No more luring with genies?

Desiree - Harshlands
Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
edited August 2009 in General Discussion
I use to be able to lure mobs with Extreme Poison but now it doesn't seem to work anymore. I often used my genie to lure instead of my pet as it allowed me to keep my pet out and buffed and was generally much faster. From my previous experimentation, only Extreme Poison and Qi Manipulation worked for single-luring as it only inflicted a status effect rather than doing damage. I haven't tested out Qi Manipulation though, but its 15m range isn't too practical. Tame Pet still works though (need to upgrade it a few times ><) but genie luring was quite useful ; (

Was this an intended change in genie skill rebalancing (like the reduction of Tangle Mire's energy cost) or was this a change in game mechanics? Either way, are there any other working luring methods other than unsummoning a veno's pet or using Tame Pet?

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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Look on the bright side, even though it got harder to solo, we're are needed in parties again.b:chuckle
  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I really never felt like my job was taken in parties. I think people would rather save stamina then disallow a Veno in a party.
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  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    and.. it doesnt last as long anymore.. was this intentional?

    i never lured with mine bcuz i suck at it, but i spam it on bosses and whatnot and i sued to be able to do 3 in a row on 130 stamina before i hit empty/under 55.. now.. i cant. so wth? why'd they nerf it? and gave bms a new op skill? not fair.
  • Sarugami - Sanctuary
    Sarugami - Sanctuary Posts: 251 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    any gm can comment on this?...I would really like to bring back the luring feature for genie skillsb:cry. Sometime it's hard to find a veno for TT and FB so our barb or I usually use it to lure (FB 69 last 2 bosses)...but now we can't do it anymoreb:surrender
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  • Daerina - Heavens Tear
    Daerina - Heavens Tear Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    yay i'm glad for this change =P it's nice to be an essential class for a squad again
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  • Viper_girl - Heavens Tear
    Viper_girl - Heavens Tear Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I vote bring it back. It is a major pain to have to always resummon, rebuff my Herc.

    It is always nice to be able to have someone else in the squad pull if they want to.

    I don't think I have ever been refused for a squad because a non-veno could pull with their Genie.
  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Maybe they want everyone in game to make venos and get rid of other clasess to stop the "venos are overpowered" complaints.
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  • Sarugami - Sanctuary
    Sarugami - Sanctuary Posts: 251 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Viper_girl - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I vote bring it back. It is a major pain to have to always resummon, rebuff my Herc.

    It is always nice to be able to have someone else in the squad pull if they want to.

    I don't think I have ever been refused for a squad because a non-veno could pull with their Genie.

    yea summon and re-summon is a pain (especially herc since you have to buff him again). I never would refuse a veno to join in a party because veno can do other stuff like debuff bosses, give chi, using pet to help w/ aggro. It's just faster to use genie to lure. Also not to mention some venos i played with in the past are horrible at luring (calling pet back instead of put pet away)....b:shocked
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    NOT happy. I replaced my default pulling skill for extreme poison... b:angry
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    NOT happy. I replaced my default pulling skill for extreme poison... b:angry

    I'd still like to know, is it just extreme poison that wont pull anymore, or is it ALL genie skills that wont pull anymore? Cause this isnt the 1st time i've heard a mention that many of the genie starter skills are still useable for pulling.
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »
    I use to be able to lure mobs with Extreme Poison but now it doesn't seem to work anymore. I often used my genie to lure instead of my pet as it allowed me to keep my pet out and buffed and was generally much faster. From my previous experimentation, only Extreme Poison and Qi Manipulation worked for single-luring as it only inflicted a status effect rather than doing damage. I haven't tested out Qi Manipulation though, but its 15m range isn't too practical. Tame Pet still works though (need to upgrade it a few times ><) but genie luring was quite useful ; (

    Was this an intended change in genie skill rebalancing (like the reduction of Tangle Mire's energy cost) or was this a change in game mechanics? Either way, are there any other working luring methods other than unsummoning a veno's pet or using Tame Pet?

    ~Desiree

    lol...ur a veno u can just target the mob and tame it (ewen if its not tameable) and its the same as that skill just a weee bit slower
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  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Genie luring is a good thing

    with extreme poison, you cant lure anymore.. nor with Lightnoing chaser

    If people dont have need of a veno for luring in parties. ;they dont know what a veno can do , a genie cant

    I use genie for luring.. dont have to resummon herc ... etc ..

    but in some cases (TT mostly) you cant pull with genie, range is too short.; you absolutely need a veno for pulling.; if the groups says otherwise.. leave them to their deaths ;)
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  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Agreed, I carry venos around in a party as talking chi pots more than anything else. b:laugh

    And in TT, more the venos, the better. Nothing kills bosses faster than the veno pets (with their loss of damage reduction).

    Plus, they debuff pretty good too. b:victory
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  • WraitHunter - Dreamweaver
    WraitHunter - Dreamweaver Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Dunno about other skills because i never used xtreme poison to lure because eats to much stamina but only a few hours ago i used earthflame(basic zeal skill)to lure and was working just fine.
  • Blancheneige - Heavens Tear
    Blancheneige - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,494 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Just tried eruption first on a mob. Lured as before.
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  • Belial - Heavens Tear
    Belial - Heavens Tear Posts: 972 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Lured with Venom Stinger okay too. I better be more careful when luring though, I sometimes use Extreme Poison by accident >_<.

    Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Agreed, I carry venos around in a party as talking chi pots more than anything else.
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  • Xgrinch - Dreamweaver
    Xgrinch - Dreamweaver Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    None of luring spells worked for our squad in FBs.
    Mine eruption fist aggroed all possible mobs around target. Same with other spells of squad members.
    Maybe it has something to do with new blessing thingy we get while entering fb-s?
  • Belial - Heavens Tear
    Belial - Heavens Tear Posts: 972 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Huh, I didn't seem to lure extras when I tried mine... I'll test again in an FB soon.
  • Xgrinch - Dreamweaver
    Xgrinch - Dreamweaver Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I can post screenshots of our ultimate fail. But I think you can take my word for it, that all members of several squads in different FBs with different genies and skills suddenly forgot how to lure - is not the case.
  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    From my previous tests, any genie skill that inflicted only status effects could be used to lure. This included Extreme Poison (range 25), Qi Manipulation (range 15), Venomous Stinger (range 25 starter skill for Infliction) and Eruption Fist (range 25 starter skill for Longetivity. I was unable to test it but assumed Dissolve (range 12), Elemental Weakness (range 20) and maybe a few others also worked. Any genie skill that does damage, however, would also aggro nearby mobs in the same way casting a ranged spell at one mob aggros other mobs. It seems the aggro mechanics have changed now to include status effect changes.
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  • Elfaria - Dreamweaver
    Elfaria - Dreamweaver Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I say bring it back please.

    It'll be annoying to do quest that have mobs that which if you pull one, you pull everything else thats close to it.

    Plus in dungeons, I feel good to be able to pull and let the venos have a break at it.
  • Belial - Heavens Tear
    Belial - Heavens Tear Posts: 972 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    D:

    Uh, that was my main reason to have a genie these days...b:tear
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Venos were never really needed for luring. Other characters just like making them take the risk, and they have more tools at their disposal.
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  • Breathe - Lost City
    Breathe - Lost City Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Bring it back please.. it was nice having a change not luring every single monster in a dungeon. Especially when solo'ing, herc takes forever to rebuff.

    As for Venomancers losing essientialness.. I still see people in my faction looking for WB/EP/WF for every HH, and never been denied a place for another DD (mage/archer).

    -Tried Eruption and Venom Stinger, both don't work ;_;
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Breathe - Lost City wrote: »
    Bring it back please.. it was nice having a change not luring every single monster in a dungeon. Especially when solo'ing, herc takes forever to rebuff.

    What's wrong with aggroing 3-4 melee mobs at a time, or using Tame Pet to lure? There are about a dozen ways for Venos to lure without Genies.
    As for Venomancers losing essientialness.. I still see people in my faction looking for WB/EP/WF for every HH, and never been denied a place for another DD (mage/archer).

    In my experience, Veno's are far better off soloing. Others are better off helping Veno to open TT, then grinding and buying from Veno.
    -Tried Eruption and Venom Stinger, both don't work ;_;

    Nope: they cost per use. Conventional methods were and are still free.
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  • Poiss - Sanctuary
    Poiss - Sanctuary Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    WraitHunter - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Dunno about other skills because i never used xtreme poison to lure because eats to much stamina but only a few hours ago i used earthflame(basic zeal skill)to lure and was working just fine.

    I can confirm this. I just tried Earthflame in fb19, and it lured fine.
  • MentalEdge - Heavens Tear
    MentalEdge - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Poiss - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I can confirm this. I just tried Earthflame in fb19, and it lured fine.

    Smart of you,i bet the GM's have taken note of this and gonna get right onto the devs about it >.>
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  • Xgrinch - Dreamweaver
    Xgrinch - Dreamweaver Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    So, in other words, it is an expected behaviour?
    Not a glitch or a bug?

    I'd really want to see it back.
  • Inias - Heavens Tear
    Inias - Heavens Tear Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage
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  • Miabi - Lost City
    Miabi - Lost City Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Belial - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    D:

    Uh, that was my main reason to have a genie these days...b:tear

    if you only use your genie for pulling, then you don't really need one. I use mine as anti bleed, holy path kiting, tree of protection and extreme poison. godly pvp genie is godly b:dirty

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