Overpowerment in PWI

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  • U_got_sniped - Lost City
    U_got_sniped - Lost City Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    w00t grats shalimar you have reached page 7 and 62 replies in 5hoursb:cute

    +75 cool pointsb:victory
  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Um, Hate to break it to, you, Kittennice, but Taboo isn't hard. I beat the entire Subspace Emissary on Intense, and finished the final battle by turning him into a Trophy. With Yoshi.

    Lol, it's been so long. And I was using Jiggly Puff XD
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  • Eleckzar - Heavens Tear
    Eleckzar - Heavens Tear Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    This guy who made the thread clearly got no idea what he is reverse-QQing about >_>
    Wonder what on earth made him run to the forums and QQ about a topic thats been made like 100000times already since the herc/nixes came out in PWI...

    The people who are agreeing with his posts clearly got no experience playing other classes, in PvP/PKing or even....in PvEing o.0
    MMOs like this one are "Party Oriented" meaning every class got a role to play, be it in usual grinding, in dungeon instances or in PKing. Thats why buffing-up spells are spread out among each of the classes and you got a format of tank>healed by cleric>helped by DDs party pretty much everywhere.

    But you see the **** up with a veno is that, a high lvl venomancer with a hercules pet could very well play the role of an entire party, all by himself. All by himself.
    Or a veno with a phoenix could **** you with a flying chicken with just ONE bleed skill that messes up the balance in a Player VS Player instance. One skill.
    If thats NOT over-powered then I really dont know what is.

    Whats really funny is that its mostly only noobs from Sanctuary server that are going on and on about hercs/nixes not being overpowered. Guess you peeps havent seen a veno go solo some world bosses(not soul hunter and shadow doll) or seen a veno tank belial with her herc o.0

    Its NOT venomancers who are overpowered, its the hercules and phoenix pets that Make them overpowered. First get that under your numbskulls >_> If every class had a $200 Cash shop item that gave them +100%hp/+50%crit/+100%stun/+whatever depending on their class, then thats over powering. Same thing applies for the $200 cash shop item that gives a veno a ubertank/haxDD as a pet.

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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lol, it's been so long. And I was using Jiggly Puff XD

    Man. Jigglypuff is so OP. I use her every time someone plays Ike. Grabs, and rollout, as well as her aerial abilities make it no contest...
  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    he means herc tanking belial, and yes, herc can tank belial, PM Ylime ( a good friend of mine <3 emily) and ask her, maybe she even has SS, she has done a full veno belial run.
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Man. Jigglypuff is so OP. I use her every time someone plays Ike. Grabs, and rollout, as well as her aerial abilities make it no contest...

    Jiggly puff isn't Op. b:surrenderI was stupid to think I could put Taboo to sleep and he smacked me and I died XD

    I miss ROY!!!! b:cry
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lol, they just got into fights with a player that can use their character well.

    I haven't pvped but it goes around in pve too.

    Some people are just dumb, you must realize this.

    1st! Not every veno has a Herc/Nix

    2nd! They fail at killing them when it is quite easy to get to the veno. You aren't a monster, you can easily target the veno and kill. :O And guess what? The pet stops attacking you because the master is dead. @_@ Amazing..
    (You don't have to duel to figure that tactic out -_-' Sadly, there are those that never caught on to that strategy.)

    3rd! So what about the Fleash thingy? If you put more on vitality or use citrine shards, you'd live longer to take the nix out. b:bye I haz done it in duels.b:bye (With no pet. Just me! *points to siggy*)

    4th! If you think a class is overpowered, you fail. I can see if they are like Taboo on Hard mode in SuperSmashBrosBrawl then ya that is OP. But even he has a flaw. You just need to learn how to play ;P

    If you don't have pvp experience why do you think you should post in this thread? The reason why people complain about nix is because the bleed does not suffer pvp damage reduction. Nix / herc is standard gear on 90+ venos.
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    he means herc tanking belial, and yes, herc can tank belial, PM Ylime ( a good friend of mine <3 emily) and ask her, maybe she even has SS, she has done a full veno belial run.

    Hercs, and Nixes are OP. Only an idiot would argue this. We need something similar for the other classes. I'm in full agreement with this, as is, I think, quite a few good people. However, in the case of PvP, Nixes, while uberpowerful, are not the be all, and end all people seem to think they are. I dove headfirst into a Sage Veno's Nix, and spells yesterday, and even 13 levels lower than them, managed to get them down to about a third of their life. If I was equal level, I probably would have won. And my battle partner was a Magmite. It all depends on what you do. In my case, it was to pop my Wood Immunity Genie Skill, and smack the Veno with Extreme poison. It's a crappy deal we have involving those stupid pets, but there are workarounds...

    Also, Kitten? Jiggly is my 3rd best charcter. Right after Yoshi, and Lucas. You need tactics to use her. Very, very good ones.
  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If you don't have pvp experience why do you think you should post in this thread? The reason why people complain about nix is because the bleed does not suffer pvp damage reduction. Nix / herc is standard gear on 90+ venos.

    <.< *Looks at "Sanctuary near your name"* Mmkay.b:pleased
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hercs, and Nixes are OP. Only an idiot would argue this. We need something similar for the other classes. I'm in full agreement with this, as is, I think, quite a few good people. However, in the case of PvP, Nixes, while uberpowerful, are not the be all, and end all people seem to think they are. I dove headfirst into a Sage Veno's Nix, and spells yesterday, and even 13 levels lower than them, managed to get them down to about a third of their life. If I was equal level, I probably would have won. And my battle partner was a Magmite. It all depends on what you do. In my case, it was to pop my Wood Immunity Genie Skill, and smack the Veno with Extreme poison. It's a crappy deal we have involving those stupid pets, but there are workarounds...

    Ya, that's what I was getting at. It's pets not the class.
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=656132
  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    <.< *Looks at "Sanctuary near your name"* Mmkay.b:pleased

    i play in a PvE server also, doesnt mean we dont have PK expierence.
    Less QQ more Pew Pewb:thanks

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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Also, Kitten? Jiggly is my 3rd best charcter. Right after Yoshi, and Lucas. You need tactics to use her. Very, very good ones.

    Lol, Jiggly Puff I can't work too well with. It's my fault for not practicing on the other games. I always went to Roy or Fox lolz.
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=656132
  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lol, Jiggly Puff I can't work too well with. It's my fault for not practicing on the other games. I always went to Roy or Fox lolz.

    enough with super smash bros, please, on topic before a mod closes this thread b:chuckle
    Less QQ more Pew Pewb:thanks

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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    enough with super smash bros, please, on topic before a mod closes this thread b:chuckle

    It needs to be closed. No one is getting anywhere <.<
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=656132
  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    its upping my post count, so please, get on topic >:
    Less QQ more Pew Pewb:thanks

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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lol, Jiggly Puff I can't work too well with. It's my fault for not practicing on the other games. I always went to Roy or Fox lolz.

    It's just like this game. You gotta play every character before you truly understand the strengths and weaknesses. Something tells me that most of the posters here, myself included, haven't leveled all 6 classes past say... 25? I've gone a bit extreme myself, and have tried some weird builds for sheer testing's sake, HA Cleric, AA Barb... LA BM... Just to figure out what goes on. Hell, my main, Isala, I'm playing as an EVA tank... Research, research, research. That's what helps you learn.
  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    its upping my post count, so please, get on topic >:

    <.< You are posting on the same topic in a different forum, dude.
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=656132
  • _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary
    _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    im only going to argue these 2 points, because its opinionated and circumstancial on the other posts.


    2) gl one - two shotting a barbarian with 25k hp. (endgame, highest hp barb on our server is at 20k hp with +6 ish gears)

    3) if you read my post, i said, heavens flame + myriad sword stance with a crit, zerk, or both.

    A WB will die fast if a Hell MG attacks them with surprise. Start with Manifest Virtue to spike the magic attack. Hell Black Ice Dragon Strike or even a decently leveled normal one will tick the charm. Use Undine Strike next, inflicting damage and killing the already horrible magic defense. Elemental Invocation then puts the WB in a coffin.

    As for the WR, that requires luck, as well as 4 sparks. For that, you have 2 options. 1 is to cast one skill, use a normal attack, and use the other. The other option is to use spark potions. But then again, what is stopping any other class from doing a similar combo? I am willing to bet money the damage a WR could do that way will easily be trumped by another class using dual-spark moves.
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  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A WB will die fast if a Hell MG attacks them with surprise. Start with Manifest Virtue to spike the magic attack. Hell Black Ice Dragon Strike or even a decently leveled normal one will tick the charm. Use Undine Strike next, inflicting damage and killing the already horrible magic defense. Elemental Invocation then puts the WB in a coffin.

    only arguing this point, because once again, other is conditional.

    1) yes, a barb is going to sit there and let this all happen

    only thing you have to do it click Solid Shield on your genie skill.
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  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    He has already showed proof he sucks. That situation would also be immensely lucky. However, a WF is not weak. Begin in Fox form, cast Purge, Stunning Blow, then use either Fox Wallop and Malefic Crush if against a robe, or switch to normal form, Lucky Scarab, Parasitic Nova, Ironwood Scarab, and whatever else you want for a melee or light armor. During this entire skillchain, the pet will be attacking as well.


    That is if the said veno lives long enough to get all those out and cast.
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    dont believe me? pm Ylime, she was the one who hit me for 21k. not a lucky crit either, she just knows how a very effective build. crappy armour? not really. 3.1k mdef.


    dont get me wrong, only CLASS that i believe is overpowered, AS A CLASS is a barb. venos arent op, nixes arent op, bleed is,because its bugged.

    Read what the hell I wrote before saying anymore please. Yes against a caster class 3.1k mag defense is crappy.

    Like I said there are some very specific circumstances for that to have happened. However I will not give away secrets. But to give you an idea and a oh shiznit moment I can go get 14k mag defense rather easily when I want it though it might take me a little to get lucky to get it.
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It's just like this game. You gotta play every character before you truly understand the strengths and weaknesses. Something tells me that most of the posters here, myself included, haven't leveled all 6 classes past say... 25? I've gone a bit extreme myself, and have tried some weird builds for sheer testing's sake, HA Cleric, AA Barb... LA BM... Just to figure out what goes on. Hell, my main, Isala, I'm playing as an EVA tank... Research, research, research. That's what helps you learn.

    Yep^^. If you play as them all then you will see differently. I have tried and only got a blademaster to 30 I believe. I started a cleric, wiz, archer, and barb.

    I already know my blademaster is weak against magic. So... to help the weakness you give him those magic def shards. Like I do with my veno since shes full heavy build with axes and all^^. It's good to cover bases.

    As for SSBB, my worse characters are Jiggly, Game&Watch, Wolf (He has bad recovery eh), and Rob the Robot (What were they thinking?)

    But with practice, I at least beat Taboob:pleased

    But against another player, I pick StarFox all the way but other times I use Ike (I still miss Roy :'( ). I have learned how to work with his recovery rather well. ^^
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=656132
  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That is if the said veno lives long enough to get all those out and cast.



    Read what the hell I wrote before saying anymore please. Yes against a caster class 3.1k mag defense is crappy.

    Like I said there are some very specific circumstances for that to have happened. However I will not give away secrets. But to give you an idea and a oh shiznit moment I can go get 14k mag defense rather easily when I want it though it might take me a little to get lucky to get it.

    for a barb under 90 with **** equips, 3.1k universal mdef is quite a bit, and i know the circumstances well, trust me.
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  • _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary
    _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    only arguing this point, because once again, other is conditional.

    1) yes, a barb is going to sit there and let this all happen

    only thing you have to do it click Solid Shield on your genie skill.

    For the start, that is why I said surprise the barb. Also, the entire MG combo takes seconds. At max range and surprising, the WB does not have enough time to reach the MG. And as for Shell, there are counters to it. What people don't understand is that there is a counter for EVERY skill. I am not saying that WB always beats MG or vise versa. I am saying that it is possible for either to win, depending on what they do.
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  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    For the start, that is why I said surprise the barb. Also, the entire MG combo takes seconds. At max range and surprising, the WB does not have enough time to reach the MG. And as for Shell, there are counters to it. What people don't understand is that there is a counter for EVERY skill. I am not saying that WB always beats MG or vise versa. I am saying that it is possible for either to win, depending on what they do.

    only class (that i know of) that can counter SS is veno, with purge. fyi, purge no longer works on invoke ^^
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  • _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary
    _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    only class (that i know of) that can counter SS is veno, with purge. fyi, purge no longer works on invoke ^^

    You don't have to cancel a skill to counter it, just make it's effect null.
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  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    _Shalimar_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You don't have to cancel a skill to counter it, just make it's effect null.

    explain to me how you do this with Solid Shield
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Doesn't one of the genie starter skills purge buffs, as well?
  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    dont think so, although i may be mistaken, actually there might be a skill that does that, but isnt it liek 25% chance of working?
    Less QQ more Pew Pewb:thanks

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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    So... much crying I think I'm in daycareb:cute
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=656132
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    dont think so, although i may be mistaken, actually there might be a skill that does that, but isnt it liek 25% chance of working?

    Not sure, but if it does work... You know?

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