baning for abusing glitches

Aoe - Heavens Tear

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

when we finally get more established players, itll be wizards.

and aoe, i was saying, good archers hurt more than venos, yet barbs get to them just fine. holy path, and arma the dumb veno! or.. beastial onslaught-> sunder!! idk

Lol okay i figured it was something around this.

He's talking 1v1 lol yeesh it sounded like he was talking about all pvp including town wars. Well you can't win them all in 1v1. As far as why you hate veno's from your 40s is strange to me because you had a bad run with a player or a few players that use a veno class. All the sudden you hate every single veno and yet you don't even know them as an individual. I think is the silliest things. Most people on this game play more than one class. That same veno could play as an archer or a cleric. Does it change they're bad attitude no. Judge by the player not the pixel. I got ksed alot by evey single class on here lol i don't hate them just seems silly when you think about it. Lol unless the only other think i can think of is you liked a veno girl and she turned out to be a guy. Then yes i would be pissed but since most mmo's are played with a strong male populations it's bound to happen. That is what ts and vent is for (unless you get a guy who sounds like a girl then you're sol). You seem like a good guy but i think your judgement is clouded by youre hatred. Anyway one on one pvp im sure you can figure it out.

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear

my example was 1v1 but I'm speaking about every type of pvp o,o

I played a veno till 60+, I have a decent knowlegde about them, surely better than u aoe txs

I hate the veno class not the players behind it except those that can't accept how overpowered and bugged they really are sometimes

xxxdsmer

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

if u hate us QQers there is a blacklist option in this forum, use it and gtfo plz

it would be imopssible and impractical to sit and blacklist the entire onslaught of QQing babies like yourself lmao.

every single game i've played there is ALWAYS something the brainless masses want to cry about because its mby a lil better than the rest of the things available in the game.

just like chromehounds on xbox360 for example: a double barreled artillery piece that used to be pretty kickarse. was difficult to figure a way to defeat it, but people had it figured out and were beating it. but no... the crybabies hada keep crying even though that wpn and its builds weaknesses had been figured out, and they changed the weapon, then the game slowly died because the people gave in to the lazy QQers.


it takes more than one person to take down a same lvl barbarian right? is that fair to the other classes? lol. btw.. u dont own chit so you got no space to be tellin anyone to gtfo lmao. quit fkn cryin n use ur brain to beat what you hate. people come after u they're either higher level or they're in a squad are they not? (when, or even if, ur white name mr. PvE server barb =P )

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear

xxxdsmer wrote: »

it would be imopssible and impractical to sit and blacklist the entire onslaught of QQing babies like yourself lmao.

every single game i've played there is ALWAYS something the brainless masses want to cry about because its mby a lil better than the rest of the things available in the game.

just like chromehounds on xbox360 for example: a double barreled artillery piece that used to be pretty kickarse. was difficult to figure a way to defeat it, but people had it figured out and were beating it. but no... the crybabies hada keep crying even though that wpn and its builds weaknesses had been figured out, and they changed the weapon, then the game slowly died because the people gave in to the lazy QQers.


it takes more than one person to take down a same lvl barbarian right? is that fair to the other classes? lol. btw.. u dont own chit so you got no space to be tellin anyone to gtfo lmao. quit fkn cryin n use ur brain to beat what you hate. people come after u they're either higher level or they're in a squad are they not? (when, or even if, ur white name mr. PvE server barb =P )

u are QQing about QQers, welcome to our faction QQbear

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

my example was 1v1 but I'm speaking about every type of pvp o,o

I played a veno till 60+, I have a decent knowlegde about them, surely better than u aoe txs

I hate the veno class not the players behind it except those that can't accept how overpowered and bugged they really are sometimes

PVE server PVP isnt real PVP. lrn 2 pvp and we would not have to hear phoenix complaints.

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

PVE server PVP isnt real PVP. lrn 2 pvp and we would not have to hear phoenix complaints.

again with that story about pve servers can't pvp ?

k

Aoe - Heavens Tear

so you played a veno at 60+ and you said they are over powered and bugged O.o? so you stopped playing and switched to barb.

I'm sure you might know more than me didn't see where i questioned that. Just stating that i think the op and qqing because he loses in dueling. I think you qq sometimes to because a veno or two have owned you as well. This is my last comment on this thread or subject for that matter. When flesh ream is fixed people will still cry over the fact that veno's have an op pet. People will cry over any class that they feel they cannot beat. People will go from one class to another if dev's listened to every person crying over pvp they nerf their own game til it sucks. Gm's are aware of flesh ream. Making it bannable when obviously it is a skill is wrong and exaggerated. If there are other skills that are glitched it is not the players fault for such a thing, it's up to the gm's to report this to the dev's and the dev's to fix it. I would hate to see any player banned for using a skill that was glitched. That seems ridiculous. What you really want is for gm's to nerf veno's back to how it was with no special pet so that you don't get owned by them. However im sure when a cleric comes along and owns you, archer, or wizard, etc you'll be crying they are overpowered next.

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear

Aoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so you played a veno at 60+ and you said they are over powered and bugged O.o? so you stopped playing and switched to barb.

I'm sure you might know more than me didn't see where i questioned that. Just stating that i think the op and qqing because he loses in dueling. I think you qq sometimes to because a veno or two have owned you as well. This is my last comment on this thread or subject for that matter. When flesh ream is fixed people will still cry over the fact that veno's have an op pet. People will cry over any class that they feel they cannot beat. People will go from one class to another if dev's listened to every person crying over pvp they nerf their own game til it sucks. Gm's are aware of flesh ream. Making it bannable when obviously it is a skill is wrong and exaggerated. If there are other skills that are glitched it is not the players fault for such a thing, it's up to the gm's to report this to the dev's and the dev's to fix it. I would hate to see any player banned for using a skill that was glitched. That seems ridiculous. What you really want is for gm's to nerf veno's back to how it was with no special pet so that you don't get owned by them. However im sure when a cleric comes along and owns you, archer, or wizard, etc you'll be crying they are overpowered next.

why always wall texts b:cry

aniway, no I made that veno later as an alt and stopped playing cuz it started to require too much time after level 60, time that I prefered to give to the barb

and I died and still dyeing a lot against every class (except barbs), sometimes more than with venos but I don't QQ against them cuz if they do it's because I'm outleveled/outskill/outgeared when a noob veno can pwn most classes without gear and sending nix

Marianas - Dreamweaver

To the people with great experience of the nasty end of flesh ream.

Genies have the "cauterise" skill that cancels flesh ream on the player. I got it just before the 144 patch came out that removed the small heal boost it gave too .

Is this genie skill any good against the "bug"?

I'm a bit low level to test this in pvp effectivly.

Thanks!

(Hopes for nice answers but braces for QQ's)

P.s. Why the Letters QQ for raging/complaining? Is it an acronym?

Mothergoose - Sanctuary

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why always wall texts b:cry

aniway, no I made that veno later as an alt and stopped playing cuz it started to require too much time after level 60, time that I prefered to give to the barb

and I died and still dyeing a lot against every class (except barbs), sometimes more than with venos but I don't QQ against them cuz if they do it's because I'm outleveled/outskill/outgeared when a noob veno can pwn most classes without gear and sending nix

Have it ever occurred to you that they are without gear because they spent all their savings into the legendary pet? Is it reasonable for you to dictate that other people have to spend their coins into buying gear to win in pvp, but not into pet?

PVP is competitive, people do what it takes to win. Personally, I have a stripped nix w/4 fleshreams and a maxed out Thunderstorm genie, and I wouldn't hold back against anyone in pvp. Fight to win, all is fair.b:victory

QQ won't change anything.

Kinohki - Lost City

The Kin will only say this once in regards to the flesh ream bug. Currently at level 78 with a P.def of about 9k or so self buffed, F.ream hurts like hell. It does about 800+ a tic and The Kin is a heavy armor BM.

Now, The Kin uses both fist and polearm, so he decided to test polearm and bleed skills in PVP. Together, both of the bleeds stacked (lvl 9 piercing winds has a bleed that does 2813.0 dmg. Draw blood at level 10 does 1897.5 and both have a time duration of 15 seconds. That's roughly 5 tics on each bleed and they stack. On a veno of near level (she was 76 when we tested it), the polearm bleeds STACKED (that means combined) both done a TOTAL damage of about..700-800 dmg. That was stacked. And after ALL ticks passed. Again Total damage.

ONE SINGLE, SINGULAR, UNO tic of flesh ream does that much damage. And it hits just as many times as a normal bleed (it's what? 3-5 tics? The Kin doesnt really get to count before getting horribly slaughtered most of the time. It's mostly "OHSHI RUN TO ZONE!" response.) So lets take that 800 and multiply it by 3. That's 2400 dmg there. If by 5, that's 4000 hp there. The Kin has 3700 hp roughly. The cumulative damage from both bleeds The Kin has just barely equals a single tic of the Flesh ream. It's pretty clear, flesh ream is skewed, big time. It isn't being reduced properly in PVP.

/End discussion.

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Have the people defending Flesh reams status as an 'acceptable' skill that should remain the same ever been hit by it?

I wear arcane armour, have 3.2/3k PDef self buffed, Flesh ream from a phoenix does too much damage, way too fast. My hp hits 0(through a hp charm) in 3-4 seconds, cauterize offers 0 help. Once I click it my charm is already ticked and a good chunk of my hp is gone, that and my genie has a 14% chance to fail using this skill.

This pet skill outdamages archers vs. me.

The Dev's have managed to fix the foxform bug in what? 3-4 weeks?

Why the hell can't they fix this?, plain fvckin greed.

tweakz

Kinohki - Lost City wrote: »

It's pretty clear, flesh ream is skewed, big time. It isn't being reduced properly in PVP.

/End discussion.

Pet Threaten Skill (maxed):

Threaten enemy to decrease enemy's Physical Attack by 36% for 15 secs.

BM Skill Myriad Sword Stance Lvl 10:

Turn one's vigor into an immense sword to strike down the enemy.
Within 12.0 meters of the target adds 200% weapon physical
damage your base physical damage plus an additional 6096.8 damaging all
enemies and reducing their physical and magical attack 50% for 15 seconds.

It's pretty clear that BM's threaten is skewed from pet's threaten big time.

Alyyy - Sanctuary

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Have the people defending Flesh reams status as an 'acceptable' skill that should remain the same ever been hit by it?

I wear arcane armour, have 3.2/3k PDef self buffed, Flesh ream from a phoenix does too much damage, way too fast. My hp hits 0(through a hp charm) in 3-4 seconds, cauterize offers 0 help. Once I click it my charm is already ticked and a good chunk of my hp is gone, that and my genie has a 14% chance to fail using this skill.

This pet skill outdamages archers vs. me.

The Dev's have managed to fix the foxform bug in what? 3-4 weeks?

Why the hell can't they fix this?, plain fvckin greed.

b:thanksi knew u would understand

i lowe this thread...i knew it was a good idea...lol

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Myriad sword stance requires two sparks, so does armageddon, so does essential sutra, so does barrage, so does tempest. Pet skills do not require these things, bear that in mind.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Have the people defending Flesh reams status as an 'acceptable' skill that should remain the same ever been hit by it?

I wear arcane armour, have 3.2/3k PDef self buffed, Flesh ream from a phoenix does too much damage, way too fast. My hp hits 0(through a hp charm) in 3-4 seconds, cauterize offers 0 help. Once I click it my charm is already ticked and a good chunk of my hp is gone, that and my genie has a 14% chance to fail using this skill.

This pet skill outdamages archers vs. me.

The Dev's have managed to fix the foxform bug in what? 3-4 weeks?

Why the hell can't they fix this?, plain fvckin greed.

they cant because its not a bug lol

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear

my gear totally is valued more than a nix can cost, but I can't alt+f1 ppl, wierd isn't


btw, fox form fixed... when are they gonna fix the barb bug, it's damn annoying

DollParts - Sanctuary

until they take flesh ream out for being glitched or fixing so called glitch.. there's nothing they could possibly do.
Its in game, you can buy it at a npc.. end of story.

tweakz

DollParts - Sanctuary wrote: »

you can buy it at a npc

-The whole problem in a nutshell. If they change it now, they owe everyone that bought it. The best thing they can do to resolve the issue has already been done with the genies.

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Tear, stfu. It gets old.

They don't owe people jack if they fix it. Adding the correct PvP reduction does not change how the skill works, just corrects a fault.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Tear, stfu. It gets old.

They don't owe people jack if they fix it. Adding the correct PvP reduction does not change how the skill works, just corrects a fault.

it goes both ways, maybe i dont wanna hear constant bickering over something that isnt even that big of a 'gamebreaking issue' from people who dont even PVP.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Tear, stfu. It gets old.

They don't owe people jack if they fix it. Adding the correct PvP reduction does not change how the skill works, just corrects a fault.

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* (a) THE SERVICE, THE GAMES, THE WEBSITE AND ALL MATERIALS CONTAINED THEREIN ARE PROVIDED ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED.

You may not hold PWE responsible for any in-game feature or item loss. PWE does not guarantee the availability of any in-game items, any Services or any levels to players.

If things change, too bad, deal with it or leave. If they fix flesh ream, they shall not and will not give you anything in return

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

I do PvP now, quite a lot. It is entirely game-breaking. Try being on the recieving end of it, see how many balanced measures there are to counterract it and watch how very few work without considerable drawback.

Submit a ticket yourself asking about it. They do refer to it as a bug/glitch.

Also does anyone at all have proof that flesh ream has been fixed/re-bugged in CN? I see many people going LOL we payz monies and dn't pay monies once they fix it and then they change eet back. With 0 proof to back them up.

DollParts - Sanctuary

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

she/he/it also thinks using charms, pots, apoth items, genie skills, stuns, sleep, kiting, seal, healing and retreating are cheating in PVP, and a real PVPer sits there and doesnt do anything to prevent their enemy from winning.

what about pets? can we use pets to pvp? lol

I fought a bm just yesterday.
First fight - he died
second fight - he died
third fight - told me to not use a pet, he died
fourth fight - told me to not use a pet and to stand still.. he won. Then he wouldnt fight me again.... gotta love those people.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Were pets mentioned there? Nope.

Anyway you just proved you don't even need pets to win if you are good enough. Which isn't hard to do, as bad as most players here are at pvp.

Mothergoose - Sanctuary

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Terms of Service says:

YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT:

* (a) THE SERVICE, THE GAMES, THE WEBSITE AND ALL MATERIALS CONTAINED THEREIN ARE PROVIDED ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED.

You may not hold PWE responsible for any in-game feature or item loss. PWE does not guarantee the availability of any in-game items, any Services or any levels to players.

If things change, too bad, deal with it or leave. If they fix flesh ream, they shall not and will not give you anything in return

That's just the problem. The "fix" was done before, in PW china, and it was reverted back soon afterwards due to large losses. People stop buying $200 pets that are not worth $200. It has nothing to do with existing customers qq and demanding a refund, since they're not going to give one anyway, but rather new ones stopping buying the $200 pet.

They are running a business here. The goal is to make money. Those QQers are free to leave. PWI is not going to chose them over $$$ just because they QQ. This "bug" have not been fixed, and it will not be fixed, in PW china or PWI, because the cost of it would have been too high. The world is not fair, get over it.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I never hear QQs about barbs, cleric's sleep and such (I maybe saw a QQ barb thread but like 1 against 9999 agaisnt venos, so yeah we are all dumb for that)

I've been playing MMOs going on 12 years now. I've seen lots of bugs, fixes, nerfs, and QQs (though they were usually called whines back then - e.g. "Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?"). I can guar-an-tee you that if they ever fixed Flesh Ream so venos were no longer the target of everyone's ire, people would just find something else on some other class to QQ about.

I've seen several MMORPGs die that way. People QQed, thing got nerfed. People found something else to QQ about, until that thing was nerfed. Then again, and again, and again, until eventually the game sucked so much that it wasn't worth playing anymore. They'll never be happy because any class-based game has to have differences between classes. And as long as there are differences, some class will have an advantage over the others in some circumstances.

FWIW, my main is a veno and I think Flesh Ream in PvP is bugged and should be fixed. But based on the history of the skill in the Chinese servers I have to conclude the devs are OK with it as-is. And the fact that GMs here aren't banning venos left and right for using it in PvP is, to me, a tacit admission that they're not gonna do anything about it (or maybe they can't do anything about it).

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Can anyone at all show me the slightest hit that the Flesh ream was,

1. Fixed in PW-CN.
2. Was reverted back after veno outrage.

I've never seen anyone source this in any way.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

my point is why ban other players for using bugs while venos are doing it all the time and do not get punishedb:angryb:shocked

because, while the other things the GMs have stated they are bugs, FleshReam, the GMs only said they were talking with the developers in China.
Until the GMs come out and make an announcement, than it is not a bug, as far as they are concerned. (Not saying anything that is reduced or not, or if it is fair or not, just saying, until they announce it, it is not a bug).

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Can anyone at all show me the slightest hit that the Flesh ream was,

1. Fixed in PW-CN.
2. Was reverted back after veno outrage.

I've never seen anyone source this in any way.

We are not allowed to link to other PW games or forums... Unlike fleshream, which is legal to use, linking to another version of PW is illegal and can get you banned.....

If you can read Chinese, I am sure you can find their boards and read the posts yourself.