Corruption

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Today I recieved two Bounty hunter quests.

The first I'm ok with, Cenequus polearm. Inside FB69 same as last two days.

The second one, Styngean Quatermaster... a boss in FB79, great. Give me two different FB bosses, each requiring two wines each to get a squad to help me.

Incase you don't notice, making the wine for both these FB's will require 50 of each high mat, 200 in total. Seeing as everyone 8X/9X on the server needs these the price has jumped to 4k a mat, so for my daily I have to pay 800k or fail to level at the same speed as others.

So as a wizard I can make around 250k a day after pot replacement, repairs etc. From several hours grinding.

This is no longer feeling like a game, just a business. A way for the Developers to line their pockets with as much money as possible.

The Developers of this game are using what I can only call scams. We have the many many glitches in the Cube of Fate.

In the past 'count the apples' had a text error that showed all options for numbers of apples the same, making it a wild stab in the dark with a 1 in 3 chance of success, this took around two months to fix.

It was a text error, a frikkin monkey could fix that. But of course it cost players extra money which the developers love, so they actively chose to leave it for a while.

We have a room in the cube still, that gives you a two minute timer to kill mobs for exp. Fail to hand in the quest in time and your sent back to the lobby. It's well known that the timer is 'actually' set to 1.45mins, so anyone who tries to follow the timer fails. The developers have left this in to cheat people out of their money.

We have an option to buy pets for venomancers from the boutique. Both are in prime position to abuse glitches, making them more attractive to purchase.

Hercules, designed to allow venomancers to solo most FB bosses and TT runs at their level. Something that used to be only possible with a squad. The glitch in this pets favour? All bosses in TT are 'skullmarked' which lowers player based damage to around 1/4, pets are unaffected, meaning bosses that should take an hour or longer to solo take around half of that.

Phoenix, designed to allow veno's grind fast and once again, thanks to glitches(fleshream) kill LA/Robe users simply by pressing ALT+1 and clicking Flesh Ream.

If these two got fixed, the pets wouldn't be as attractive a purchase, so the Dev's let them stay in the game.

As for the Jolly old Jones fallacy that this will fix the economy, well that pretty much went out of the window with coin boxes, the existence of these items ensures gold stays high priced so players can view real life money as the easy way to get rich.

Pretty sure this will get locked and possibly get me banned, I really don't care.

Tatuaje - Lost City

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Pretty sure this will get locked and possibly get me banned, I really don't care.

Don't see why you will get banned. Inbefore lock though.

You are just venting a little frustration and really have stated nothing harmful.

Maybe most players need to accept that end game for the regular player like yourself if around your level. Anything above and beyond is for more hardcore gamers.

Jonnykins - Dreamweaver

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Today I recieved two Bounty hunter quests.

The first I'm ok with, Cenequus polearm. Inside FB69 same as last two days.

The second one, Styngean Quatermaster... a boss in FB79, great. Give me two different FB bosses, each requiring two wines each to get a squad to help me.

Incase you don't notice, making the wine for both these FB's will require 50 of each high mat, 200 in total. Seeing as everyone 8X/9X on the server needs these the price has jumped to 4k a mat, so for my daily I have to pay 800k or fail to level at the same speed as others.

If a squad of 6 of you make the wines for each day that 80 Mats for the FB69 wines, so like 15 Mats each (Easily farmed)

Same deal with the FB79 apart from its 20 Mats each

Because you got a chance to get drops, that cancels out the cost if you buy them most of the time?

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

So as a wizard I can make around 250k a day after pot replacement, repairs etc. From several hours grinding.

If I can do 250k+ from a day of lazy leveling I'm sure its easier to make a little more a little higher.

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is no longer feeling like a game, just a business. A way for the Developers to line their pockets with as much money as possible.

The Developers of this game are using what I can only call scams. We have the many many glitches in the Cube of Fate.

In the past 'count the apples' had a text error that showed all options for numbers of apples the same, making it a wild stab in the dark with a 1 in 3 chance of success, this took around two months to fix.

It was a text error, a frikkin monkey could fix that. But of course it cost players extra money which the developers love, so they actively chose to leave it for a while.

We have a room in the cube still, that gives you a two minute timer to kill mobs for exp. Fail to hand in the quest in time and your sent back to the lobby. It's well known that the timer is 'actually' set to 1.45mins, so anyone who tries to follow the timer fails. The developers have left this in to cheat people out of their money.

We have an option to buy pets for venomancers from the boutique. Both are in prime position to abuse glitches, making them more attractive to purchase.

Hercules, designed to allow venomancers to solo most FB bosses and TT runs at their level. Something that used to be only possible with a squad. The glitch in this pets favour? All bosses in TT are 'skullmarked' which lowers player based damage to around 1/4, pets are unaffected, meaning bosses that should take an hour or longer to solo take around half of that.

Phoenix, designed to allow veno's grind fast and once again, thanks to glitches(fleshream) kill LA/Robe users simply by pressing ALT+1 and clicking Flesh Ream.

If these two got fixed, the pets wouldn't be as attractive a purchase, so the Dev's let them stay in the game.

Wasn't around for the cube part, and never experienced the 2minute thing so I can't really comment.

A bit of a grey area, to really comment, you gotta take the rough with the smooth. Far from as bad from what I've seen in the past though.

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

As for the Jolly old Jones fallacy that this will fix the economy, well that pretty much went out of the window with coin boxes, the existence of these items ensures gold stays high priced so players can view real life money as the easy way to get rich.

Pretty sure this will get locked and possibly get me banned, I really don't care.

It seems that falacy had been used in the past to sort out the economy as its been mentioned. Mistakes happen as everyone is human

Foxx - Heavens Tear

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

for my daily I have to pay 800k

Consider grouping and sharing costs. You make it sound like you have to personally pay for the wine each day.

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

In the past 'count the apples' had a text error that showed all options for numbers of apples the same, making it a wild stab in the dark with a 1 in 3 chance of success, this took around two months to fix.

This is a complete lie. It was nothing like 2 months. Maybe a week, or less.

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's well known that the timer is 'actually' set to 1.45mins, so anyone who tries to follow the timer fails. The developers have left this in to cheat people out of their money.

Actually it was due to lag, and there was a trick which I posted on the forums saying if you relogged after entering the cube it cleared the lag and you didnt have such problems in room 49.

It was never intentional by the devs. Better put on that tin foil hat.

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

The glitch in this pets favour? All bosses in TT are 'skullmarked' which lowers player based damage to around 1/4, pets are unaffected, meaning bosses that should take an hour or longer to solo take around half of that.

I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind this (if there is any). The same situation holds for world bosses where phoenix's totally dominate the dps. I must agree with you that this does seem like a glitch.

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Phoenix, designed to allow veno's grind fast and once again, thanks to glitches(fleshream) kill LA/Robe users simply by pressing ALT+1 and clicking Flesh Ream.

Probably a glitch. You are aware this is nothing to do with the phoenix, as it doesnt come with flesh ream, and flesh ream can be put on any pet. In fact some pets come with flesh ream standard (unlike the phoenix).

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

As for the Jolly old Jones fallacy that this will fix the economy, well that pretty much went out of the window with coin boxes, the existence of these items ensures gold stays high priced so players can view real life money as the easy way to get rich.

I have to agree with you on this one. The bollocks we are being fed about it fixing the economy fools only the very stupid.

Quilue - Sanctuary

the new daily involves trudging around in a fb dungeon for what? 200k exp? i believe you can gain that in an hour grinding with an eso anyway. and for the record, if you provide the wine, you can probably call dibs on molds if it drops. not bad if something does drop

it's rather convenient when you run an fb for someone and has this tho. hehe

Crazydan - Heavens Tear

Well for the FB 79 one u dont need a wine took me less then an hour to do it with a squad with 3 barbs and 2 celrics

Ursa - Dreamweaver

or 15 minutes farming mats, 15 for getting a squad and about 25 to rund the dungeon.
At the cost of? riiiiiight, nothing.

tweakz

Been doing this since it started and have yet to pay for or furnish wine. Did unwined first, did a Tabbed FB 2nd day, and leader wined the last one for us in exchange for higher spit of profit from 3*/molds.

Rather than QQ about the price of wines/mats for something you don't have to do or even use, why not take advantage of the rising resale price of those mats/ wines to make coin to make up for lack of cash shopping?

or 15 minutes farming mats, 15 for getting a squad and about 25 to rund the dungeon.
At the cost of? riiiiiight, nothing.

I kinda despise mat farmers for being hogs. It's nice for chars that need mp replenishing to take a break and dig some mats occasionally while they're grinding. I agree though, cost is nothing.

Slake - Lost City

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Today I recieved two Bounty hunter quests.

The first I'm ok with, Cenequus polearm. Inside FB69 same as last two days.

The second one, Styngean Quatermaster... a boss in FB79, great. Give me two different FB bosses, each requiring two wines each to get a squad to help me.

Incase you don't notice, making the wine for both these FB's will require 50 of each high mat, 200 in total. Seeing as everyone 8X/9X on the server needs these the price has jumped to 4k a mat, so for my daily I have to pay 800k or fail to level at the same speed as others.

So as a wizard I can make around 250k a day after pot replacement, repairs etc. From several hours grinding.

This is no longer feeling like a game, just a business. A way for the Developers to line their pockets with as much money as possible.

Um get a party and SPLIT the costs?... and how exactly is that lining the devs pockets? the mats are freely available in game...
PLus u don't HAVE to do bounty hunter

The Developers of this game are using what I can only call scams. We have the many many glitches in the Cube of Fate.


We have a room in the cube still, that gives you a two minute timer to kill mobs for exp. Fail to hand in the quest in time and your sent back to the lobby. It's well known that the timer is 'actually' set to 1.45mins, so anyone who tries to follow the timer fails. The developers have left this in to cheat people out of their money.

What are u talking about? Room 49? There is no glitch in there. Id say it more likely u lagged and you actually ran out of time. Every time i do that i wait until 5 sec left (or less) and ive nver had a problem

We have an option to buy pets for venomancers from the boutique. Both are in prime position to abuse glitches, making them more attractive to purchase.

Hercules, designed to allow venomancers to solo most FB bosses and TT runs at their level. Something that used to be only possible with a squad. The glitch in this pets favour? All bosses in TT are 'skullmarked' which lowers player based damage to around 1/4, pets are unaffected, meaning bosses that should take an hour or longer to solo take around half of that.

First of all, i think its great that venos have hercs. They lower mat prices and make it possible for a reasonably fast squad run with minimal players. If you spent as much irl money as most venos do to get the pet, you wouldn't probably have to run TT. You could just buy the gear. (Made possible by lower mat prices due to venos with hercs) :P

Phoenix, designed to allow veno's grind fast and once again, thanks to glitches(fleshream) kill LA/Robe users simply by pressing ALT+1 and clicking Flesh Ream.

Sure it sucks to get ganked by a veno with a nix, but if u see it coming u can do things to stop/reduce its dmg long enough to kill the veno. Its really not that different from a barb with epic gears running up and perditioning u is it?

If these two got fixed, the pets wouldn't be as attractive a purchase, so the Dev's let them stay in the game.

As for the Jolly old Jones fallacy that this will fix the economy, well that pretty much went out of the window with coin boxes, the existence of these items ensures gold stays high priced so players can view real life money as the easy way to get rich.

People will probably eventually realise that it isn't free to run cube and that there is no point to a box that give u 1 mil when it cost 1 mil to open. I think you will find that the dolls prices are driving the auction house prices atm, and after jolly jones the prices should go down. lol.

Pretty sure this will get locked and possibly get me banned, I really don't care.

And last of all PWI is business, without ppl buying gold, it wouldn't exist.

Maiya - Lost City

The best way to deal with wine for Bounties is to group and split. With a party of 6, we simply have to farm 5 of each. Hardly a huge cost.

If you can't beat someone off a mat cycle, just stand there till the mat respawns and take it. Or go ahead of them in the cycle. Some people may think this is wrong, but it's competition.

Fireblood - Harshlands

Everyone chips in the mats? Or if one guy is providing the wines he gets the rights to any molds? seems to be the way most squads are functioning.

tweakz

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Incase you don't notice, making the wine for both these FB's will require 50 of each high mat, 200 in total. Seeing as everyone 8X/9X on the server needs these the price has jumped to 4k a mat, so for my daily I have to pay 800k or fail to level at the same speed as others.

OMG! Training Esoterica's are $.50 each! Those greedy jerks should provide them for free! We can't even farm mats for those!

So as a wizard I can make around 250k a day after pot replacement, repairs etc. From several hours grinding.

They can also make a few mill a day and don't need pots.

This is no longer feeling like a game, just a business.

Ignore the Bounty Hunter then. - Welcome back to the same game.

A way for the Developers to line their pockets with as much money as possible.

It's your greed finger. You want more for less, but point the finger away from yourself. Most people try to make as much money as possible. The Devs just aren't the fools willfully exchanging cash for exp.

The Developers of this game are using what I can only call scams. We have the many many glitches in the Cube of Fate.

Send support tickets. -They work and it keeps them busy so they have incentive to get it fixed.

We have an option to buy pets for venomancers from the boutique. Both are in prime position to abuse glitches, making them more attractive to purchase.

You're not a dev and not qualified to identify glitches. I obtained my legendary pets without cash.

Hercules, designed to allow venomancers to solo most FB bosses and TT runs at their level. Something that used to be only possible with a squad. The glitch in this pets favour? All bosses in TT are 'skullmarked' which lowers player based damage to around 1/4, pets are unaffected, meaning bosses that should take an hour or longer to solo take around half of that.

Sells more Hercs, brings rare mold prices down, puts more value in having Veno's in squads when they could just solo. Win/Win/Win

Phoenix, designed to allow veno's grind fast and once again, thanks to glitches(fleshream) kill LA/Robe users simply by pressing ALT+1 and clicking Flesh Ream.

FleshReam isn't glitched, and there's as many boasting of it not being a problem for them as there are people QQ'ing. Do you complain that flying pets like Nix get stuck in ground? Do you complain about how venos are only class not generally accepted in Zhen or Rebirth?

If these two got fixed, the pets wouldn't be as attractive a purchase, so the Dev's let them stay in the game.

They're not broke. Changing them would = **** over the people that bought them: just like the compromise they did with Genies.

As for the Jolly old Jones fallacy that this will fix the economy, well that pretty much went out of the window with coin boxes, the existence of these items ensures gold stays high priced so players can view real life money as the easy way to get rich.

I won't put cash into this game, and I'm not QQ'ing because all your doing is showing your greed when there's plenty of ways in game to compensate for not having cash.

Pretty sure this will get locked and possibly get me banned, I really don't care.

And if a non paying QQ'er quits, do you think they care?

Pannelo - Heavens Tear

As always, it is supply and demand that pushes prices up and whilst the prices are going up, so are the number of players trying to farm them which makes them difficult to get a hold of. Those that are cashing in are probably spending more time trying to collect them.

What I have been doing is waiting until the party is full and then suggesting that we spread the costs of the wine each in party chat. So far no one has refused to chip in which is great. Works out around 50k per head which isn't too bad. Either that or the person that provides the wines get the drops.

Always best to agree what happening before the run starts though.

Yourmom - Lost City

Maiya - Lost City wrote: »

The best way to deal with wine for Bounties is to group and split. With a party of 6, we simply have to farm 5 of each. Hardly a huge cost.

If you can't beat someone off a mat cycle, just stand there till the mat respawns and take it. Or go ahead of them in the cycle. Some people may think this is wrong, but it's competition.

A. God I love being an OP class on a pvp server.

B. God I love being an OP money farming class.

C. No i will not farm mats, here's some coins, I'll hire someone to do it for me.

Maiya - Lost City

Yourmom - Lost City wrote: »

A. God I love being an OP class on a pvp server.

B. God I love being an OP money farming class.

C. No i will not farm mats, here's some coins, I'll hire someone to do it for me.

I'm talking strictly PvE base of course. :P

Bowlinbob - Lost City

Maiya - Lost City wrote: »

I'm talking strictly PvE base of course. :P

I feel like trolling today, HAI MAI

Bebisita - Dreamweaver

Jonnykins - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If I can do 250k+ from a day of lazy leveling I'm sure its easier to make a little more a little higher.

I just rolled my eyes at you so hard they got stuck in the back of my brain.
Jon, lazy levelling? Now that's a fallacy. >:P!!!

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Incase you don't notice, making the wine for both these FB's will require 50 of each high mat, 200 in total. Seeing as everyone 8X/9X on the server needs these the price has jumped to 4k a mat, so for my daily I have to pay 800k or fail to level at the same speed as others.

So as a wizard I can make around 250k a day after pot replacement, repairs etc. From several hours grinding.

OK so far.

This is no longer feeling like a game, just a business. A way for the Developers to line their pockets with as much money as possible.

How in the world does this make money for the devs? The devs don't care about coin. If they want more coin, they can probably push a button in the GM client and receive all the coin they want.

The cost for those mats in the cash shop is 30 for 2 gold. If gold is 100k (hah), that's 6667 coin each. So it's still way cheaper to buy the mats from other players instead of the cash shop.

In other words, the only people getting rich off this are other players. If you think it's such a great scam, you can join them too by farming the mats yourself and selling them. You might be surprised to discover there are better ways to make money than grinding.

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

Damage from pets on skullmarked bosses isn't a glitch,its in every version,no official ever called it glitch,infact seems to me it was designed to work like that.

Eternalnub - Heavens Tear

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Damage from pets on skullmarked bosses isn't a glitch,its in every version,no official ever called it glitch,infact seems to me it was designed to work like that.

everything what veno does is a glitch

XbladeXBm - Dreamweaver

Eternalnub - Heavens Tear wrote: »

everything what veno does is a glitch

The only glitch is one class being able to buy a $200 weapon from the cash shop while the others dont have that option. Since allowing only one class that privellage upsets game balance b:avoid

Foxx - Heavens Tear

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

or 15 minutes farming mats

fb79 requires 2 wines, each of which requires 15 of level 4 mats.
Thats 120 mats.. in 15 minutes?... or 8 mats a minute, or a mat every 7.5 seconds.

Wish I could farm mats that fast.

Foxx - Heavens Tear

XbladeXBm - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The only glitch is one class being able to buy a $200 weapon from the cash shop while the others dont have that option. Since allowing only one class that privellage upsets game balance b:avoid

Veno is the only class that isnt useful in rebirth or zhen. If you want to fix imbalances, then you better fix them all.

Cursedsteel - Heavens Tear

Venos arent useful in rebirth?! o_O since when? Every rebirth ive done has had a veno, they run fast for the beginning quests and their Nova skill has saved many asses. As for zhenning.......last i heard venos could make better xp nix grinding in the past.

XbladeXBm - Dreamweaver

Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Veno is the only class that isnt useful in rebirth or zhen. If you want to fix imbalances, then you better fix them all.

Rebirth and zhen are not cash shop items, and ARE open to all classes, now wether people choose to include veno's in rebirth or zhen isnt game balance but players narrow minded view on how things should be done.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Today I recieved two Bounty hunter quests.

The first I'm ok with, Cenequus polearm. Inside FB69 same as last two days.

The second one, Styngean Quatermaster... a boss in FB79, great. Give me two different FB bosses, each requiring two wines each to get a squad to help me.

Incase you don't notice, making the wine for both these FB's will require 50 of each high mat, 200 in total. Seeing as everyone 8X/9X on the server needs these the price has jumped to 4k a mat, so for my daily I have to pay 800k or fail to level at the same speed as others.

So as a wizard I can make around 250k a day after pot replacement, repairs etc. From several hours grinding.

Trash Quest NEED is different from WANT.

The Developers of this game are using what I can only call scams. We have the many many glitches in the Cube of Fate.

In the past 'count the apples' had a text error that showed all options for numbers of apples the same, making it a wild stab in the dark with a 1 in 3 chance of success, this took around two months to fix.

It was a text error, a frikkin monkey could fix that. But of course it cost players extra money which the developers love, so they actively chose to leave it for a while.

rofl yeah that does seem to suck

We have a room in the cube still, that gives you a two minute timer to kill mobs for exp. Fail to hand in the quest in time and your sent back to the lobby. It's well known that the timer is 'actually' set to 1.45mins, so anyone who tries to follow the timer fails. The developers have left this in to cheat people out of their money.

I noticed this too. I try to turn in at 30sec left now.

We have an option to buy pets for venomancers from the boutique. Both are in prime position to abuse glitches, making them more attractive to purchase.

Hercules, designed to allow venomancers to solo most FB bosses and TT runs at their level. Something that used to be only possible with a squad. The glitch in this pets favour? All bosses in TT are 'skullmarked' which lowers player based damage to around 1/4, pets are unaffected, meaning bosses that should take an hour or longer to solo take around half of that.

Phoenix, designed to allow veno's grind fast and once again, thanks to glitches(fleshream) kill LA/Robe users simply by pressing ALT+1 and clicking Flesh Ream.

If these two got fixed, the pets wouldn't be as attractive a purchase, so the Dev's let them stay in the game.

yeah true, its not the actual pet thats OP but only the certain skill and calculations.

blindeyesniper

They're skull marked so players' level won't effect drop rate durrrrr.. Make sense doesn't it? b:laugh

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear

I agree with everything witch, u have my support <_<

Alyyy - Sanctuary

b:surrenderwe shall unite and do something.....
b:surrenderu know what my opinion is....
b:surrenderbeautifull....



EDIT: wtf its not closed yet b:shocked

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

I guarantee most of if not all of you would be here whining if pets did little damage to skullmarked bosses costing you and your squads far more in time and pots and durability.

Especially you barbs,who are guiltiest of taking full advantage of venos tanking capabilities in TT's.

Waterboy - Lost City

u dont need wine for fb79 for the FIRST boss just rambo ur way there takes like 10-20mins