Refining Transfer Unavailable

Marhalt - Sanctuary

I did a search and came up with nothing. Apologies up front if I missed the post on this.

Was wondering how long refining transfer will be unavailable. Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Marhalt

Zoe - Heavens Tear

The last word on this from a GM said they have no intention of ever implementing this.

Calliope - Heavens Tear

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=1995421&postcount=4

Kantorek wrote: »

We currently have no plans to release Chienkun stones.

Starrr - Harshlands

refining transfer would be good for players but bad for PWI's bottom line. therefore they will never be added because PWI cares more about their pocket books. more players are starting to notice this and are starting to get sick of how this game is run.

Belial - Heavens Tear

I was hoping it would get implemented - if only for +12s.

Surely, it makes little difference to PWI financially. If an archer sells his +12bow ingame and buys a +12 crossbow with ingame money it is the same thing as getting a refine transfer since PWI don't get anymore money out of that player?

eatwithspoons

Starrr - Harshlands wrote: »

refining transfer would be good for players but bad for PWI's bottom line. therefore they will never be added because PWI cares more about their pocket books. more players are starting to notice this and are starting to get sick of how this game is run.

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If we added this item people would buy it constantly, and then the same accusations would be made. People are going to get mad at us regardless of what we do or do not do.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If we added this item people would buy it constantly, and then the same accusations would be made. People are going to get mad at us regardless of what we do or do not do.

do eet, just make it affordable

truekossy

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If we added this item people would buy it constantly, and then the same accusations would be made. People are going to get mad at us regardless of what we do or do not do.

Depends on the price. Sale or not, refining a single item to +12 is... expensive. To put it lightly. Unless the stones were made to be the price of a nix/herc (or possibly more) anyone who complained about it would be shot down instantly by those of us who remember how it is now: Only being able to refine your "endgame" equips to the max because it's too expensive to bother with any other gears and not worth it in the least to do it for a single set, muchless multiple ones every 10 levels.

Starrr - Harshlands

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If we added this item people would buy it constantly, and then the same accusations would be made. People are going to get mad at us regardless of what we do or do not do.

ok i didnt word it very good. when refining full set of equips costs 22308 gold even with the sale it makes it pretty much impossible to refine equips much before whatever you intend to be your endgame equips. that only covers the refines and doesnt even add in the cost of decent shards.

i wouldnt expect the price to be very low. even if it was 100 gold for the transfer which would make it worthwhile if an item was upgraded to around +9. at least it would give people the option to upgrade some of their lower equips and not have to respend $1000 to upgrade a new item.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If we added this item people would buy it constantly, and then the same accusations would be made. People are going to get mad at us regardless of what we do or do not do.

poor spoons b:sad
we wuvs you GMsb:cute
....and aryanna >_>

P.S. 900th post

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If we added this item people would buy it constantly, and then the same accusations would be made. People are going to get mad at us regardless of what we do or do not do.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner!!!! Yeah you are right! No matter what, someone is not going to be happy. Can't please the world all at the same time.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

I don't really see why people would complain if it was put into PWI, except if they priced it way out there. But as it is right now.. it is kind of insulting to have the NPC there anyways promoting the idea, but then being told we won't have it. Remove the NPC.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

I don't really see why people would complain if it was put into PWI, except if they priced it way out there. But as it is right now.. it is kind of insulting to have the NPC there anyways promoting the idea, but then being told we won't have it. Remove the NPC.

The QQing would go something like this"

"This is soo unfair, why do the cash shop guys get to transfer their high refines to their new weapons... I only play 30 minutes a day and I do not have any real life money, and it is not fair they get to do it and I can't"

or

"Because of their greed, the company now is messing up the economy, 1 week ago you could find a nice +7 weapon/gear for sale at a resonable price, now they go for 10 times more, we the players that do not use cash shop now cannot get access to high refined gear unless we buy orbs... way to make this a F2P game.... Greed is ruining the game... I jsut want to play for free and not have to work hard and get everything...."

I can think of quite a few other whines, just based on this weeks whinning list with the new stuff put in game.... people even found a way to complain about something new they get for free in addition to the unchanged stuff....

Bowlinbob - Lost City

meh, still it would be easier to remove the npc so we aren't reminded of something another version has and we don't.

eatwithspoons

boo4u wrote: »

yeah i noticed the transfer npc by the crazystone person..if it dont work isnt a form of false advertisement?

No, because the item isn't in the shop. False advertisement would be if we had it in the shop, but there was no NPC to use it. You do not lose anything by not knowing the item isn't in the game, it doesn't harm you in any way.

Susylu - Heavens Tear

eatwithspoons wrote: »

No, because the item isn't in the shop. False advertisement would be if we had it in the shop, but there was no NPC to use it. You do not lose anything by not knowing the item isn't in the game, it doesn't harm you in any way.

is there anyway to remove the npc then? just seems rather lonely there with no purpose lol b:surrender

eatwithspoons

Susylu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

is there anyway to remove the npc then? just seems rather lonely there with no purpose lol b:surrender

I'll ask about it, but removing NPCs can be hard depending on how many other game functions are tied into them. If that's the case, I assume they left it in because it would be too much work to remove it if they need to add it again later on

Susylu - Heavens Tear

eatwithspoons wrote: »

I'll ask about it, but removing NPCs can be hard depending on how many other game functions are tied into them. If that's the case, I assume they left it in because it would be too much work to remove it if they need to add it again later on

haha thank you b:victory never really bothered me but the issue will probably pop up again some time =P

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

eatwithspoons wrote: »

I'll ask about it, but removing NPCs can be hard depending on how many other game functions are tied into them. If that's the case, I assume they left it in because it would be too much work to remove it if they need to add it again later on

Since you use him to add sockets as well, I have a feeling that NPC will be around forever....

Absoluth - Heavens Tear

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If we added this item people would buy it constantly, and then the same accusations would be made. People are going to get mad at us regardless of what we do or do not do.

You know thats not what would happen. The entire PWI comunity would be thrilled knowing they could refine their lv 60, 70, 80 weaps and even bound items to as high as they afford cuz it would ultimately be transferred to higher and better items. I myself would love it, considered the best lv 80 bow is auto-bound. The cost of the bow itself isnt high (about 6M to make) for the timeframe you'd be using (about 3~4 months from lv 80~90). Problem is, you need to refine and add sockets+shards so that its dmg can go higher than a normal tt xbow that already with refine+shards is alot cheaper than plain gold bow. So i rather use a weaker bow that i can sell later for a better one than wasting money, shards and dragon orbs to refine a bow that will become completely useless/worthless.
Trust me, you wouldnt hear a peep from a single player if this transfer system were to be implemented.

Truth is, the income from buying a single stone wouldnt even scratch the surface of what players spend on dragon orbs on each new weapon they buy/make, which is why our little hosts never bothered to implement it. As always, money first, players second.

Seablue - Sanctuary

Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You know thats not what would happen. The entire PWI comunity would be thrilled knowing they could refine their lv 60, 70, 80 weaps and even bound items to as high as they afford cuz it would ultimately be transferred to higher and better items. I myself would love it, considered the best lv 80 bow is auto-bound. The cost of the bow itself isnt high (about 6M to make) for the timeframe you'd be using (about 3~4 months from lv 80~90). Problem is, you need to refine and add sockets+shards so that its dmg can go higher than a normal tt xbow that already with refine+shards is alot cheaper than plain gold bow. So i rather use a weaker bow that i can sell later for a better one than wasting money, shards and dragon orbs to refine a bow that will become completely useless/worthless.
Trust me, you wouldnt hear a peep from a single player if this transfer system were to be implemented.

Truth is, the income from buying a single stone wouldnt even scratch the surface of what players spend on dragon orbs on each new weapon they buy/make, which is why our little hosts never bothered to implement it. As always, money first, players second.

I don't think that's the case. I read somewhere (forgot where) that you can only transfer refine to equipment of lower or equal grade as the orginal equipment. The number of stones needed to transfer refinement also increases as the grade of the weapon goes up, kinda works like socket stones.

So you won't be able to transfer a +12 refine to a gx from a supply stash hammer. And it'll probably need quite a bit of those stones to transfer refine from a grade 12 to agrade 12 weapon. Only useful if you're using a temporary weapon.

Singsung - Sanctuary

Seablue - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. I read somewhere (forgot where) that you can only transfer refine to equipment of lower or equal grade as the orginal equipment. The number of stones needed to transfer refinement also increases as the grade of the weapon goes up, kinda works like socket stones.

So you won't be able to transfer a +12 refine to a gx from a supply stash hammer. And it'll probably need quite a bit of those stones to transfer refine from a grade 12 to agrade 12 weapon. Only useful if you're using a temporary weapon.

I think you can transfer refinement levels to any piece of equipment regardless of item level. Number of stones needed gets increased with item level is what I heard too.

I just checked, it says "Source's Refining Lv. must be higher than target's" so it has nothing to do with item level.

Untamedchaos - Sanctuary

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The last word on this from a GM said they have no intention of ever implementing this.

another example of how greedy PWI is, making us buy dragon orbs all over again

NeroACH - Sanctuary

There is alot of stuff that isnt inplemented from the Pay2Play version of this game. The housing system for instance. I can tell u that if they ever did implement the stones that it wouldnt be cheap by any stretch of the imagination, and ofc complaining would follow. If i remember correctly the managment for this version of the game has very little to do with decisions on when stuff is released. They r at the will of what is sent to them from the original programers for this version. So assuming i am not mistaken, complaining about this kind of stuff on these forums is some what pointless.

_Icefire_ - Lost City

Wow b:shocked, well, forget this server then xD. Kinda sucky that you can't transfer refine, since this server is much better ran than my en. But really, no fortune stones=fail. It's really good for f2players like me, and being a wizard (mage) on the other server and going the f2p route hasn't been easy >_>. Fortune stones really did make it possible for me to get really nice eq without wasting too much time/money.

eatwithspoons wrote: »

I'll ask about it, but removing NPCs can be hard depending on how many other game functions are tied into them. If that's the case, I assume they left it in because it would be too much work to remove it if they need to add it again later on

Don't see it happening period b:surrender I remember on the server i play on when they requested that gold HH eq be unsoulbound, they told our GMs that it was impossible due to it being in all version of the game already. Would be strange that they would change a npc for only 1 server that doesn't use fortune stones b:chuckle

DarkSniper - Lost City

Nice necro dude.

_Icefire_ - Lost City

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

Nice necro dude.

woops, xD, epic fail b:laugh seems my post went to the completey wrong thread b:shocked

eatwithspoons

This is a duplicate topic b:bye