Guys don't waste too much time on hybrid supporters.

Rulin - Heavens Tear

I have browsed the forums several times a day for the past week, and i can say there are too many archer believing that having a bit of vit will actually make a difference.

Having played both builds I can only say that the huge amount of dmg u stop making from those points u miss on dex, allocated to vit are devastating for an archer gameplay.

This has been exposed again and again to those who -excuse me, i don't want to be rude- naively believe that little **** of extra hp vit gives us, will make a difference and the huge loss of dmg is worth it. Most just won't get it, so I really want to tell everyone to stop bothering with them, just explain ur position and move on, don't try to argue with them.

This post is not ment as an attack to hybrid builds, but rather a petition to those who want to convince them otherwise to stop trying and let them hit themselves against the wall, after all we are all human and most can only learn from our own exp. Let them see for themselves if we are wrong or not.

BludShot - Lost City

Pure dex. FTW ... down with the UNpures....(pure dex pwns even at lvl 30) beefums aoe a bunch of ppl outside west arch and i just happened to be caught up in it and he missed...
dont think i culd have dodged that on a hybrid build Beefums=lvl 80-90+ barb??(looked that way at least cuz of his axes)

Annor - Heavens Tear

Ahh Rulin
b:chuckle

Wyiana - Heavens Tear

Guys don't waste too much time on hybrid supporters.

What do you think you're doing just now b:laugh

Onlyjayy - Heavens Tear

A friend of mine said there is this specific build that is called "PK build".
It involves putting some points in Vit
don't know if it's true or notb:surrender

Rulin - Heavens Tear

Wyiana - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What do you think you're doing just now b:laugh

uhh... ownd? HAHAHA

StormHydra - Sanctuary

Lol omg, you make it sound as if its a disease or something, like hybrid archers are wild animals that people all attempt to tame but just dont see reason...or something.
Hope you guys have enough supplies to last the hybrid pandemic 0.o

Fleuri - Sanctuary

Ooo.... time... wasting... with guys!

b:chuckle

So, anyways, guys...

If we really simplify things, this game offers three kinds of battles for archers: "PvE Grind", "PvP" and "PvE Boss".

In "PvE Grind" battles, you shoot monsters and try to kill them before they can attack you. For this kind of combat, health does not matter, because you do not get hit.

In "PvP" (where you are fighting with another player and they are fighting with you), you are taking damage and delivering damage. Here, your health very roughly tells you how long you have to live -- how long you can fight. So, for a first approximation, your total damage would be proportional to your physical attack times your health.

In "PvE Boss" battles, combat lasts a long time. If you do too much damage, you pull aggro. So, beyond some certain level of damage (which depends on your tank), damage does not matter. Likewise, health does not matter (because your tank gets hit, not you).

Of course, I am really oversimplifying here. For example:

Obviously, sometimes you do get hit.

Also, some bosses use AoE, which some tanks will not or can not cancel AoEs so you need some health so you can survive their AoEs.

"PvP Gank" works sort of like "PvE Grind" -- this would include where red named archers are shooting low level white named people.

Damage is not steady, but gets delivered in chunks. This often, but not always, means that a few extra points of damage are irrelevant and also often means that a few extra points of health are irrelevant.

For some monsters, archers can be the best tanks.

In some contexts, you take damage for other reasons.

And.. so on... I had not even mentioned potions nor charms, nor clerics nor scale of battle, nor hp recovery rate, nor any other such details.

So... when someone says "vitality does not matter", they are right -- for some but not all combats.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Rulin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have browsed the forums several times a day for the past week, and i can say there are too many archer believing that having a bit of vit will actually make a difference.

Having played both builds I can only say that the huge amount of dmg u stop making from those points u miss on dex, allocated to vit are devastating for an archer gameplay.

This has been exposed again and again to those who -excuse me, i don't want to be rude- naively believe that little **** of extra hp vit gives us, will make a difference and the huge loss of dmg is worth it. Most just won't get it, so I really want to tell everyone to stop bothering with them, just explain ur position and move on, don't try to argue with them.

This post is not ment as an attack to hybrid builds, but rather a petition to those who want to convince them otherwise to stop trying and let them hit themselves against the wall, after all we are all human and most can only learn from our own exp. Let them see for themselves if we are wrong or not.

Let them do whatever they want. you have your way of play and they have theirs. and honestly, once you have well over 400 dex, a few missed dex points won't really matter. with the huge swing in archer damage. 450 dex and 440 dex really makes no difference.

nelanther

Every upgrade in this game is one negligible change after another. But they add up. 440 dex and 450 dex are not that much different, but neither is 3 vit and 13 vit. Gaining 100hp when your equipment is giving you 1500+ doesn't make a difference. But neither does .5% crit and a couple hundred attack make much difference when your hitting 8500 p-attack and 24% crit.

But start adding it up and the picture is clearer.

600HP vs. 3% crit & 800 attack

now both sides have some substace and you can start making good decisions. (my math is hypothetical, use pwcalc for actual numers)

Rulin - Heavens Tear

nelanther wrote: »

Every upgrade in this game is one negligible change after another. But they add up. 440 dex and 450 dex are not that much different, but neither is 3 vit and 13 vit. Gaining 100hp when your equipment is giving you 1500+ doesn't make a difference. But neither does .5% crit and a couple hundred attack make much difference when your hitting 8500 p-attack and 24% crit.

But start adding it up and the picture is clearer.

600HP vs. 3% crit & 800 attack

now both sides have some substace and you can start making good decisions. (my math is hypothetical, use pwcalc for actual numers)

My point, and i believe a whole lot other people is that, benefit from 20 points of dex>>>>>>20 points if vit. so yeahh

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let them do whatever they want. you have your way of play and they have theirs. and honestly, once you have well over 400 dex, a few missed dex points won't really matter. with the huge swing in archer damage. 450 dex and 440 dex really makes no difference.

what u just said is exactly what a i said, i saw too many people trying too hard to convince them otherwise (me included). so i'm just telling them to let them be... did u read my post?

HeavenzSky - Harshlands

im a hybrid supporter, but only on pvp server. you play on a pve server so i guess you can go pure dex. what ever floats your boat =/