Is the Cleric worthless in PKing?
$lyHealer - Harshlands
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When i say worthless i mean if the Cleric can actually kill somebody at any lvl?
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Yes they can, but you need to use all your skills available to you not just spam plume shot. Use your plume shield for your survivability. Sleep their **** to stop em dead so you can double spark and then wield thunder their ****. Then again you can spam your plume shot and razor feathers for those robed classes. Best thing for you to do is check the class guide for a decent build and also the pk section to see what veterans have to say about the pk world[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Far from worthless, just build up experience vs each class and youll be fine.b:dirty0
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$lyHealer - Harshlands wrote: »When i say worthless i mean if the Cleric can actually kill somebody at any lvl?
I really wouldn't worry about it atm just build your char up and learn it.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
b:cute tripple spark -->razor ---> b:bye robe mages0
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double spark -> tempest -> x6 -> bye bye everything b:laughb:pleasedb:dirty0
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Triple Spark -> Elemental Seal -> Chi Pot -> Tempest -> Chromatic Seal -> Wield Thunder -> Great Cyclone
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from a noob point of view
vs wizard===> sleep, spark, dimensional seal (lower phy def), purify yourself, plume shot 3 times, if wizard doesnt die, wellspring and ironheart on yourself till your sleep cooldown while wiz is hitting u, u can squeeze in a couple of plume shot in between. ( easiest of all classes )
vs veno with nix => dun bother u will die
vs veno without nix, but with herc, ==> sleep veno, plume shell to defend against herc, spark, dimensional seal, purfiy yourself, plume shot the hell out of an arcane veno, use weld thunder + cyclone if its a heavy veno. Light amoured veno just combo.
vs archers ===> if archer wind shield, and try to stun u, spark first, spark will cancel the stun, use cyclone to destroy the shield, then sleep, move in close to them, spark, seals, plume shell and hit with combos. ( u need to kill them in 3 shots, if not normally u will die. )
vs barb ===> sleep, elemental seal, plume shell, spark and use all magic damage. try to kite as much as possible and use all magical attacks on them. if u can get a 2nd sleep on them, u pretty much win.
vs bm ===> spark when they roar, it will cancel the stun. ( hard to do it, havent actually done it before ) elemental seals, plume shell and if they alter marrow, just hit them with the other types of attack. kite them and hit from a distance.
basically is not just abt the method, u really need alot of practise in order to get ur instincts right. if u do it correctly, a cleric should be able to give any class of ur level a decent fight.0 -
Semajoey - Heavens Tear wrote: »from a noob point of view
vs wizard===> sleep, spark, dimensional seal (lower phy def), purify yourself, plume shot 3 times, if wizard doesnt die, wellspring and ironheart on yourself till your sleep cooldown while wiz is hitting u, u can squeeze in a couple of plume shot in between. ( easiest of all classes )
vs veno with nix => dun bother u will die
vs Veno with Nix (ZephyrX style). Sleep the Nix, Spark + Tempest/Wield Thunder (whatever hurts like hell) -> Cyclone (if not Arcane) -> Plume Shot (if not LA/ Heavy Build). When Nix comes out of Sleep, Chi Pot + Spark (invincible from Flesh Ream... predict it noob). Proceed to go Rambo and kill that dam Veno. If you gots a genie, stun/sleep/ice.. do whatever to stop the Nix after it comes out of sleep
vs veno without nix, but with herc, ==> sleep veno, plume shell to defend against herc, spark, dimensional seal, purfiy yourself, plume shot the hell out of an arcane veno, use weld thunder + cyclone if its a heavy veno. Light amoured veno just combo.
vs archers ===> if archer wind shield, and try to stun u, spark first, spark will cancel the stun, use cyclone to destroy the shield, then sleep, move in close to them, spark, seals, plume shell and hit with combos. ( u need to kill them in 3 shots, if not normally u will die. )
vs barb ===> sleep, elemental seal, plume shell, spark and use all magic damage. try to kite as much as possible and use all magical attacks on them. if u can get a 2nd sleep on them, u pretty much win.
vs bm ===> spark when they roar, it will cancel the stun. ( hard to do it, havent actually done it before ) elemental seals, plume shell and if they alter marrow, just hit them with the other types of attack. kite them and hit from a distance.
basically is not just abt the method, u really need alot of practise in order to get ur instincts right. if u do it correctly, a cleric should be able to give any class of ur level a decent fight.
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Or simply go to SP, and watch high lv cleric in action ;pb:dirty0
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semajoey wrote:vs wizard===> sleep, spark, dimensional seal (lower phy def), purify yourself, plume shot 3 times, if wizard doesnt die, wellspring and ironheart on yourself till your sleep cooldown while wiz is hitting u, u can squeeze in a couple of plume shot in between. ( easiest of all classes )
vs veno with nix => dun bother u will die
vs veno without nix, but with herc, ==> sleep veno, plume shell to defend against herc, spark, dimensional seal, purfiy yourself, plume shot the hell out of an arcane veno, use weld thunder + cyclone if its a heavy veno. Light amoured veno just combo.
vs archers ===> if archer wind shield, and try to stun u, spark first, spark will cancel the stun, use cyclone to destroy the shield, then sleep, move in close to them, spark, seals, plume shell and hit with combos. ( u need to kill them in 3 shots, if not normally u will die. )
vs barb ===> sleep, elemental seal, plume shell, spark and use all magic damage. try to kite as much as possible and use all magical attacks on them. if u can get a 2nd sleep on them, u pretty much win.
vs bm ===> spark when they roar, it will cancel the stun. ( hard to do it, havent actually done it before ) elemental seals, plume shell and if they alter marrow, just hit them with the other types of attack. kite them and hit from a distance.
basically is not just abt the method, u really need alot of practise in order to get ur instincts right. if u do it correctly, a cleric should be able to give any class of ur level a decent fight.
OP asked about PK, not duels with charms alot of what you said will be impossible to do.
Wizard is: Guardian light > Tripple spark > plume > chromatic > razor
Veno: they bramblehood, use flesh ream its over dw about it.
Archers: too easy, wait for them use stunning arrow, spark resist and charge. Plume shell makes you godly to em lol.
barb: all you will do is tick charm.
BM: Plume shell, cyclone > sirens kiss > cyclone > chromatic > elemental seal > tempest.
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lol @ Mysticlifex, yeah all of that works what you said..............in a duel with a newcomer to PvPing.
Pking is a different story, and you need to adapt almost every time...so there is no fix "to do" listb:dirty0 -
Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »OP asked about PK, not duels with charms alot of what you said will be impossible to do.
Wizard is: Guardian light > Tripple spark > plume > chromatic > razor
Veno: they bramblehood, use flesh ream its over dw about it.
Archers: too easy, wait for them use stunning arrow, spark resist and charge. Plume shell makes you godly to em lol.
barb: all you will do is tick charm.
BM: Plume shell, cyclone > sirens kiss > cyclone > chromatic > elemental seal > tempest.
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Bramblehood doesn't work in PK and a barb doesn't just tick their charm. Use thunderball (yes thunderball) and any mag skills to tick them, then you have 10 seconds to get their health down. They may have high HP but magic kills them. Don't forget elemental seal~Almost original Tao member~
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The -70% damage taken for 15 seconds would still work in PK, the reflect wouldnt have any effect on cleric anyway.We're MysticAve my name is not Dave
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If barb is high lvl and has high hp it can be close to impossible to kill them 1v1. EP's just dont really have the dps to bring their hp to zero during heiro cooldown time.
Vs veno's normal method is to sleep nix then kill veno. I sometimes find that kinda fiddly because u have to use a few different skills etc and also a target switch.
I think i prefer killing the nix first now. Sleep nix- spark, kill it (use blood clot a few sec after spark)- then veno is defenceless. Its actually kinda easy to tank veno whilst your killing nix- most are LA so attacks dont hurt that much.
I gonna use this more frequently because veno's dont expect this tactic much so get caught out.0 -
Most of you are delusional. Unless you crit a sparked tempest you will never kill a barb. (Unless they are uncharmed).
You will NEVER kill a veno with a phoenix unless you 1-shot them when they aren't looking. Don't give me all this BS about sleeping the nix and killing the veno. Sleep lasts about 2 seconds on phoenixes. 4 if you're lucky. No you can't just spark their bleed and nuke the veno. Even without the bleed, the phoenix hits for like 800 per sec, meaning you die in 3 seconds.
In general, clerics are useless in PK. Their job is to survive until someone else can kill the enemy. Unless if its a nix, then your job is to run to SZ. Sure if you are pure mag (worthless until 90) and use chi pots, potions, and magic attack charms, then yes, you can kill some people.0 -
sounds like you rushed to a high level and didn't learn to play.0
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Tryagain is correct, EPs cannot kill heiro'ed werebeasts... The only possible way is to get them to 50%, sleep/debuff, then crit a tempest.
Venos with nixes... usually I sleep the veno then kill the nix. It really is the best choice, since the nix won't hit you more than 200 in plume shell, and bleed only hits 1.7k~ a tick. 1.7k won't kill your 6k~ hp, right? If the sleep wears off, you're ****ed. 1 Pet heal, followed by a purge/amp = run.
If you don't fight venos this way you'll most likely get purged out of your plume shell/buffs and the phoenix will hit you for 1k per peck. You could try something pimp like triple fury while theyre debuffing to resist it :P
EPs are a terrible 1 vs 1 class, but an amazing 1 vs 2 class. EP 1 vs 2 capability is arguably second only to that of WBs. Since we have a sleep and a seal we can effectively make 1 vs 2 fights into 1 vs 1. Personally, my damage lacks. I have the hp to tank anyone though, so I really only DD when asked to spike a target. Otherwise im sleeping, debuffing, or healing.
Get familiar with those 3 skills, since thats what an EP does in TW.0 -
that's not why i said what i did. he said you can never kill a veno with a phoenix. that we're useless in pk in general.
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Clerics are not useless....they're useless in 1v1 PK. That is not what a cleric is meant to do.
Why did I roll a cleric? Well besides the fact that they are the most needed class and I can basically get into any FB or HH group I want at any time, and are also extremely important in TW...I'm not sure. I'm not playing this game to 1v1 PK, I'm playing it for the TWs.
And a cleric + anything other than a second cleric is amazing for PKing.
As for Sorbik's post...your views are going to be a little skewed from the rest of ours because you are 90+. I'm sure everything you're saying is accurate, but pre-90...you can't survive nixes. That 1.7k bleed tick will kill you in 2 seconds flat because we don't have 6k health to work with yet.0 -
Try again Forp. Looks like another baseless argument.0
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Sorbik - Lost City wrote: »Tryagain is correct, EPs cannot kill heiro'ed werebeasts... The only possible way is to get them to 50%, sleep/debuff, then crit a tempest.
Venos with nixes... usually I sleep the veno then kill the nix. It really is the best choice, since the nix won't hit you more than 200 in plume shell, and bleed only hits 1.7k~ a tick. 1.7k won't kill your 6k~ hp, right? If the sleep wears off, you're ****ed. 1 Pet heal, followed by a purge/amp = run.
If you don't fight venos this way you'll most likely get purged out of your plume shell/buffs and the phoenix will hit you for 1k per peck. You could try something pimp like triple fury while theyre debuffing to resist it :P
EPs are a terrible 1 vs 1 class, but an amazing 1 vs 2 class. EP 1 vs 2 capability is arguably second only to that of WBs. Since we have a sleep and a seal we can effectively make 1 vs 2 fights into 1 vs 1. Personally, my damage lacks. I have the hp to tank anyone though, so I really only DD when asked to spike a target. Otherwise im sleeping, debuffing, or healing.
Get familiar with those 3 skills, since thats what an EP does in TW.
Yay Sorbik we both kill nix first! Pro!! *high fives* b:victory
I disagree tho- EP can 1v1 effectively against most classes. Depends alot on which kind of build u have. Only barbs are a problem- lol tho today loveME 1shot BigBoss with triple spark- crit! O_O!0 -
Tryagain - Harshlands wrote: »Clerics are not useless....they're useless in 1v1 PK. That is not what a cleric is meant to do.
Why did I roll a cleric? Well besides the fact that they are the most needed class and I can basically get into any FB or HH group I want at any time, and are also extremely important in TW...I'm not sure. I'm not playing this game to 1v1 PK, I'm playing it for the TWs.
And a cleric + anything other than a second cleric is amazing for PKing.
As for Sorbik's post...your views are going to be a little skewed from the rest of ours because you are 90+. I'm sure everything you're saying is accurate, but pre-90...you can't survive nixes. That 1.7k bleed tick will kill you in 2 seconds flat because we don't have 6k health to work with yet.
any class+any class is pretty amazing for just about anything. that includes cleric+cleric.0 -
Tryagain - Harshlands wrote: »As for Sorbik's post...your views are going to be a little skewed from the rest of ours because you are 90+. I'm sure everything you're saying is accurate, but pre-90...you can't survive nixes. That 1.7k bleed tick will kill you in 2 seconds flat because we don't have 6k health to work with yet.
i have 5.2k hp buffed.
sleep veno > plume shell > purify > ironheart > kill bird > then veno
my sleep is level 9, it usually(very rare for it to break now) holds out the full duration of the killing of the bird.
it usually hits 160-220 after shell.0 -
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »i have 5.2k hp buffed.
sleep phoenix > plume shell > purify > ironheart > kill bird > then veno
my sleep is level 9, it usually(very rare for it to break now) holds out the full duration of the killing of the bird.
it usually hits 160-220 after shell.
I think you mean sleep veno? o.O
And tryagain you're right. HH90 sets give you a LOT more hp because people generally refine them more, and they have amazing +hp and +con mods.
At 89, full con I had 4.5k hp. Now, when I get my sky demon's pearl I'll have 6.5k. This is unbuffed.0 -
yeah, i mean sleep the veno lol.0
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Sorbik - Lost City wrote: »At 89, full con I had 4.5k hp. Now, when I get my sky demon's pearl I'll have 6.5k. This is unbuffed.
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Forp...you must have some failures for venos on your server.
Here is what happens, veno appears on minimap. Phoenix stuns you before you can even cast plume shell because they fly at 90m/s. You die before stun ends.
I have 4.6k health buffed right now. If I had 5.2k like you, I'd probably live til the stun ended, but die before purify went off.0 -
aside from zoe, we have some pretty decent venos on this server. and, you can zoom your map out if they get to you that fast. it helps a lot.0
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Semajoey - Heavens Tear wrote: »from a noob point of view
vs wizard===> sleep, spark, dimensional seal (lower phy def), purify yourself, plume shot 3 times, if wizard doesnt die, wellspring and ironheart on yourself till your sleep cooldown while wiz is hitting u, u can squeeze in a couple of plume shot in between. ( easiest of all classes )
vs veno with nix => dun bother u will die
vs veno without nix, but with herc, ==> sleep veno, plume shell to defend against herc, spark, dimensional seal, purfiy yourself, plume shot the hell out of an arcane veno, use weld thunder + cyclone if its a heavy veno. Light amoured veno just combo.
vs archers ===> if archer wind shield, and try to stun u, spark first, spark will cancel the stun, use cyclone to destroy the shield, then sleep, move in close to them, spark, seals, plume shell and hit with combos. ( u need to kill them in 3 shots, if not normally u will die. )
vs barb ===> sleep, elemental seal, plume shell, spark and use all magic damage. try to kite as much as possible and use all magical attacks on them. if u can get a 2nd sleep on them, u pretty much win.
vs bm ===> spark when they roar, it will cancel the stun. ( hard to do it, havent actually done it before ) elemental seals, plume shell and if they alter marrow, just hit them with the other types of attack. kite them and hit from a distance.
basically is not just abt the method, u really need alot of practise in order to get ur instincts right. if u do it correctly, a cleric should be able to give any class of ur level a decent fight.
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Tryagain - Harshlands wrote: »Forp...you must have some failures for venos on your server.
Here is what happens, veno appears on minimap. Phoenix stuns you before you can even cast plume shell because they fly at 90m/s. You die before stun ends.
I have 4.6k health buffed right now. If I had 5.2k like you, I'd probably live til the stun ended, but die before purify went off.
Genie skills work wonders for 1 they work while stunned or in bubble and theres a resist bleed skill. resist stun skill, resist sleep even and also a cancel bleed with a 92% chance on my cleric
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