Wizard vs Blademaster.?

Wuluvas - Heavens Tear

Hi, iv leveled bolth a wizard and a blademaster to 30 like some people suggested and i still dont know what character i should be, what char is better in later on levels? any suggestions of wich one i should be?

missqq

If you mean later like 90+ then wizard.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Wuluvas - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hi, iv leveled bolth a wizard and a blademaster to 30 like some people suggested and i still dont know what character i should be, what char is better in later on levels? any suggestions of wich one i should be?

Strange question for a Wizard forum, you should make such questions in general discasion.
Anyways BMs and Wizards are like day and night, there's not a single similarity between the two, one is pure melee the other is pure magic, one is mainly tank the other is mainly DD, one is close combat the other is ranged. It's absolutely up to you. Wich one do you prefer? BMs tend to be better in almost all lvls (like all other classes after all) than Wizards, while at the end they are all balanced.

The choice is purely up to the player and they way he/she likes to play his/her char.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

both are good. blademasters require more planning in terms of build (add vit? how much dex?) and weapon because you lack spirit to follow all 4 skill paths. wizards don't require such planning (builds are easy and there's not much to mess with skill upgrades) but in battle you need to build skill sequences carefully.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

BMs tend to be better in almost all lvls (like all other classes after all) than Wizards, while at the end they are all balanced.

yeah...tell that to the BMs, barbs and especially clerics that got 2-3 shoted (clerics were the easyest - gush->SS ) in the TW on Saturday. I'll stick with my PvP underpowered and gimped Wizz, lol. About 10 lvls ago I was meat and potato for everyone in TW. Everything changed at 60, and it's getting more serious as I lvl up.
On 1-1 duel I still suck, but I don't even care. I dueled 3 times from lvl 1 to 66 and I'm planning to keep that ratio going fwd until at least lvl 90.
In PvE I can grind damn fast if I choose mobs with weakness on my strength and the swamp is just full of them. At 3 shot/kill I tell u, things are moving.
In TW I have my squishy **** covered and buffed and that's where I make the biggest mess. Cata-pullers and BMs nightmares comming true. If I have chi ( chi pots are a must in TW) I'm a huge pain in the rear no matter if I attk or defend.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

so Ursa,

You're teling me you can 2 hit a cleric? with gush and SS? don't dueling level 40 clerics please?

You suck on 1 v 1 duels, then you fail as a wizard, DS > FoW > Sutra > Spam usually kills a BM.

You grind fast in PvE? you can't AoE grind like a cleric or BM, Barb nor veno and you think you grind fast? a BM would not let you tag along AoE grinding.

ursa, stop making yourself look good stop lying to noobs and damit stop lying to yourself.

Reply to this thread,

BM > Wizard if they are smart.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

do u read what I wrote or just take a look at a few words and post after?

Yeah I 2 shot a cleric, dunno the lvl and didn't happened only once. does "TW" has any meaning to you? And duels? I don't give a **** about duels. Waste of time. PK and TW is where no one can be prepared for what's commin' and high dmg output and suprise are the best wizz allies.

And yeah, I grind fast if I choose the mobs unsing my brain and not "yay, shiny, me want too". I've seen enough barbs and BMs in swamp grinding, and payed attention to the kill rate. I was on par or higher. As for zhen, that's a different story. I can't beat an archer's distance AoE and can't compare with venos with legendary pets, but we have our tricks ( all 3 ultimates are doing AoE dmg if well placed), so it's not that bad.

I never said wizz isn't weak at lower lvls, but it changes quick once u get on high lvl. At that point the player behind the char makes the difference. I guess judging by the way you argue/insult others, there's a big chance u will be failing at high lvls.

Kannone - Heavens Tear

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so Ursa,

You're teling me you can 2 hit a cleric? with gush and SS? don't dueling level 40 clerics please?

You suck on 1 v 1 duels, then you fail as a wizard, DS > FoW > Sutra > Spam usually kills a BM.

You grind fast in PvE? you can't AoE grind like a cleric or BM, Barb nor veno and you think you grind fast? a BM would not let you tag along AoE grinding.

ursa, stop making yourself look good stop lying to noobs and damit stop lying to yourself.

Reply to this thread,

BM > Wizard if they are smart.

O_o that was mean...

Anyways, in duels BM > Wiz every time because BMs have that dash move to catch up to our distance shrink, and once they get within range to stun it's pretty much over.

Everywhere else though (PvP), Wiz > BM. If the Wiz has a distance advantage at the outset of the fight then they should always win.

WitchBurner - Sanctuary

My SS can hit a good 1.6k on a cleric my level, a hybrid mag/vit one anyway. Gush is pretty low damage but can reach 1k on LA clerics.

BMs get an obvious advantage in cloud sprint, which they all seem to have maxed(for the Debuff removal thing) at my level. Fighting Air to Ground I can still hit 1k+with stone rain. Sure my Defence is crappy but as long as don't take too many hits I'm good.

@Mikel_Oru, yes we grind fast in PvE, with my sparks mobs take 2-3 hits to go down, also no aoe grinding?, we can zhen dumbass.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

O_o that was mean...

Anyways, in duels BM > Wiz every time because BMs have that dash move to catch up to our distance shrink, and once they get within range to stun it's pretty much over.

Everywhere else though (PvP), Wiz > BM. If the Wiz has a distance advantage at the outset of the fight then they should always win.

Well with people like Ursa you have to be, I seen BM and Barbs AoE grinding 15-20 mobs at once and Ursa is comaring to them.. come on man?

She thinks she can 2 shot a cleric at level 66, like w/e bro b:victory

I don't even read Ursa's posts anymore just makes my IQ drop when I do.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I never said wizz isn't weak at lower lvls, but it changes quick once u get on high lvl. At that point the player behind the char makes the difference. I guess judging by the way you argue/insult others, there's a big chance u will be failing at high lvls.

Errr, you repeat myself and at the same time you erase your own post.

Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »

@Mikel_Oru, yes we grind fast in PvE, with my sparks mobs take 2-3 hits to go down, also no aoe grinding?, we can zhen dumbass.

Instead of beeing pathetic enough to throw insults via a forum, why don't you remnd me where I mentioned PvE? and even if I did so (my memorry is a bit fuzzy) PvE is not just everyday's quests killng single mobs, it's also fbs, TTs, bosses etc. who is more usefull in those situations? a DD or a tank? (that can do a pretty nice sum of damage anyways)

Cheaper - Heavens Tear

It's really up to you, if you like Magical ranged damage or up close Physical melee damage(some short range skills).

Both of these are good, it just depends how you like playing. Charging into a group of enemies or killing from a distance.



ps. In duel it feels like a wizard is overpowered but I duel a lot. It's very different from simple pk, duels take some skill(no hp charm). Done both enough and duels are my favorite.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well with people like Ursa you have to be, I seen BM and Barbs AoE grinding 15-20 mobs at once and Ursa is comaring to them.. come on man?

She thinks she can 2 shot a cleric at level 66, like w/e bro b:victory

I don't even read Ursa's posts anymore just makes my IQ drop when I do.

ok, now I wanted to be polite but you're just too damn stupid for that.
AoE grind on 15-20 mobs of their lvl? And how much time it takes to stun/kill them? about the time it takes me to do the same thing, just 1 by 1. I dont have to run to gather all of them together, I can just pick them 1 by 1. Wonder why all zhen/rebirth squads are taking wizz/archers as DD and not BM/Barbs. Probably because a BM/Barb can kill faster and that would be an optimal use of charms/pots.

I don't think I can 2 shot a cleric, I know. And did it in TW last Saturday. I don't say things just for the sake of seing my avatar around here. I didn't check the players I killed to see gears or guess a lvl, but the faction we went against is quite respectable and holds a good chunk of land.

And yeah, don't read reply to my posts anymore, if your IQ drops even with 1 more point will get in to negative values range.

missqq

Mystic, seriously, just stop posting to prevent yourself from further embarrassment. WIZARDS CAN ZHEN OKAY?

AndromedaB - Sanctuary

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ok, now I wanted to be polite but you're just too damn stupid for that.
AoE grind on 15-20 mobs of their lvl? And how much time it takes to stun/kill them? about the time it takes me to do the same thing, just 1 by 1. I dont have to run to gather all of them together, I can just pick them 1 by 1. Wonder why all zhen/rebirth squads are taking wizz/archers as DD and not BM/Barbs. Probably because a BM/Barb can kill faster and that would be an optimal use of charms/pots.

I don't think I can 2 shot a cleric, I know. And did it in TW last Saturday. I don't say things just for the sake of seing my avatar around here. I didn't check the players I killed to see gears or guess a lvl, but the faction we went against is quite respectable and holds a good chunk of land.

And yeah, don't read reply to my posts anymore, if your IQ drops even with 1 more point will get in to negative values range.

they actually can get about a good 200k/h (each) if they have 1 cleric/2bms
and because of their aoe skills they kill faster, 2 bms w/ aoe skills can kill about 40 mobs together, the time it takes two of them to take 30 is jsut a little more over 1min, as a wizard you can kill them in about 20-30 seconds EACH, and it takes them about 20-40 seconds to collect the mobs
so in fact they do kill much much faster while aoe grinding,
they do alot more total damage but single damage is low which is why zhen/RB gama wiz/archer are main DD and bms are secondary aggro/dd

and infact it is near impossible to 2 shot a cleric your own level because even sandstorm only does about 800 damage, without debuffs
WITH full buffs aswell as charm, a wizard can never win a cleric unless u lower their hp to just over half and sandstorm/glacial them OR (for the non ****[fac= retarted] clerics tempest them

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

i restated to LA
i was able to take on those bloodthirsty hexwebs (i think that was their name) and the scropions on the island south eastish of misfortune. they were hitting this barb so i ran in and aoe them (the barb was from a faction we made a alliance with) i had 5 scorpions and 3 of the hexwebs on me and i took them all out by myself. the barb thought i **** the game but i said nope im just LA b:pleased

missqq

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i restated to LA
i was able to take on those bloodthirsty hexwebs (i think that was their name) and the scropions on the island south eastish of misfortune. they were hitting this barb so i ran in and aoe them (the barb was from a faction we made a alliance with) i had 5 scorpions and 3 of the hexwebs on me and i took them all out by myself. the barb thought i **** the game but i said nope im just LA b:pleased

You take more damage from poisons by being LA. Way to go for contradicting yourself.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

did i mention i was charmed srries b:victory

Rule - Heavens Tear

missqq wrote: »

You take more damage from poisons by being LA. Way to go for contradicting yourself.

There was no contradiction. The poster stated what they did. Being LA doesn't change what they did. If said poster had a mixed group and was taking phys damage as well as magical and attributes thier victory in this instance to that....who are you to say otherwise? Whether they would have taken more phys dmg and less poison dmg and what amounts is open to debate...but you weren't there, they were.

To the point of the post, BM's get AOE grind, wiz's get zhen and later fishing. Both are fun classes to play. Whichever one makes you smile the most is the one you should go with.

Godofdarknes - Lost City

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

O_o that was mean...

Anyways, in duels BM > Wiz every time because BMs have that dash move to catch up to our distance shrink, and once they get within range to stun it's pretty much over.

Everywhere else though (PvP), Wiz > BM. If the Wiz has a distance advantage at the outset of the fight then they should always win.

i guess u dont know how to kite dude
ive taken on BMs that are 7xs and 8xs and there is not a prob as long as u kite
and as for the BM sprint move or the barb tiger form pshh those are easy its called aerogear and distance shink then drop to the ground when their spell wheres off and comtinue kiting bc their speed spells have a longer cooldown time than ours^^

Chocooo - Lost City

Godofdarknes - Lost City wrote: »

i guess u dont know how to kite dude
ive taken on BMs that are 7xs and 8xs and there is not a prob as long as u kite
and as for the BM sprint move or the barb tiger form pshh those are easy its called aerogear and distance shink then drop to the ground when their spell wheres off and comtinue kiting bc their speed spells have a longer cooldown time than ours^^

Farstrike and Drakeray is almost enough to end the duel...
BM Sprint move is very easy to get rid of per say, but don't forget BMs can leap, forward and backwards (and given a good bm... who knows they can make use of backwards leap to go further forward), its VERY hard to kite a bm.

You probably dueled fairly weak duelers.

Pirodar - Sanctuary

Holy ****.

The OP asked about advantages and disadvantages of both classes so he can make an informed decision and You instantly come up with who can 2-shot 3-shot or some other shot who. (You know who I'm talking to). Do You even realise that PK stats is not all this game is about. Can You read at least one sentence past "Wizard vs"?

One data point for OP. One BM lvl 80 from my faction said today, he can make about 300k coins an hour by grinding solo. Haw do You my fellow wizards compare to that. I can barely do 100k but it my be just me. Please share your experience.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

making 150-200k at my lvl grinding at Minion of Alucard is not hard at all.
Last time I did one hour of grind was 15-17 min at Hydrolace for Justice then up in the air and hit Alucards for the rest of the time until the Justice timer ran out. About 190k worth of DQs + some other stuff (arrow, crappy gear, etc). This is at NPC prices. And I was honestly under the impression that the drops were really bad that time. So, yeah, at 69, making 200k/hour is not hard. Not at all. If u let your catshop with DQs, you might get to that 300k, or at least close enough.

Kristoph - Lost City

Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Holy ****.

The OP asked about advantages and disadvantages of both classes so he can make an informed decision and You instantly come up with who can 2-shot 3-shot or some other shot who. (You know who I'm talking to). Do You even realise that PK stats is not all this game is about. Can You read at least one sentence past "Wizard vs"?

One data point for OP. One BM lvl 80 from my faction said today, he can make about 300k coins an hour by grinding solo. Haw do You my fellow wizards compare to that. I can barely do 100k but it my be just me. Please share your experience.

I never checked how much per hour or anything, but I make quite a bit of money at fish.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

excuse my n00bism, but what fish?

Chocooo - Lost City

Level 88 Ultrafin Supreme at Sea Of Isolation.

Rinnve - Lost City

Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Haw do You my fellow wizards compare to that. I can barely do 100k but it my be just me. Please share your experience.

Lol? I get 150k/hour on those mermaidens near 58lvl ultrafin protectors (small isle in far north-east). Also, i easily make 400k/hour farming mats. Also, in lucky days i can make 1-2mil just lurking in west archo buying low selling high. Wizards are supposed to be smart, after all.

Pirodar - Sanctuary

Oh well it's never to late to learn.

Unfortunately I don't remember well how it was in the past in terms of numbers. I was grinding on Minions of Alucard and on Ultrafin Protectors. At 60 I was able to 2 shot Ultrafins. It went pretty fast. Sandstorm-> Stone rain -> next, Sandstorm -> Stone rain-> next. I don't think I made much more than 100k. Do maidens drop significantly better?

I was never able to two shot Minions. Can You two shot them Ursa?

What channeling reduction do You guys have? Do You use charms?

Later I was able to two shot Dragonmaids. Sandstorm -> stone rain -> next. Again pretty fast. I don't remember the numbers but below 200k for sure.

Lately I kill butterflies. I like them for the lack of resistant ones. With buffs it goes pretty fast too. pyro -> gush -> pyro -> gush -> next. Maybe they just drop badly.

Kristoph What skill combination do You use for those ultrafins and what's Your M attack? If you could provide some numbers describing How much they drop I would be grateful.

Rinnve - Lost City

Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't think I made much more than 100k. Do maidens drop significantly better?

Yes, drop rate is about 50% better, and they also drop Fine Meat which i sell for 3k each.

Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »

What channeling reduction do You guys have? Do You use charms?

-3% from weapon, but i do not notice it. I was told that minimum channeling to make some difference is about -20%. MP charm in pve is a waste, +50/+100mp regen powder is much better on money, especially if you have mount and so can farm herbs fast. HP charm nice to have, but not strictly necessary, self-heal or tree of protection will do it just fine (that is, for me with 98 vit. don't know about pure.)

Kristoph - Lost City

Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Later I was able to two shot Dragonmaids. Sandstorm -> stone rain -> next. Again pretty fast. I don't remember the numbers but below 200k for sure.

Lately I kill butterflies. I like them for the lack of resistant ones. With buffs it goes pretty fast too. pyro -> gush -> pyro -> gush -> next. Maybe they just drop badly.

Kristoph What skill combination do You use for those ultrafins and what's Your M attack? If you could provide some numbers describing How much they drop I would be grateful.

Dragonmaids were hot, SS->Gush->Stone Rain for me as LA. And yeah, Moth droprate sucks badly imo. I hated that place.


And for fish I use Sandstorm -> Phoenix -> Sandstorm -> Pitfall (lv1). I'm LA and only 83, so I do it like that to avoid getting hit, and it's pretty fast exp. My Matk is like 3.7-4.7 without cleric buffs. Not sure about the droprate, it easily covers any costs. I'll probably end up there later, I'll try and get some numbers then.