How should I build a good pvp Wizard?

Oscis - Lost City
Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Wizard
Hey I've been trying different builds for a Wizard, but in the long run I am not sure which will work best over all. I am thinking about going either 1 str 3 vit 6 mag every 2 lvls with robes or 1 str 1 dex 3 mag a lvl with light armor. So over all will I be able to take more physical damage by having light armor and adding hp, or having robes and adding physical defense?
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    pre-90 LA
    past 90 pure

    anymore questions?
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Shibusen - Dreamweaver
    Shibusen - Dreamweaver Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I have to agree with the babe above me.
    b:shocked
  • Abysm - Heavens Tear
    Abysm - Heavens Tear Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    thirded, 3mag 1str 1dex every level 'til 90, then restat to arcane.
  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Though if you don't pvp, like me, Oh wait, you're on lost... yeah listen to them lol.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    With lots of money, of course.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Shibusen - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I have to agree with the babe above me.

    awww
    <3Shibusen b:cute
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    pre-90 LA
    past 90 pure

    anymore questions?

    By pure you mean 1 str 9 mag every 2 lvls?
  • Mizorie - Lost City
    Mizorie - Lost City Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Heavy amour build, don't worry about other mages. we have a understanding to not kill each other.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Dalamaar: Mizorie you have no soul.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Oscis - Lost City wrote: »
    By pure you mean 1 str 9 mag every 2 lvls?

    yep
    unless you cant afford to refine your gear to +5
    you might want to add vit to get 4k Hp at 90
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizorie - Lost City wrote: »
    Heavy amour build, don't worry about other mages. we have a understanding to not kill each other.

    ^^ this ^^
    sorry for double posting :p

    dont go HA though ;3
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yep
    unless you cant afford to refine your gear to +5
    you might want to add vit to get 4k Hp at 90

    ok. So I should add vit only if I can't refine my equiptment? or should I add vit either way?
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yep
    (ignore message)
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Oscis - Lost City wrote: »
    Ok. So I should get my hp to 4k by lvl 90 even if I can refine my equiptment? or only if I can't?

    get TT90 green
    refine it as much as you can
    depending on how much HP you have add vit until you get 4k HP if you get 4k HP with refines just go pure mag
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    get TT90 green
    refine it as much as you can
    depending on how much HP you have add vit until you get 4k HP if you get 4k HP with refines just go pure mag

    ok thanks. So I don't need extra physical defense either?
  • xxxdsmer
    xxxdsmer Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    *facepalm*

    'grabs Oscis's ear'

    "TURN YOUR BRAIN ON MAN!"
    i'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
    but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
    QQ'd about a nix lately? check out this thread n tell me who's "OP" lol..
    (copy and paste this to address bar):
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=102172
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    xxxdsmer wrote: »
    *facepalm*

    'grabs Oscis's ear'

    "TURN YOUR BRAIN ON MAN!"

    -_- just making sure
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    here let me show you
    this
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=00d32414e2874b60
    since i was able to get 4k HP without adding vit
    its a full mag build
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    here let me show you
    gimme a sec plz

    Oh ok thank you that cleared it all up. 1 str 9 mag every 2 lvls, One of the lvls I won't put any poins in mag so i can save 3 points all the time in case later on I need a little more str, and hp and physical defense Shards. And I gotta make sure the vit adds up to around of 52 with hp shards for 4k hp. Thanks
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Oscis - Lost City wrote: »
    Oh ok thank you that cleared it all up. 1 str 9 mag every 2 lvls, One of the lvls I won't put any poins in mag so i can save 3 points all the time in case later on I need a little more str, and hp and physical defense Shards. And I gotta make sure the vit adds up to around of 52 with hp shards for 4k hp. Thanks

    no no no you keep adding mag
    the reason why i had less str in that build is because my gear had +str on it so i was able to add more to mag
    all the vit is from equipment also
    red stats = equipment
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    no no no you keep adding mag
    the reason why i had less str in that build is because my gear had +str on it so i was able to add more to mag
    all the vit is from equipment also
    red stats = equipment

    yea I know the red stats are from equiptment. I'll just save some stat points and add extra str as needed if the equipment I happen to have doesn't add str
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    well in that case just restat to normal
    but i would get my gear first then restat just in case you can take advantage of getting rid of str for more mag
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    well in that case just restat to normal
    but i would get my gear first then restat just in case you can take advantage of getting rid of str for more mag

    I kinda want to avoid restating. I'm not planning on spending any real life money on this game, but I can buy gold from other players if I needed some restat notes (whatever they're called redistribute attributes) if I needed to restat right?
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Oscis - Lost City wrote: »
    I kinda want to avoid restating. I'm not planning on spending any real life money on this game, but I can buy gold from other players if I needed some restat notes (whatever they're called redistribute attributes) if I needed to restat right?

    And that's why I wanted to save some stat points, just in case I can take advantage of more mag. I'll only add str if I need to
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    restating isnt all that bad
    you can easily do it with in game money
    another good tip is
    if you have enough str/dex and plan on restating you can add 5 mag about lvl 80 to 90
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Ok. 2.7k Physical defense for lvl 90 still sounds a bit low. Would that be enough to keep me alive at least for a while in pvp with 4k hp?
  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Did you even attempt to read the guide that says it's for PVP MAGES???

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=131201



    edit:
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    another good tip is
    if you have enough str/dex and plan on restating you can add 5 mag about lvl 80 to 90

    With all due respect, (that makes it okay :D), this is stupid (aka not a good tip).

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/ <- play with the stat builds yourself

    Also; Mage = PW's (all versions') hard mode. If you're having this much trouble before you even roll the damn character, why not just stick with your cleric? Or roll an archer?


    b:bye
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Oscis - Lost City wrote: »
    Ok. 2.7k Physical defense for lvl 90 still sounds a bit low. Would that be enough to keep me alive at least for a while in pvp with 4k hp?

    its perfect
    dont forget our pdef buff that doubles that
    so its 5.4k pdef self buffed and it stacks with cleric and BM buff
    you will have more than enough pdef
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Oscis - Lost City
    Oscis - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    "Did you even attempt to read the guide that says it's for PVP MAGES???"
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    its perfect
    dont forget our pdef buff that doubles that
    so its 5.4k pdef self buffed and it stacks with cleric and BM buff
    you will have more than enough pdef

    Ok yea forgot about that buff. And I did read that guide.. it still didn't make it clear in the long run which would be better robes or light armor.

    (edit) actually it seems to lean more toward light armor
  • Moobysnax - Lost City
    Moobysnax - Lost City Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    In my own experience I like full mag better. I have used an LA build before and at lvl 66 I restated to pure mag. I don't really have money for decent equipment but I truly have 2 shot robe users of the 6x lvls with mag attacks as a 6x, and even a 7x robe mage. They probably weren't the best pk'ers in all honesty. The first thing after my restat was a 7x robe mage with a veno help, the veno didn't reach me yet but the mage was hitting me with weak attacks so I did the same until I got 2 sparks then I used sutra to pop a divine pyro in which we basically died at the same time. In an experience with a 6x robe veno, I just used sutra then sandstorm and divine pyro which took her out. Same with a **** cleric that tried to gank me, but I was grinding and had no sparks for sutra, he was effin around with sleep and took too long to do whatever he was doing so I shot off sandstorm and divine pyro the slow way and we died at the same time. The lvls of my skills were lvl 7 sand storm, lvl 8 earth mastery, lvl 10 divine pyro, lvl 6 fire mastery. None of those players I went against had a charm, so I'm not quite sure why they went pvp on me. But that's all purely based on my experiences. Barbs... are still hard as **** to kill (way too much HP :[ )and BM's my own lvl I haven't had any experience with since I made the switch. The reason I restated to be honest was because I hardly ever PK, I only do it when killed or at a failed attempt to kill me with a player of a reasonable lvl. I have had a 7x Cleric one shot me, I only have about 1.5k hp with my crappy gears and 3 vit. I just like being a glass cannon better than a plastic shotgun.
  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    It's all up to preference. LA build is best for a PvP server (citing the first 20 pages of Pandora's guide + arguments + rebuttals).

    Some say re-stat at 90. By then you aught be able to afford the whole thing with no problems using in-game coins (if not... you lose the game).

    Some say to stay with LA until lv. 96+... who really cares? That's so many months down the road if you're just starting; by the time you get there you'll be an expert by way of personal experience and what the guides say won't matter anymore.

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