Mage in PKing?

AxeMaster_ - Harshlands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5JwCM_UxSQ&feature=channel
Ok this mage pk video shows this guy who is really owning guys but i just wanna know if the mage is a good pker because this mage seems to be at good at it and many people on this forum say that the mage is PvE and cant PvP for their life is this true?

Lareish - Harshlands

I believe that is video from an illegal private server. It looks like the mage in question is level 130, or something similar - the res isn't that great but it's definitely 3 digits.

You can't take this at face value. Private servers let you get to the level cap within hours, all skills intact. So this person is likely just running around and hitting people who haven't figured out how to play yet. Or, they might be significantly lower leveled.

That said, Mage (Wizard) is both a cursed class and a valuable one. We can solo fine on our own (as long as you're careful and have a strategy + apothecary items) and are a good asset in a squad - especially at later levels when we can tank magic bosses. PVE is tricky but a good track for us. PvP in early and even mid levels is dicy. We have short HP bars so it's not too hard for other classes to kill us. But in the higher levels, we deal such high damage that the people who were killing us earlier can become easy prey, especially if we get the drop on them. If they get the drop on us, however, it's still a fight to survive. (But whoever gets the drop gets the advantage, no matter the class, really.) We are also important in Territory Wars - arguably the best Catapuller blasters you can get.

In summary: Don't believe this video. But don't believe all the scuttlebutt about Mages either. It's a hard class to play, especially on a PvP server, but ultimately rewarding. And it can be in high demand at times since there are so few of us XD

Ursa - Dreamweaver

private ( not necessary illegal servers) are not a benchmark.
There u can easily get >45% channeling, +12 wpn and gear, 4 sockets with +100pdef shards and demon books for all skills (demon = 150% pdef) and that's enough to wipe out everything. The mage power is controlled by the cast time, low HP and low pdef. The above refines just eliminates all of those setbacks so a well played wizz is scary.
On the official server you won't see something like that ...

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

while being weak solo, wizards in groups are excellent. try group pking/TW wizard+archer, wizard+cleric, wizard+veno or even wizard+bm. results are really impressive.

why?

because clerics have great seals but lack skill damage.
archers have great ranged damage on their own but at close range they're really inferior.
venos can only run once their pets are dead.
blademasters lack either damage or survivability.

what do wizards do for these classes, then?

wizards deal over 2x dmg/time with sutra, compared to clerics. and cleric seals are everything a wizard would ever ask for;

frostblade boosts archers' damage the most, glacial snare slows considerably, nearly all wizard spells are pure magic which is particularly valuable against rushing barbs (during sandstorm effect an archer is nearly invunerable to typical low dex barbs) and other sneaky wizards (though elemental shell is not very practical force of will is) so wizards' role teamed up with archers is to increase survivability through an offensive way clerics do not provide;

teamed up with venos, wizards make the most offensive group through easy tactics. the point is that venos' lending hand skill is exactly what wizards need to get easy sparks and keep firing their ultimates. so while the targets are busy trying desperately to get rid of the birds, wizards make sure they won't have enough time to kill the birds (mountain's seize) and then the deadly dragon shows up to finish the ramaining targets;

wizard curses (especially sandstorm and undine strike) are extremely valuable to blademasters because they increase survivability (let's say sandstorm makes an attacking archer miss a lot) and damage (most damage of BM ultimates is elemental), taking into consideration blademasters have the best melee AOE attacks (and let's not forget polearm ultimate decreases magic res nearly as much as undine strike) and wizards have the best ranged AOE attacks.

why not wiz+barb?

wizards and barbarians are perfect opposites. while wizards cannot provide protection to rushing barbs (elemental shell lasts only 4 seconds), barbarians are too slow (and too vulnerable to stuns) to provide enough protection to wizards.

Kristoph - Lost City

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why not wiz+barb?

wizards and barbarians are perfect opposites. while wizards cannot provide protection to rushing barbs (elemental shell lasts only 4 seconds), barbarians are too slow (and too vulnerable to stuns) to provide enough protection to wizards.

lolpve server


Depending on the barb you're with, they can be great help. Slow? They fly faster than most in Tiger form, you also don't have to worry about keeping them alive, and they're definately capable of hitting others hard. Yes, you'll be kiting while the barb kills, but it works if the barb doesn't suck. Also, HP buff = amazing.

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

Slow? They fly faster than most in Tiger form

Did you buy that character, speed buffs DO NOT affect flying speed.

Also believe it or not, we also have PvP on our servers.

Kristoph - Lost City

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

Did you buy that character, speed buffs DO NOT affect flying speed.

Also believe it or not, we also have PvP on our servers.

Speed buffs don't, Tiger Form does. Did you buy your character or are you ignorant?

Mizorie - Lost City

lost city PVP > Sanctuary PvP

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

lolpve server


Depending on the barb you're with, they can be great help. Slow? They fly faster than most in Tiger form, you also don't have to worry about keeping them alive, and they're definately capable of hitting others hard. Yes, you'll be kiting while the barb kills, but it works if the barb doesn't suck. Also, HP buff = amazing.

so I guess you always sutra+town portal when you see a cleric, even with your uber fast flying DD barb. great PvP strategy! congrats i am now your fan!

Kristoph - Lost City

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so I guess you always sutra+town portal when you see a cleric, even with your uber fast flying DD barb. great PvP strategy! congrats i am now your fan!

...are you dumb? I didn't even mention clerics or town portalling.

Cryxtal - Sanctuary

Yea he didnt even mention town portalling or clerics.

In any case here's my opinion, take it with a pinch of salt if u you want

Basically Wiz dont solo in my opinion, you can 1 v 1 in certain circumstances but i believe it voices down to luck? Cause whichever class who is just as experienced as a wiz, can **** a wiz. Even if u bring up Force of Will, Veno has that skill to reduce damge taken, within that time she will nuke you.

BMs will stun lock you, barbs basically can tank you? Archers can stun you, unless u get a FoW on them first ( 50% chance of winning perhaps ), clerics mmm...dont even mention them.

Conclusion ? We only do well in a group, assist assist assist. Undine whoever is targeted and nuke them, sutra if u want. But u should know that sutra requires 2 sparks.. So? get ur chi pills if u are really bent on **** in TW or whatsoever. Why u need chi pills? if somehow u sutra and someone silences u along e way, there goes ur sutra ! After which u need to eat chi pills to sutra again. If you dont want to sutra, just quit your squad and let another archer take over you ( Archer = higher DPS ) . You will only win in DPS with sutra & undine.

Well thats my opinion! Im not saying this is true for everyone, but at least for me.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

...are you dumb? I didn't even mention clerics or town portalling.

oh you didn't. i'm sorry...

so the pro PvP server guy would call his uber fast flying DD barb and then... IF a cleric pops up (have you ever seen one?) your bodyguard will get sealed before getting close (I assume your barb has less than 26.5m/s speed but it's so fast I could be wrong) and then you get sealed also (yes clerics can do that) and you'll be very dead while your barb will be as dangerous as a baby pet.

Mizorie - Lost City

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

oh you didn't. i'm sorry...

so the pro PvP server guy would call his uber fast flying DD barb and then... IF a cleric pops up (have you ever seen one?) your bodyguard will get sealed before getting close (I assume your barb has less than 26.5m/s speed but it's so fast I could be wrong) and then you get sealed also (yes clerics can do that) and you'll be very dead while your barb will be as dangerous as a baby pet.

If a cleric beats a Wizard and a barb at the same time, your doing it wrong.

Jrudora - Lost City

Against a cleric one on one, I really would sutra teleport my **** out of there.
It becomes a huge hiero **** fest, and thats really not what I'm looking forward to.

/endhonesty.

Cryxtal - Sanctuary

Even if u sutra teleport they can sleep u first within range ?

Jrudora - Lost City

I highly doubt there's a cleric out there around my level that can one hit me after they sleep me. They'd have to triple spark first. During that time, I'd just FoW, hit sutra and teleport my way out

Cryxtal - Sanctuary

mm i get what u mean. How about u get sleeped after u sutra, that means from then on ur sutra is on CD.

Kristoph - Lost City

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

oh you didn't. i'm sorry...

so the pro PvP server guy would call his uber fast flying DD barb and then... IF a cleric pops up (have you ever seen one?) your bodyguard will get sealed before getting close (I assume your barb has less than 26.5m/s speed but it's so fast I could be wrong) and then you get sealed also (yes clerics can do that) and you'll be very dead while your barb will be as dangerous as a baby pet.

lol so you're basically just butthurt by my pve server comment, k.


Anyway, I know your standards are probably pathetic, but on our server a cleric wouldn't be able to 1v2 a barb and wizard. There's no need for the wizard to kite if there's only one target, but hey, keep writing up theoretic battles, I'm sure every cleric has pro senses and will be able to stop any class from ever fighting them. Because hey, if a wizard and barb can't kill a cleric, who'd ever be able to 1v1 one, right? Idiot.

Hidden - Lost City

he called the fist wr one of the best pvp'rs his fought, enough said.

Forp - Heavens Tear

the speed from tiger form isn't added to your flight speed. all classes, no matter what they have as a base speed, are 5m/s + flight speed.

no class in this game clan fly more than 8m/s with our current flights

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

Let him dream forp, let him dream.

One person on sanc could theoretically fly over 11m/s with her Iron Phoenix accelerated up to 11+Genie flying buff.

And I suppose I could 'technically' fly 25m/s for one second using Shrink(Kinda pointless waste of chi though)

Kristoph - Lost City

I guess I got trolled ingame by HolyFang and his love for fuel, oh well.


Either way, barbs still aren't slow, my point stands.