boutique dropped yet people are selling gold for 200k now and not cheaper like it should be. As well its not like we get more coins from NPC for mats etc. So actually it works totaly random on PWI (for now). You got the coins, you buy what you want if you are lucky.

And noone did QQ here...i just think its obvious that some things cant be solved as people wish them to. So you accept it and learn from other players how to deal with it or you write here in the thread, hoping that some preassure would help YOU and OTHER players to fix the bugs. Dont know why people keep saying to others to stop QQ. Its for everyone best-if you dont like it..dont read it. If they fix it, be happy with it..after all some of us had guts to complain so you can have a bugfree game.

eatwithspoons

There have been plenty of threads made on this subject, no need for another one. please try to post in pre-existing threads in the future