pdef. for slow-pokes?
Hemoglobin - Lost City
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I think that I'm a little confused at the moment. I read around and I thought that Wizards are supposed to be killing things in roughly 3-4 shots, yet for me its been taking longer than that to kill a mob; something like 6 or more. I'm an LA wizard, and yes, I'm aware that it's a sacrifice of, or at least what I thought to be, SOME damage for MORE pdef, but how much of a difference does that really make? If I'm LA at level 20 and taking about 6+ shots on a mob to kill it, am I doing that much less damage as a light wiz that it's taking me that much longer? I mean..thats 3 more shots on a mob whereas I'm guessing, if its even true, that a pure would only take 3 shots to kill. To me that seems like a big difference. So as to assure you that I know what I'm doing with this build and not messing up points or skills, each level I add 1 dex|1 str| and 3 mag, giving me 24 str and 24 dex at my current level (combat lvl +4), and the rest is in mag. The skills i've leveled are my attack skills (pyro, gush, stone rain-maxed/crown of flames, hailstorm, pitfall, divine pyrogram-lvl 1) and I've been maxing stone barrier so far and leaving other barriers for later. That said, my question is this: As an LA wizard is the damage output that significantly less that its taking me nearly 3+ more shots on a mob to kill it? Actually, to be clear, does a pure wiz even take 3 shots to kill something or do the mobs always get a chance to attack? I thought the wiz was supposed to kill things before they get to you, not sit there and be attacked a few times and die because the mob got to you. (plz dont tell me to reroll an archer, I'm quite aware that is their job as well) I guess I'm just confused as to if LA is really all that great if the dmg is that much less.
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I was an LA up to 60, so I can tell you that it will take one or two more hits normally to kill mobs. The LA build is geared toward PvP, and does make a difference there, as far as surviving goes. It's not a bad build.
Pure builds will die a lot quicker in those levels since there's a lot of phys. damage mobs. The only thing you get out of being pure from 1-60 or so is you learn to play your class better, i.e. kiting and use of the few control skills we get. That's just my opinion, and someone with a different opinion will probably say I'm wrong.
My suggestion, though, is stick it out until most of your mobs are magic, at least.
In reality, both have their pros and cons, and I think it's an even trade-off. Play the way you like the most. The only "good" build is the one you have the most fun with.
By the way, expect a few flames since you didn't bother to hit the "Enter" key between some of those sentances. You have to give readers a break if you want them to take in everyting you have to say.0 -
Since your on Lost City, stay LA (at least for the majority of time), providing you dislike any of the following factors:
1) getting one shot by archers
2) getting smashed and not able to withstand being stunned by bms
3) dying when several physical attack mobs aggro to you
4) having low hp
5) being ****
6) refer to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
The damage output is insignificant seeing as though you can't do damage if you're dead.0 -
Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »Typical archers hit me for something like 2k..3k when I have 900pdef. So I do not think light armor really helps me very much? If I can get high-level barb, cleric and blademaster buffs, I can survive being one-shot, but I usually am not worth so much trouble.
Hit you for what, using what? If your reply is pdef, there's a huge difference. Try 500-600 from an 81 archer with crimson horn soulsmasher +5 and 2 g8 shards, with 5.4k pdef self buffed @ 74. I dread to think what he'd be hitting if I had around 2k pdef.
I'm assuming that account isn't your main btw.
@Op, forgot to mention, you get knockback spells (phoenix, FoW), plus the ultimate move of all time, Distance Shrink, to save you from getting clubbed to death by anything and everything with a pair of arms.0 -
Damaged - Lost City wrote: »Since your on Lost City, stay LA (at least for the majority of time), providing you dislike any of the following factors:
1) getting one shot by archers
2) getting smashed and not able to withstand being stunned by bms
3) dying when several physical attack mobs aggro to you
4) having low hp
5) being ****
6) refer to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
The damage output is insignificant seeing as though you can't do damage if you're dead.
Yeah, this is the main reason I decided to go LA in the first place, I'm a PvP addict b:chuckle. I just didn't expect that killing things would take that much longer that I'm actually going to get hit because the mobs are able to get close. However, in Pandora's guide he says he hits maybe 200 less than a pure mag, so i guess after 3 shots at lvl 20 (3 x 200 = 600) 600 missing dmg is basically another shot or two..so I guess I can see where I'm coming short.Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »Wizard damage comes from your leveled skills and from your gear, and from your attributes.
Low level wizards are tanks, relatively speaking, and will probably be taking some hits. If you are level 20, you should be using your trial pataka (and in my opinion you should be socketing some sapphires -- shabbies if nothing else). If you have not completed your FB yet (and monsters you must kill leading up to your FB are particularly hard) then you should be using your stash weapon. Your magic rings also matter (and you should have an ok one from your supply stash, if I recall correctly, but an emerald ring will hit harder if you do not mind giving up 30hp).
But, honestly, I do not think you get enough benefit from light armor to be worth bothering with until your mid levels (when you get your TT weapons, light armor might be worthwhile).
I did my FB at about 3am last night lol. The main reason that I chose to go LA from the begining is because I don't have much money irl and I don't feel like setting myself up for a build where I have to restat once I get to 60+. That said, now that I'm already lvl 20 (and too lazy to restart) there's no way that I will restat now to pure just to restat later, because like Damaged mentions, its more of a PvP build, and that's really all I'm geared for. I guess I'll just deal with the lacking damage or see if there is any way to increase my damage. I was thinking of buying the sword mold but I think that it is for lvl 22, not really sure. And I think I've forgotten my stash stuff from lvl 10, 15, and 20, lol..been too focused on lvling.Damaged - Lost City wrote: »Hit you for what, using what? If your reply is pdef, there's a huge difference. Try 500-600 from an 81 archer with crimson horn soulsmasher +5 and 2 g8 shards, with 5.4k pdef self buffed @ 74. I dread to think what he'd be hitting if I had around 2k pdef.
I'm assuming that account isn't your main btw.
@Op, forgot to mention, you get knockback spells (phoenix, FoW), plus the ultimate move of all time, Distance Shrink, to save you from getting clubbed to death by anything and everything with a pair of arms.
Yeahhhhhhh, distance shrink can't come soon enough.. that was another attraction to the wiz. I know it's odd to compare the two classes PvP wise, but BM leaps are kind of screwy and from what I've seen, distance shrink always works. I'm still gunna keep my BM around though, hes lvl 50 so no use deleting after all that work.0 -
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Wizard damage actually starts getting better as early as late level 30's. Depending on what skills you decide to invest in though you might not get results until late 40's or even 50's. Beyond that depends on how you have built your char so far.
Light Armor is basically just about as effective as Robe at your level, it should start to finally become useful once your Stone Armor reaches higher levels (beyond 7? or so).
I know quite a few high level wizards (60-70+) who aren't exactly "rich" but who still refuse to use crafting and who think cleric buffs are stupid. Obviously they suck, but they're very good at sweet talking WC and complaining.0 -
Arcane All the way.
using your skills right (Distance shrink, Force of Will, etc) can improve your survivability by a great deal.
Whereas, Light Armour, You're not exactly utilizing Wizards Potential. Light armour caters to Lazy people. ALOT, if not ALL wizards whom are Light Armour, restat around 80-90, in that level range, Your Damage isn't as gimped, You're not gonna die in 2-3 shots IF you've played your wizard right, and, the HH gear looks rad.0 -
Arcane Armor is a joke at lower levels in pvp for a few reasons.Anders - Lost City wrote: »Arcane All the way.
using your skills right (Distance shrink, Force of Will, etc) can improve your survivability by a great deal.
Whereas, Light Armour, You're not exactly utilizing Wizards Potential. Light armour caters to Lazy people. ALOT, if not ALL wizards whom are Light Armour, restat around 80-90, in that level range, Your Damage isn't as gimped, You're not gonna die in 2-3 shots IF you've played your wizard right, and, the HH gear looks rad.
- Your distance shrink sucks for about 30 levels
- FoW will not be leveled until 7x or higher
- Light Armor molds are far more common + cheaper and will give better stats in a lot of cases, Arcane molds often suck
- as Arcane your HP is going to be pathetic unless you **** your pdef over, or you can go vit build and make the difference in power between LA and Arcane even smaller... except that you have no critrate to speak of
I prefer not dying to every standard Archer combination (stun-deadly shot), every perdition and every phoenix. If I was Arcane ever 9x archer would kill me in 1 or 2 shots and I'd die as soon as two BMs/barbs were on me. Or just one, any decent crit or zerk would bypass the hiero, lol.Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0 -
well, when you get blink, you shouldn't be busting your **** to kill people. all Light armour does is improve survivablity, yet I can take WB's 1-6 levels higher than me if I play my cards right.0
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I can take WBs higher level than me even if I don't play my cards right. Only way I really die is zerk crits or if perdition doubles because of zerk/crit. 55-60% -> undine/amp Dragon takes care of most barbs anyway. And hey, light armor improves survivability enough for me to take on higher level archers. If they don't get crits in with metal skills they generally die first. If they don't realize they need to use metal skills they basically will die unless they're using far better gear.Anders - Lost City wrote: »well, when you get blink, you shouldn't be busting your **** to kill people. all Light armour does is improve survivablity, yet I can take WB's 1-6 levels higher than me if I play my cards right.Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0 -
Anders - Lost City wrote: »Arcane All the way.
using your skills right (Distance shrink, Force of Will, etc) can improve your survivability by a great deal.
Whereas, Light Armour, You're not exactly utilizing Wizards Potential. Light armour caters to Lazy people. ALOT, if not ALL wizards whom are Light Armour, restat around 80-90, in that level range, Your Damage isn't as gimped, You're not gonna die in 2-3 shots IF you've played your wizard right, and, the HH gear looks rad.
ummm... DS, FoW... i don't understand how you can avoid dying in 3 shots "if you've played your wizard right"(Anders). Seriously, even if you DS and avoid that second hit for 3-5 seconds... it's still coming and it's gonna kill you.
LA is really the only way to go. The damage difference (at least in my last 70 levels) has been unnoticeable (PvE & PVP); Just like my pure robed companions, I 3 hit Hydrolaces (SS-SR-SS), I can take down any arch/wr/wb with 1 sutra combo; and heck i even give ep's a run for their money with sutra -> FoW -> chi pot -> BT -> SS. Since I'm on a PvE server, I keep quest robes to grind with & my M.def in those is on par with every wiz my level.
...anyways idk why im preaching about LA today, WQ + heat wave has me unusually bored this evening b:irritated
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Pandora didnt mention something
the 200 damage is pvp damage
just a fyi
i Pk, i wear robes.
I do great, cant wait for pants of dark hades, my BM friends are getting their TT 70 so i gotta stay with them O.o
i been one shotted as LA by an archer.
i was lvl 58 and the archer was lvl 65.
I had +HP LA armor all with 2 sockets (boots had 3 sockets)
g5 citrines
archer came in one shotted me with a lightning skill crit.
go into TW later
i got one shotted by so many tempests >.<
i prefer robes more to work with. Basically you just gotta fix your pdef and HP which you can do. LA you concentrate on HP but your pdef/mdef is lacking. Dont forget archers are squishy too. We can one shot them with sandstorm
-.-Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: ». LA you concentrate on HP but your pdef/mdef is lacking. Dont forget archers are squishy too. We can one shot them with sandstorm
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Lost all your credibility as a mage right there bro. La your pdef is lacking? It's the reason people GO LA, and your pdef is FAR from lacking. Who gives a **** about mage def when you refine your gear and have so much hp, combined with apoth, ToP, charm ofc, and you can just tank cleric metal attacks, you can tank low hp arcane wizzies moves, you can survive nix bleeds, you can survive stunlocks, you can survive ambushes by archers. Gl doing any of the above as a robe with under 2k hp at level 70 (assuming you pdef shard your gear).
Gl doing group pvp at 70+ in robes with no hp and no pdef then dying repeatedly because you have no pdef when the majority of pvpers with over 4 brain cells will use physical attacks as soon as they see you're a mage.0 -
Damaged - Lost City wrote: »Since your on Lost City, stay LA (at least for the majority of time), providing you dislike any of the following factors:
1) getting one shot by archers
2) getting smashed and not able to withstand being stunned by bms
3) dying when several physical attack mobs aggro to you
4) having low hp
5) being ****
6) refer to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
The damage output is insignificant seeing as though you can't do damage if you're dead.
Don't get the boy's hopes up to high. Mage will not get any better til 80+. It doesn't really matter the build w/o undine we are in a rough place. Now, don't get me wrong LA will help you until around 6x when the elemental mobs kick in and the 9x's just come hunt you instead of the 6x's when your a 3x. Don't worry it all pays off in the long run when you watch them scurry like rodents from our awesome mage power.
We do have awesome mage power right? b:surrenderSpoons you will forever be missed in this community0 -
I feel like ignoring your post and simply saying "PvE server lol".Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »Pandora didnt mention something
the 200 damage is pvp damage
just a fyi
i Pk, i wear robes.
I do great, cant wait for pants of dark hades, my BM friends are getting their TT 70 so i gotta stay with them O.o
i been one shotted as LA by an archer.
i was lvl 58 and the archer was lvl 65.
I had +HP LA armor all with 2 sockets (boots had 3 sockets)
g5 citrines
archer came in one shotted me with a lightning skill crit.
go into TW later
i got one shotted by so many tempests >.<
i prefer robes more to work with. Basically you just gotta fix your pdef and HP which you can do. LA you concentrate on HP but your pdef/mdef is lacking. Dont forget archers are squishy too. We can one shot them with sandstorm
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But I'll forgive you because you're still lowbie.Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0 -
Piliener - Lost City wrote: »Don't get the boy's hopes up to high. Mage will not get any better til 80+.
< some **** i didn't read? >
Stopped reading right there, sorry. That statement is so generalised, you're even on a PVP server, go prove yourself wrong please.0
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