Fist BM: Seeking for answers...

RockSkin - Sanctuary

Before flaming, please note that I don't know much of this build and my only objective it's to understand how Fist BM's behave in PvM. So I hope you can help me to make a final decision. I've wrote some questions in the bottom of this post, please be free to answer to them if you are experienced about this subject.

I've been reading this thread and I've learned a lot. I really enjoy PvM and Fist BM seems to be an interesting build to play with. As a Tanker I'm very alike to a Fist BM because I don't use much skills while I am grinding.

My skill chain when I start a fight resumes to this...

Beastial Rage before attacking monters (to get more chi), then interrupt the magic spells with Alacrity of the Beast and maybe Frighten (to gain extra chi and to decrease their physical damage output for few seconds). When I have the sparks ready, I use Advanced Spark Eruption or if my hp it's lower than 70% I use Sunder to recover it.

Somehow, when solo grinding tankers are similar to fisters , since we do interrupt a lot and Spark Eruption it's really good for us to bypass the negative effect of 50% less weapon damage with True Form lvl 3. We also have a problem with damage dealing, but I assume it's not bigger than fisters.

I have some doubts and I appreciate a lot for all the answers I can get for them:

1. Do fisters evade many physical hits from monsters?

2. Do critical hits occur that often? How many critical hits a fister do to a single monster? Give me an estimate number please and take into account lvl, monster and critical %.

3. What's a good ratio for fist BM? Is it 5 str even levels and 4 dex 1 vit odd levels alright?

4. Do they really need vit for PvM? Isn't it wise to put more str for better DD and forget the vit?

5. Final question, I've read in this thread someone saying that you're a god with those fists with the berserker mode. Does that even make sense? I mean berserker in a fist BM it's gonna trigger faster than other class, thus draining his hp faster right? Berserker sounds tempting on a fister because the damage add, but isn't it too dangerous?



Well that's all for now. If I remember more questions I'll edit this! Thanks in advance! b:pleased

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary

1) As a lvl 51 fist bm i usually evade about 1 in 5 hits and only miss about 1 in 12 hits. This is really usefull when i grind with the 2 all weapon aoe's and the fist path's cyclone heel, because i usually miss only once on the mob group. Fists also build up chi faster than the other classes, leading to more sparks for extra damage or for diamond sutra.

2)critical hits do occur more often, sometimes even several in a row (biggest chain so far is 6). currently i crit at least once on same-level mobs, with a crit rate of 7%.

3)thats a good ratio to use with a fist build, i put the point from vit into dex tho, and make up for it with shards.

4)in one on one PvM, you dont really need the extra vit, since the reduced accuracy means a few less mob hits, but once you start taking on several mobs at once, the extra vit makes it easy.

5)So far I've never had berserk, and i never will for exactly that reason. Low max HP + berserk = dead

Also, purely damage skills like Tiger Strike and Stream strike become useless, as you can do more damage with normal attacks. All the skills i have at this point are for the side effects. Draw blood is your best friend, because of the damage boost.

Kinohki - Lost City

Greetings. The Kin is currently a level 76 Fist Blademaster so, he will try to answer your questions.

1. Do fisters evade many physical hits from monsters?

The Kin's Thoughts: Census would say yes normally. However this purely depends on your build. Blademasters gain more benefits from Dex than Archers so they have higher evasion. An example, is that at level 78 The Kin has around 2680ish unbuffed evasion. With archer buff it hits clear up to 3200+ which is quite a bit. Against level 76 seaspray bladewolves, evasion is about 26%. With buff, upwards of 33-35%. It's actually not too uncommon to go through a seaspray or two without even getting hit!

2. Do critical hits occur that often? How many critical hits a fister do to a single monster? Give me an estimate number please and take into account lvl, monster and critical %.

The Kin's Thoughts: Yes, crits occur often. You're not going to have an archer's crit rate with a heavy build (5 str even 4 dex / 1 vit odd levels) but even so, at level 76 The Kin has a crit rate of 10-11% depending on what weapon he wields. it's not uncommon to see, if you're really lucky now mind you, upwards of 7+ crits in a row. Combine those with sparks and they hurt. Bad. The Kin has 209 str and HH 70 fist +1. Normal hits do about 1.4k, crits do 2-3k. Sparked normal hits do 2k and crits do 3k. Dual sparked they can do upwards of 5k+ and in a flurry they can hurt really bad. Yes the n umbers are low, but pair that with a 2.0 attack speed (relentless courage) and you can deal some insane damage, really fast. Fists also refine really well, but generally you don't want to even do that til 70-80+. At least not past +3 anyways.

3. What's a good ratio for fist BM? Is it 5 str even levels and 4 dex 1 vit odd levels alright?

The Kin's thoughts: The Kin says this is a perfect build. In fact it is the one he uses, though he capped vit around 48 and now puts 5 str on even and 5 dex on odd levels. This allows you to use heavy armor or spears / blades if you want to choose an offhand. The Kin suggests picking an offhand. Although fists are good, sometimes it's best to have another weapon to fall back on, just in case.


4. Do they really need vit for PvM? Isn't it wise to put more str for better DD and forget the vit?

The Kin's Answer: Vit is important. Period. Regardless of what people say it's important due to the fact that more vit = more HP. You'll really thank it once you start fighting bosses with AoE. After all, you don't want to have to retreat every few seconds to heal up or die do you? More HP keeps you in the battle longer, takes more HP to tick your charms in which you conserve them more, and The Kin assures you, that's a good thing.

5. Final question, I've read in this thread someone saying that you're a god with those fists with the berserker mode. Does that even make sense? I mean berserker in a fist BM it's gonna trigger faster than other class, thus draining his hp faster right? Berserker sounds tempting on a fister because the damage add, but isn't it too dangerous?

The Kin's Thoughts: The Kin has never used a berserker fist, but wants to SOOO badly. Mainly because once you dual spark. SOMETHING is going to die if they don't run. Either you or them. Either way, someone's gonna die. :P The First "zerk" fists don't come til much later in the game. 90+ The Kin believes or so. In any case below is a few tips.

Fist itself is really easy on spirit. The only skill you actually "need" to level is Cyclone heel mainly for the speed boost. Shadowless, Vacuous, Drake's Breath bash can all be left at one. However, Drake's Breath Bash looks like it could potentially be quite devastating later on down in it's levels. The Kin plans to max it out and test it to see what it's capable of.. In any case, enjoy if you make one!

alkaiza

PvM= player vs Monster right?

Do u mean a single normal mob? or boss/elite mobs? or multi mobs?

Fists is best against single mobs, kills faster than axe spamming skill *take note* this is only against 1 mob.

Fist isnt best for multi mobs or grinding, since lack of aoes, main aoe has a long cool down, and fist build has low hp so fist cannot take multiple dmg all at the same time.

Fist is the best tanker against LOW lvl bosses and i mean very LOW lvl WHEN you have reached the lvl 80+ , but not against BOSSES your lvl, TT/HH squad mode- Hard/normal/easy mode Bosses neither RB bosses, i say best tanker on low lvl bosses is because best DD almost even stronger than an archer so not even a barb can keep aggro without using aggro skills, so most likely u can kill an FB boss, or normal elite mobs faster than any other classes coz ur a pure DDer and ur DPS is unmatched, but to some it up a fister is not a Tanker even if u have interrupt skills, spark or whatevs.

RockSkin - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. Do fisters evade many physical hits from monsters?

We do, but u will fight lots of mobs even if u fight them 1 on 1, u will take dmg eventually so u really wont feel the goodness of eva on mobs

RockSkin - Sanctuary wrote: »

2. Do critical hits occur that often? How many critical hits a fister do to a single monster? Give me an estimate number please and take into account lvl, monster and critical %.

Scenario/example- Lets say ur a lvl 70 fist, u sparked, u used the advanced spark eruption, u have an amplified dmg in 10 secs and a fists atk rate is 1.43, and u have 14% crit rate(the 14% crit rate is the percentage u have to land a crit PER ATK so in 1 hit u have 14% chance to land crit) in this scenario we will find out how much % u have in landing a crit within 10 secs,
formula = 1.43x10= 14.3 amplified atks in 10 secs multiply it to ur crit rate 14% u have 200.2% chance of landing a crit within 10 secs, Big isnt it? again this NOT 200% chance of landing a crit per atk but within 10 secs but what i yet to find out is how many times u can land a crit.

RockSkin - Sanctuary wrote: »

3. What's a good ratio for fist BM? Is it 5 str even levels and 4 dex 1 vit odd levels alright? depends on what type ur going to actually but if ur PvE/PvM i advice whats below.

4. Do they really need vit for PvM? Isn't it wise to put more str for better DD and forget the vit?

if ur going PvM, u might as well go the entire PvE, i advice getting more vit than dex, 5 str even lvl, 2.5 dex 2.5 vit odd lvs

RockSkin - Sanctuary wrote: »

5. Final question, I've read in this thread someone saying that you're a god with those fists with the berserker mode. Does that even make sense? I mean berserker in a fist BM it's gonna trigger faster than other class, thus draining his hp faster right? Berserker sounds tempting on a fister because the damage add, but isn't it too dangerous?

Yes it is dangerous and i dont who said fists are god in berserker mode nor in behemoth fists but i say if ur going to have dat kind of fist surely u know the risk and will get equips to cap the holes and gaps of the berserker mode such as getting high vit and hp.

Experience as a fister, when u reach 80+ u will see that fist is better off in pvp than pve, coz grinding,rbs,zhen and tts are a must for u to go up in lvl u cant be grinding 1 mob at a time forever , u will get the urge to find the capabilty to kill a lot of mobs swifltyand to do that is to get them all and kill them at the same time and only an axe/pole can do that so if ur gonna be a pure fist u will soon feel the need of getting axes at80+ for pve. My true to life story as a hybrid

Granrey - Sanctuary

lol, rocking we have squaded toguether.

You know how i do it lolb:laugh

Yulk - Heavens Tear

I think its better with having more VIT on a BM for best survival rate, as kin said, VIT is important... Best to experience it, and people say fists have no AOE b:surrender, I need to check etacomb again.

And I really wana see how things work out if 2 STR, 2 DEX, 1 VIT per level sounds good to me.

Even though light armors give less DEF than heavy armors, but don't light armors have more evasion than heavy armors?

So, but archers will get jealous of my evasion because of DEX built light armored BM b:chuckle.

Also, with Genies is a plus, if you have spark (reduce fire resistance) + fire's skill that add fire damage = goodbye mobs b:angry I think genie spark skill is a must have.

alkaiza

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think its better with having more VIT on a BM for best survival rate, as kin said, VIT is important... Best to experience it, and people say fists have no AOE b:surrender, I need to check etacomb again.

Fist do have aoe and is called cyclone heel, but we say fist are not meant for aoe is becoz fist BASE dmg is low so skill dmg is low and this skill has low cool down compare to axes skill so u aoe grinding or aoeing mobs is a no no to fists (not unless ur hybrid)

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And I really wana see how things work out if 2 STR, 2 DEX, 1 VIT per level sounds good to me.

Even though light armors give less DEF than heavy armors, but don't light armors have more evasion than heavy armors?


So, but archers will get jealous of my evasion because of DEX built light armored BM b:chuckle.

NO, LA armors dont give higher eva, the reason why you say LA have high evea is becoz u can equip LA dat means ur base dex is already high so u have high eva but LA doesnt boost ur eva or ur accuracy, armors can only give the following:

Physical and magical defense/resistance
HP
SPecial STats

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ANd archers have no reason to get jealous of ur high eva coz they have buff skill which increases their evasion and archers depend on dex for dmg unlike BMs who depend on str , so who do u think would have higher dex? BMs? lol

Also, with Genies is a plus, if you have spark (reduce fire resistance) + fire's skill that add fire damage = goodbye mobs b:angry I think genie spark skill is a must have.

????? reduce fire resistance?????

Yulk - Heavens Tear

alkaiza wrote: »

Fist do have aoe and is called cyclone heel, but we say fist are not meant for aoe is becoz fist BASE dmg is low so skill dmg is low and this skill has low cool down compare to axes skill so u aoe grinding or aoeing mobs is a no no to fists (not unless ur hybrid)



NO, LA armors dont give higher eva, the reason why you say LA have high evea is becoz u can equip LA dat means ur base dex is already high so u have high eva but LA doesnt boost ur eva or ur accuracy, armors can only give the following:

Physical and magical defense/resistance
HP
SPecial STats





????? reduce fire resistance?????

I looked in PWI database XD, so i get it now >.> dayum no evasion =.=... but... having good P.DEF works out... I think light armored BMs are best used against magical elemental mobs... silly me b:shutup <--- lol

there is a skill that adds fire damage to weapon, which is for fists... i'll check out etacomp again

Yulk - Heavens Tear

this is what explains it b:chuckle

Drake's Breath Bash deals AOE damage, gains fire P.ATK for 15 seconds, and use spark on your opponents and duration is 6 seconds, you can really maximize your damage + speed 6 seconds if you have both of these linked together, even though the duration


Drakes breath bash > Spark (genie) > attack speed increase (genie)

Sounds like Almost no MP needed, can speed up the kills that way...

Elemental buff skill > decrease opponent's resistance to certain element = maximum damage

Its like barbs have skill to increase wood DMG, so wood res debuff would hurt them. However, I don't have a genie with that skill for my barb or intend on getting a genie for him XD, he is a tank + semi cleric (then again i don't have any skill to heal friendly targets yet b:surrender)

I really would love to try it out

You can play with skills, and genie skills and link them many ways, it can be

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> b:bye for opponents

RockSkin - Sanctuary

Can someone explain to me again the skill chain when starting a fight?

Jaggerjaques suggested to get Draw Blood. So I assume I start a fight with Drake's Ray and then I use Draw Blood? Does it really worth upgrading Draw Blood?

Thanks in advance.

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary

I find Draw blood to be very useful on mobs you go 1 on 1 with, since it adds to the amount of damage the mob takes. At this point its like adding 40 damage to each hit.

My normal chain of skills for 1 on 1 mob fights is using a bow until they're in range of Drake's Ray, then drakes ray, draw blood, and then normal attacks. Usually by the time they get to me, they're already 1/3 of the way dead.

I have to disagree with the statement that fist BMs cant Aoe grind. True, i can't do a continuous chain of aoes, but sparking, followed by fan of flames, drakes sweep and cyclone heel leaves surrounding mobs with about 1/2-1/3 hp, with spark time left over. Using Diamond sutra or Tree of Protection at the right time lets you come out of the fight almost unhurt, too.

feel free to pm me anytime, im on a lot

alkaiza

Hope this helps , i post this on another thread looking for fist skills for PvE


GO with this
Attack skills

Drawblood- max it out as early as u can, helps add dmg to ur dps specially at the lower lvls, so as early as possible, deas physical dmg overtime

Aeolian Blade-if ur going pvp max this out too, but if not u realy dont have to, coz we fist dont spam skill specially on pve, deals decent dmg and a chance to stun the target

Oceans Edge-its good a skill contrast to the vacous palm sill which uses 1 spark, this gives slow debuff on enemy but not a 100% chance, grinding wise this skill doesnt matter coz ur not gonna kite lvl 1 enough to slow running mobs but if ur going hybrid fist bow kiting its advice u max this one too and for pvp as well but since ur going pve maxing this one is a matter of choice and ur own gameplay

Drakes ray-Good skill for runners and kiters, so max this one too

Fan of Flames- ur going pve so have it, aoe skill on a frontal ray

Drakes Sweep- Same as above, for pve max it early

Vacous Palm- almost the same as oceans edge but this one deals greater dmg gives slower debuff on enemies and a 100% chance to give the debuff but last a few seconds less, even when maxed, using the 1 spark dat amplifies atk does better dmg but its up to you, how u play with ur fist.

Shadowless skill- for pve u dont have to max it lvl 1 is enough for canceling mag atks, but if going pvp max it out the added dmg is nice enough and if u go sage cooldon lessens to 2 seconds and demon gives area of effect dats nice enough

Cyclone heel- Since ur going pve every aoe would be useful so max this one too, and also this skill gives speed buff that would help u deal more dmg since u will be attacking faster heheh

Drakes breath bash- uhmm pve i guess its just the matter of how ur gameplay go, this skills deals a decent dmg and its aoe but on a straight line and gives u fire dmg so good against metal mobs so if ur planning on using this skill as part of ur aoe good luck on getting them all in a straight line, so it up to u if u would rather save the sparks for heal and stun or the aoe skill...

SUpport and Passive skills

Fist mastery- well of cors, it be stupid not to max this one

Roar of the pride- well one thing all Bms love, aoe stun, max this one too

Diamond Sutra- max this one too, whether u be pve or pvp fists loves the heal, and fist accumulates chi faster than most bm class so we get to use most of our chi sucking skills

Alter marrows-max out the physical for melee fights but for magic uhmm maxing is a bit dangerous specially to us fist, so lvl them depending on ur battle style, we fist are also capable of using LAs so make use of dat and with ur alter magic so maxing them is not a must but a choice

Leaps- very useful, specially when ur gonna use a bow, slow jump and bow, dats a good way to start a battle with a physical elite mob with no range atks or mag or duels

Cloudsprint and will of Bodhistava- max and get it, u will need it for rbs since ur pve, or if somehow u find urself in a duel this will help u a lot

ANd dat is all for now, the other skills dat i have not included is either useless or u wont be able to use them till ur 79+ hope u find this useful and for others if u have other ideas please shout them up

alkaiza

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary wrote: »

My normal chain of skills for 1 on 1 mob fights is using a bow until they're in range of Drake's Ray, then drakes ray, draw blood, and then normal attacks. Usually by the time they get to me, they're already 1/3 of the way dead.

if u really can pull that, then i'll say nice

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have to disagree with the statement that fist BMs cant Aoe grind. True, i can't do a continuous chain of aoes, but sparking, followed by fan of flames, drakes bash and cyclone heel leaves surrounding mobs with about 1/2-1/3 hp, with spark time left over. Using Diamond sutra or Tree of Protection at the right time lets you come out of the fight almost unhurt, too.

feel free to pm me anytime, im on a lot

keep in mind dat when u use spark u lose the ability to use heals, at ur lvl u only have 1 spark and 100% chi, so when u spark and u stun, u will lose most of ur spark and chi and even though fist have faster chi accumulation u cant get enough chi to spam ur chain of sparked aoes , and lesser chance to use a heal and the fact that usualy fists at ur lvl have low hp means ur putting urself at great risk when u use spark against ur enemies and dont forget as u go on lvling fist skills arent dat strong to bring down that kind of fraction on a mob and the risk of dying faster against multiple mobs is higher since ur max hp wont go up that high unless ur not really crit rate based fist(meaning u put in more str and vit and less dex)and remember cyclone heel has 8 sec cool down meaning thats a long wait before u can use that skill again

ANd high lvl tree of protection means higher vit, meaning it will take out most of ur genie energy so if ur going high vit for ur genie meaning slower recovery rate for energy since u would have low mag so dependance on genie heals is dangerous for a aoe grinding fist, then u also have to consider the tree doesnt kick right in for like 1 or 2 seconds so if like u find ur self atked by sacrifice and increased atk stat mobs u might not be able to use the heal on time and it has low heal duration compared to sutra or any other heals.

So if for pve fist 1 on 1 is the only way not unless ur going hybrid and use axes for pve then if u go hybrid theres no point in going pve and using fist if ur going to use axes anyways right?

complexx

Lol @ the lowbie advice.

alkaiza

complexx wrote: »

Lol @ the lowbie advice.

Just because ur high lvl doesnt give u the right to look down low lvls, its their own opinion, even u no matter how high lvl u are started off as lowbie as well, don t laugh coz even high lvls make mistake coz their too damn proud to take advice from anyone else they think theyre so good and has forgotten that all high lvls were once noobs.... If he can pull what he saying then he is has chance of becoming like u a high lvl but even though it may sound impractical, theoretical or hypothetical is becoz u never had gone through the fist path so who are u to say a fist cant pull that off? As for me i can do that, i may fail at times but it was a good start to help me get through most of my lowbie lvls... and learn how to master it when i started growing... so peace out

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary

alkaiza wrote: »

keep in mind dat when u use spark u lose the ability to use heals, at ur lvl u only have 1 spark and 100% chi, so when u spark and u stun, u will lose most of ur spark and chi

True. Usually i collect 4-5 mobs, spark and use all the AOEs i have and just use the leftover spark time to kill them. Once the skills have cooled down I use Drake sweep again, which will finish off most of the remaining ones.

alkaiza wrote: »

high lvl tree of protection means higher vit, meaning it will take out most of ur genie energy so if ur going high vit for ur genie meaning slower recovery rate for energy since u would have low mag so dependance on genie heals is dangerous for a aoe grinding fist

In between large groups i go after 1-2 mob groups to rebuild chi and let my genie recharge

alkaiza wrote: »

then u also have to consider the tree doesnt kick right in for like 1 or 2 seconds so if like u find ur self atked by sacrifice and increased atk stat mobs u might not be able to use the heal on time

Always know your enemy before attacking

alkaiza

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary wrote: »

True. Usually i collect 4-5 mobs, spark and use all the AOEs i have and just use the leftover spark time to kill them. Once the skills have cooled down I use Drake sweep again, which will finish off most of the remaining ones.

to answer that reread my post again

alkaiza wrote: »

even though fist have faster chi accumulation u cant get enough chi to spam ur chain of sparked aoes , and lesser chance to use a heal and the fact that usualy fists at ur lvl have low hp means ur putting urself at great risk when u use spark against ur enemies and dont forget as u go on lvling fist skills arent dat strong to bring down that kind of fraction on a mob and the risk of dying faster against multiple mobs is higher since ur max hp wont go up that high unless ur not really crit rate based fist(meaning u put in more str and vit and less dex)and remember cyclone heel has 8 sec cool down meaning thats a long wait before u can use that skill again

Just because u were given a few aoe skills it doesnt mean u can fully utilize its aoe capability u will soon find out that ur dmg wont go as fast and high as dat of an axe so aoe grinding at 70+ with fist is really gonna be tough for u and specially at 80+ believe me i had to suffer dat first before i decided to go hybrid.

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary wrote: »

In between large groups i go after 1-2 mob groups to rebuild chi and let my genie recharge



Always know your enemy before attacking

and dat would take u like?? how many seconds?? or mins? just by trying to look for nonboosted mobs and rounding them uo? u had wasted time when u could have saved time and gained more if lowered ur pride and accepted that axe are better in terms of aoe grinding.

And if u would say its worth the time? id advice ud go do 1v1 grinding on air mobs at that lvl coz u CAN (a possibility) top even axe aoe grinding due to to exp bonus in air.

Filet - Heavens Tear

There's no way solo grinding can be faster than aoe grinding. Doesn't matter how fast you're killing with your fists, unless you can kill 10-15 mobs one by one in the same time it takes a bm to aoe kill them, you're leveling slower

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Few things.

Any fist BM with a 1.43 attack speed is either really terrible, or has no idea what they are doing. Wrists are up in AH for pretty cheap with -.05 interval, and lvl 60 gives the use of a nice -.1 interval wrist bracer. If you plan on being a fistmaster, you must dress appropriately.

The chance of getting a critical in those 10 seconds is 1 - .86^14.3 power. 100% chance is a guaranteed, 200% chance of getting one thing simply doesn't exist.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

alkaiza wrote: »

Just because ur high lvl doesnt give u the right to look down low lvls, its their own opinion, even u no matter how high lvl u are started off as lowbie as well, don t laugh coz even high lvls make mistake coz their too damn proud to take advice from anyone else they think theyre so good and has forgotten that all high lvls were once noobs.... If he can pull what he saying then he is has chance of becoming like u a high lvl but even though it may sound impractical, theoretical or hypothetical is becoz u never had gone through the fist path so who are u to say a fist cant pull that off? As for me i can do that, i may fail at times but it was a good start to help me get through most of my lowbie lvls... and learn how to master it when i started growing... so peace out

@complex
I agree with alkazaiza, just because i am like level 8 (32 barb as highest) or anyone else that is around that level 40 maybe or lower. Doesn't mean lowbies are helpless and should be looked down on. ANYONE can do some mistakes regardless of level, I am reading from the forums, experimenting and having my own opinions... Your doing that to your own self dude
I didn't play as much as well coz of things to do, so how can i reach a high level in 5 mins...? Also Genie exp sink so i level really slow, i rather take my time leveling skills than to have high level not having hood skills.

So do what this bear complex ---> b:shutup

props to alkazaiza b:pleased b:thanks

peace people

pervs

eidt:
nvm i dont wanna get banned lol

alkaiza

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Few things.

Any fist BM with a 1.43 attack speed is either really terrible, or has no idea what they are doing. Wrists are up in AH for pretty cheap with -.05 interval, and lvl 60 gives the use of a nice -.1 interval wrist bracer. If you plan on being a fistmaster, you must dress appropriately.

The chance of getting a critical in those 10 seconds is 1 - .86^14.3 power. 100% chance is a guaranteed, 200% chance of getting one thing simply doesn't exist.

If u read my post, it says "scenario/example" meaning even a fist with just a 1.43 atk rate(when i meant that i was using a normal fist with normal gears as an example not becoz i dont know what im doing) and a 14% crit rate he has a 200% "chance" of landing a crit "within" 10 secs, meaning its a probability, and it also means that just because i say landing A crit, it doesnt mean u will only land 1 crit the entire 10 secs, it either could be 1,2,3, or 4, or freakin 100 (exaggerating) but within 10 secs u WILL land a crit base on that probability, so i think u misunderstood what i just posted since we both have the same point, that a fister will land a crit within that 10 sec time, and if according to u and my equations in 10 secs there will always be a crit, we just dont know how many it will be... Lke i said this game is not like those old MMORPGs dat dmg can be mathematically calculated by human beings, this game has like a random engine, for crit,min/maximum atk,stun chance and so on so forth so coz even with my 20% crit rate and faster atk speed i dont deal raining crit atks on my enemy... And ive posted some where that in order to succeed as a fist, refinements and getting the right gears is a must for a fist and i think weve talked about that before.

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary

I may have misunderstood your advice to me, for which i apologize.

I don't however, try to gain as many levels as i can as fast as i can, i play for fun. If i die a bunch, oh well; if my methods are slower than those for axe bms, oh well; had i wanted to be a high level as fast as i could, i would've stayed with my first character instead of trying all of them up to fb19. b:chuckle

If you are so concerned with my methods and how wrong they are, pm me anytime on a Sat or Sun and ill be happy to show you b:victory

alkaiza

Jaggerjaques - Sanctuary wrote: »

I may have misunderstood your advice to me, for which i apologize.

I don't however, try to gain as many levels as i can as fast as i can, i play for fun. If i die a bunch, oh well; if my methods are slower than those for axe bms, oh well; had i wanted to be a high level as fast as i could, i would've stayed with my first character instead of trying all of them up to fb19. b:chuckle

If you are so concerned with my methods and how wrong they are, pm me anytime on a Sat or Sun and ill be happy to show you b:victory

Well if u are continuing ur methods just to enjoy i guess i have nothing more to say against that , just keep in mind ur giving advice to someone who wants to know about how well a fist can do in PvM, not just to enjoy it(although that is a part of it)

And if u wana know why fist arent best in aoe grinding and ur methods will surely take time and bore urself to death when ur high lvl and just wants to lvl and get the awesome gears i can show u a thing or too as well >.< well we are in the same server... uhm PWI server lol b:victory

Armegedon - Lost City

Kinohki - Lost City wrote: »

Greetings. The Kin is currently a level 76 Fist Blademaster so, he will try to answer your questions.

1. Do fisters evade many physical hits from monsters?

The Kin's Thoughts: Census would say yes normally. However this purely depends on your build. Blademasters gain more benefits from Dex than Archers so they have higher evasion. An example, is that at level 78 The Kin has around 2680ish unbuffed evasion. With archer buff it hits clear up to 3200+ which is quite a bit. Against level 76 seaspray bladewolves, evasion is about 26%. With buff, upwards of 33-35%. It's actually not too uncommon to go through a seaspray or two without even getting hit!

2. Do critical hits occur that often? How many critical hits a fister do to a single monster? Give me an estimate number please and take into account lvl, monster and critical %.

The Kin's Thoughts: Yes, crits occur often. You're not going to have an archer's crit rate with a heavy build (5 str even 4 dex / 1 vit odd levels) but even so, at level 76 The Kin has a crit rate of 10-11% depending on what weapon he wields. it's not uncommon to see, if you're really lucky now mind you, upwards of 7+ crits in a row. Combine those with sparks and they hurt. Bad. The Kin has 209 str and HH 70 fist +1. Normal hits do about 1.4k, crits do 2-3k. Sparked normal hits do 2k and crits do 3k. Dual sparked they can do upwards of 5k+ and in a flurry they can hurt really bad. Yes the n umbers are low, but pair that with a 2.0 attack speed (relentless courage) and you can deal some insane damage, really fast. Fists also refine really well, but generally you don't want to even do that til 70-80+. At least not past +3 anyways.

3. What's a good ratio for fist BM? Is it 5 str even levels and 4 dex 1 vit odd levels alright?

The Kin's thoughts: The Kin says this is a perfect build. In fact it is the one he uses, though he capped vit around 48 and now puts 5 str on even and 5 dex on odd levels. This allows you to use heavy armor or spears / blades if you want to choose an offhand. The Kin suggests picking an offhand. Although fists are good, sometimes it's best to have another weapon to fall back on, just in case.


4. Do they really need vit for PvM? Isn't it wise to put more str for better DD and forget the vit?

The Kin's Answer: Vit is important. Period. Regardless of what people say it's important due to the fact that more vit = more HP. You'll really thank it once you start fighting bosses with AoE. After all, you don't want to have to retreat every few seconds to heal up or die do you? More HP keeps you in the battle longer, takes more HP to tick your charms in which you conserve them more, and The Kin assures you, that's a good thing.

5. Final question, I've read in this thread someone saying that you're a god with those fists with the berserker mode. Does that even make sense? I mean berserker in a fist BM it's gonna trigger faster than other class, thus draining his hp faster right? Berserker sounds tempting on a fister because the damage add, but isn't it too dangerous?

The Kin's Thoughts: The Kin has never used a berserker fist, but wants to SOOO badly. Mainly because once you dual spark. SOMETHING is going to die if they don't run. Either you or them. Either way, someone's gonna die. :P The First "zerk" fists don't come til much later in the game. 90+ The Kin believes or so. In any case below is a few tips.

Fist itself is really easy on spirit. The only skill you actually "need" to level is Cyclone heel mainly for the speed boost. Shadowless, Vacuous, Drake's Breath bash can all be left at one. However, Drake's Breath Bash looks like it could potentially be quite devastating later on down in it's levels. The Kin plans to max it out and test it to see what it's capable of.. In any case, enjoy if you make one!

Pro Fist/Spear user, listen to him.

dekciw

I stopped reading after he said "The Kin" for the third time. Reading someone typing about himself @ the third person, makes my eyes bleed.

xsumguy

i agree dekciw.. everytime i read "The Kin" , i punched my cat in pure rage. b:angry anyways, i just started playing PWI and i decided to go fist BM, before even finding this post.. and i personally love it. lots of fun, even at the lower levels