Phoenix 4th attack

tradesell

1 thing I don't understand is that...

flesh rim lvl 5 does 200% damage over time, recharge every 15 second.

Bash also do 200% direct damage, recharge every 8 second.

How come people suggest flesh rim but not Bash? Since bash does almost double the damage over time.

Lucky_Curse - Lost City

hmm, not sure but i think flesh ream goes thru ur armor causing the dmg.
while bash gets reduce by players armor.

i'm not sure just guessing

but that is a good question

Ikurei - Dreamweaver

In PvP, all damage is reduced (I don't know by how much though). That includes normal melee attacks, magic, physical skills, pet attacks, and pet skills. Well, all damage except flesh ream (on all pets, not only if it's put on phoenix).

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

So for PvE purposes, bash would be better?

Ikurei - Dreamweaver

I'm assuming bash would be better for PvE otherwise pets like the magmites and hercs would have flesh ream instead of bash (unless I'm completely missing some point (which does happen quite often)).

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Flesh Ream actually does the same damage as a regular attack. The 200% is the bleed damage that's in addition to the regular attack.

So Flesh Ream is 3x damage in 15 sec, Bash is 2x damage in 8 sec.

That gives Bash a little less than a 4:3 damage advantage at level 5 (less difference at lower skill level). However, each use of the skills does aggro equivalent to roughly 3000-5000 damage. Since Bash fires about twice for each time Flesh Ream fires once, Bash ends up with a huge aggro advantage.

So Bash for PvE. Flesh Ream for PvP.

Course the phoenix doesn't really need help from either skill to hold aggro.

tweakz

Since Bash fires about twice for each time Flesh Ream fires once, Bash ends up with a huge aggro advantage.

So bash over time actually has a higher dps than flesh ream.

Peritia - Lost City

tweakz wrote: »

So bash over time actually has a higher dps than flesh ream.

Strictly in terms of the skills, yes. But the situation isn't quite that simple.

It's easy to forget to consider regular hits. Bash would only have a higher DPS if the pets were simply firing off their skills, then halting attacks until cooldown has finished.

To see the DPS from the skill itself, consider the damage inflicted which is additional to the 100% damage you would have gotten if it was a regular hit:

Bash
Extra 100% every 8 seconds
= 12.5%/sec

Flesh Ream
Extra 200% every 15 seconds
= 13.3%/sec

Thus Flesh Ream has a slight lead.

This also assumes that the skills take no longer than a regular melee attack to execute - we know they take longer. When this delay is taken into account, Flesh Ream's lead grows larger (although the exact amount is unknown until we know exactly how long skills take to execute). This is especially true for high attack rate pets like the Phoenix. Obviously the difference is pretty marginal though.

Even ignoring the PVP implications, I prefer Flesh Ream for Phoenix since you can fire off Flesh Ream then Pounce immediately after, and the period of enhanced attack speed will not be interrupted by skill repeat (ie. if it had used Bash at the start).

Blade__Queen - Heavens Tear

Well personally i dnt think it makes to much of a difference i use flesh ream on my nix and it kills mobs so quick i couldnt care less what skills it had and ive never had a problem with aggro and flesh ream, i went flesh ream because its best for pvp and it really doesnt make a difference which 1 u use on mobs they die quick anyway

Vixe - Heavens Tear

Either way, it doesn't really matter. Both Bash and Flesh Ream are both good skills to teach your nix and you basically have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Phoenix already holds aggro well because of its strong attacks, so both skills don't really affect much in PvE, so the thing you want to look at is PvP. Flesh Ream is bugged and doesn't get affected by the damage reduction, which is why most phoenix users have it.

All in all, if you're using the phoenix in ONLY PvE, both skills are great. In PvP, Flesh Ream has the advantage, and that is why most venos use it, and since most of those who have phoenixes eventually go into PvP, Flesh Ream is the way to go.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Peritia - Lost City wrote: »

Bash
Extra 100% every 8 seconds
= 12.5%/sec

Flesh Ream
Extra 200% every 15 seconds
= 13.3%/sec

Thus Flesh Ream has a slight lead.

The damage from Bash is front-loaded (happens all at once immediately after the skill is used). If the mob dies before Flesh Ream has run its course, you're not going to get the full 200% damage.

Basically I consider the two about equivalent in terms of damage. Bash has a huge advantage if you want the pet to hold aggro. Flesh Ream has a huge advantage if you're doing PvP. I also like Flesh Ream as a pulling skill. And there's no rule preventing you from putting both on a pet.

This also assumes that the skills take no longer than a regular melee attack to execute - we know they take longer. When this delay is taken into account, Flesh Ream's lead grows larger (although the exact amount is unknown until we know exactly how long skills take to execute).

I'm not sure what to make of the skill delays. When your golem first attacks with a Bash, you'll see the regular attack damage figure appear almost instantly after the Bash damage figure, indicating no skill delay. That would mean Bash is essentially getting the full 200% extra damage since it's almost simultaneous with regular attack damage.

But in subsequent attacks, it does seem that firing Bash causes a delay in the timing of the regular attack. So the argument you make above would apply. I really can't make heads or tails of it.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

What are all the Skills the Nix has?

Alphae - Lost City

Nix comes with Bash, Pounce (stun + increased attack rate), Blessing of the Pack (+30% HP for 1hr), and Claw (+30% attack for 1hr).

tweakz

Nix doesn't come with bash. Just the 3 - Pounce, claw, and blessing.

Alphae - Lost City

*ponders* Thought I had to make mine forget bash. O_o

Ah well.

Serinregis - Lost City

Ikurei - Dreamweaver wrote: »

In PvP, all damage is reduced (I don't know by how much though). That includes normal melee attacks, magic, physical skills, pet attacks, and pet skills. Well, all damage except flesh ream (on all pets, not only if it's put on phoenix).

all dmg is reduced by 75% for PvP, flesh ream in pet ignores this reduction

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear

Flesh Ream is a no brainer for the Nix. The difference in damage in PvE vs Bash is academic. But you have a HUGE advantage if u want to PvP, TW duel if you have Flesh Ream. Also as mentioned earlier more time to use Pounce.

Holding aggro is never a problem for the Nix due to the high normal attack.

tradesell

Thank for the reply people

Since flesh ream is bug, I dont see a reason why to not have it