Sage/Demon Cleric

Valerien - Heavens Tear

So..
I thought about that some time now.
I think im going Demon, but my questionn now is:
How my is the Mag.Attack grow'n when u r demon?
and how would the Sage cleric argument about their choice to become sage?
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Alyyy - Sanctuary

http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php <-- the bonuses

im going demon (this is to early to say for me tho(rly rly early))i saw 1 sage cleric to now and at least 5 more demons so theyre quite rare if u ask meb:surrender


EDIT: im going sage :P

Inias - Heavens Tear

http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php ===> answer to all of your questions

if you want more info

demon => more about being inside battle more about killing ppl while still helping squadmembers etc

sage=> more about surviving , staying away from battle and healing=> keeping catapult puller alive

b:victory

Bowlinbob - Lost City

Ill probably go demon, only thing I hate about it is at 89 you get the... idk... pumpkin head demon fairy..


I mean c'mon... wtf is that o.Ob:surrender

Valerien - Heavens Tear

I heard that u get a "demon"bonus for beening Demon ;o nd i wanted to know how much taht is ._.
nd u get a DEF/Hp boni for beeing sage ;o

Inias - Heavens Tear

o_O

i've never heard of that b4

the only difference between sage and demon=> sage gets a skill that will give you 50(?) chi if u cast it

demon gets a skill that will take away 50(?) chi from opponent

and offcourse the skills that get different adds (read ecatomb)

Valerien - Heavens Tear

Yeah thats y i asked, nd hoped for a respons from a demon/sage ._.
so there is no such thing as that boni ;o
thats kinda crapy
thought i get like 2k more magic attack through going demon <.<

Aneemah - Heavens Tear

Not sure of this, but I think the Sage/Demon spark differs in an additional effect, and I think Sage Spark adds -% chen, while for demo its either %crit or more mattack...

chomon

i went sage mainly because i didnt find myself playing the game too long to have level 99 sage/demon skills to make a difference. Demon Clerics are more pvp-aspect while Sage-Clerics are more supportive. Sage Spark gives 25% damage reduction while Demon Spark gives 25% reduced channeling speed (i think?) and yah. Sometimes i wish i went demon but i dont think i'd be around for those higher level skills ;3

Bowlinbob - Lost City

Aneemah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not sure of this, but I think the Sage/Demon spark differs in an additional effect, and I think Sage Spark adds -% chen, while for demo its either %crit or more mattack...

Demon Spark- Discharge three Spark to recover 20% of your maximum MP, acquire 700% extra physical attack from weapons for 15 seconds, and increase attack rate by 25%. Grants invinciblity for 3 seconds after the discharge.

Sage Spark- Discharge three Spark to recover 20% of your maximum MP, acquire 700% extra physical attack from weapons for 15 seconds, and reduce all damage taken by 25%. Grants invinciblity for 3 seconds after the discharge.

According to ecatomb.b:bye

RedsRose - Lost City

Aneemah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not sure of this, but I think the Sage/Demon spark differs in an additional effect, and I think Sage Spark adds -% chen, while for demo its either %crit or more mattack...

The sparks are the same:

(Sage) Celestial Eruption
Requisite Cultivation: Aware of the Myriad

Discharge three Spark to recover 20% of your maximum MP, acquire 700% extra physical attack from weapons for 15 seconds, and reduce all damage taken by 25%. Grants invinciblity for 3 seconds after the discharge.

Requires 3 Spark.


Demonic Eruption
Requisite Cultivation: Aware of the Void

Discharge three Spark to recover 20% of your maximum MP, acquire 700% extra physical attack from weapons for 15 seconds, and increase attack rate by 25%. Grants invinciblity for 3 seconds after the discharge.

From here of course

Edit -- Was beaten to it by BowlinBob

Bowlinbob - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

The sparks are the same:

(Sage) Celestial Eruption
Requisite Cultivation: Aware of the Myriad

Discharge three Spark to recover 20% of your maximum MP, acquire 700% extra physical attack from weapons for 15 seconds, and reduce all damage taken by 25%. Grants invinciblity for 3 seconds after the discharge.

Requires 3 Spark.


Demonic Eruption
Requisite Cultivation: Aware of the Void

Discharge three Spark to recover 20% of your maximum MP, acquire 700% extra physical attack from weapons for 15 seconds, and increase attack rate by 25%. Grants invinciblity for 3 seconds after the discharge.

From here of course

Edit -- Was beaten to it by BowlinBob

b:chuckle Well you added colors :Pb:victory

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

Demon Spark- Discharge three Spark to recover 20% of your maximum MP, acquire 700% extra physical attack from weapons for 15 seconds, and increase attack rate by 25%. Grants invinciblity for 3 seconds after the discharge.

Sage Spark- Discharge three Spark to recover 20% of your maximum MP, acquire 700% extra physical attack from weapons for 15 seconds, and reduce all damage taken by 25%. Grants invinciblity for 3 seconds after the discharge.

According to ecatomb.b:bye

BTW...the 700% damage applies to mAtk as well.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

BTW...the 700% damage applies to mAtk as well.

Yea I noticed that some of the info on that site is a bit off. Oh well.. what are ya gonna do.

RedsRose - Lost City

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

b:chuckle Well you added colors :Pb:victory

Colors FTW!! b:chuckle

Bowlinbob - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

The sparks are the same:

Just wanted to note that there is a small difference between the 2 incase you missed it.


Demon Spark increases attack rate by 25%

Sage Spark reduces all damage taken by 25%

RedsRose - Lost City

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

Just wanted to note that there is a small difference between the 2 incase you missed it.

Yes there is....damage versus attack.

Guess should have used diff. wording...b:surrender

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

I have a question about plume shot...
Demon version: reduces both channel and cooldown times to 1.2 seconds.

Does that mean that the whole spell will be casted in just 1.2 secs instead of 2.5 that it curently is? that would be awesome.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have a question about plume shot...
Demon version: reduces both channel and cooldown times to 1.2 seconds.

Does that mean that the whole spell will be casted in just 1.2 secs instead of 2.5 that it curently is? that would be awesome.

They didn't word it very well i dont think it would be the whole spell to be reduced to 1.2 seconds. Since there was no mention of the "cast" time it just said channel and cooldown.

Inna - Heavens Tear

the original plume shot has channel of 1.5 and cooldown of 1.5. demon version just reduces those numbers to 1.2 where as sage version does an extra 800 damage. btw, from lv10 plume shot to demon/sage plume shot the damage it tacks on increases by about 2k.

Focus your psycic energy to form sharp quill arrows to attack the enemy. Inflicts physical damage equal to your base magic attack plus 100% of weapon damage plus 3390.0.

and for those of you who are thinking about going demon because of the extra bonus from demon spirit gift (150% increase in mag attack for x seconds), you might want to rethink it. Demon version of spirit gift is a pain to obtain. that's not to mention metal mastery (or any mastery for any class) is a pain to get too.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

Inna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the original plume shot has channel of 1.5 and cooldown of 1.5.

Not to sound rude or anything, but I wish people would log in and look at their attacks' description before posting. The Channel is 1.5 seconds yes, but the cooldown and cast time is 1 second each.

EDIT: i cant figure out how to post a screeny of plume shot ...

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Inias - Heavens Tear wrote: »

http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php ===> answer to all of your questions

if you want more info

demon => more about being inside battle more about killing ppl while still helping squadmembers etc

sage=> more about surviving , staying away from battle and healing=> keeping catapult puller alive

b:victory

Ur kidding me right? >__>;;;

Surprisingly for cleric, the agressive sounding 'demon' isnt that much front line. In a sense they are near equal in front line attributes.

Demon- will tend to have a faster cast time/recast included (only 1-2sec tho) and is very MP sufficient.

Sage- on the other hand, does not have that MP suffiency but the damage outcome is amplifed much more than demon. They do not have the faster cast attribute tho.

The thing is, these main attributes fast cast and the dmg increase can be substituted with shards, refining, and -%channeling gear. I would think the MP save on demon is the main thing that cant be subbed enough by MP recovery gears

Inias - Heavens Tear

Inna - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the original plume shot has channel of 1.5 and cooldown of 1.5. demon version just reduces those numbers to 1.2 where as sage version does an extra 800 damage. btw, from lv10 plume shot to demon/sage plume shot the damage it tacks on increases by about 2k.

Focus your psycic energy to form sharp quill arrows to attack the enemy. Inflicts physical damage equal to your base magic attack plus 100% of weapon damage plus 3390.0.

and for those of you who are thinking about going demon because of the extra bonus from demon spirit gift (150% increase in mag attack for x seconds), you might want to rethink it. Demon version of spirit gift is a pain to obtain. that's not to mention metal mastery (or any mastery for any class) is a pain to get too.

think about the great cyclone dealong 600 extra METAL damage
think about the wield thunder dealing a debuff of -30% metal defence
think about the stream of rejunevation that heals alot and gives 100% extra defence of equiped armor

while on the other hand sage has :
plume shot that has a good chance to one hit kill wizards and clerics ^^
a better healing
chi gaining skill from sage

so
guess wich way i'm going b:victory


btw i don't know about possibility of gaining those skill books
i'm only looking at skills you can get


and for decept ..

look at the revive skill etc
sage's great cyclone will slow enemy down more , while demon does more dmg
sage revive gets longer range, while demon gets faster casting of revive
sage get's (50% ?) chi out of sage skill demon can take away (50%?) chi from enemy => need to be close


that's why i said that
but yes offcourse a sage cleric can be inside battle too ^^
hell, if even an archer can be a catta puller XD

grtz

_tina_ - Lost City

Inias - Heavens Tear wrote: »

chi gaining skill from sage

sage get's (50% ?) chi out of sage skill demon can take away (50%?) chi from enemy => need to be close

Genies have a skill that gives chi b:victory
so that will no longer be a sage-only thing b:laugh

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

My Reason For Demon

Demon's spirits gift:Adds 220% weapon damage for 10 seconds, 0.5 second cast and 1 second cooldown,

What's good about this? It increases the power of your damage as well as heals, it's spammable and basically spark eruption, that costs no spark.

Demon Purify: It's annoying losing 20 chi each time I purify someone especially when I want to tempest while AoE grinding, Demon spirits gift using NO chi whatsoever makes this, a spell to desire.

Demon razor feathers: Lowers cool down to 6 seconds, I find will be useful while AoE grinding.

Demon weild thunder: This decreases the opponents metal defence by 30% for 20 seconds, stacks with elemental seal resulting in a -65% metal defence, better than undine strike.

Allthough there are other reasons, these are my main for choosing demon

Silence seal - won't gimp my damage
Chromatic seal - won't slow me down

two other reasons for Demon.

Demon spark increases attack rate, very usefull when damage dealing, since cleric skills have quit a long channelling time.

I am Pure INT cleric, and I believe Demon is the correct path when I get there.

Alyyy - Sanctuary

the bms and barbs wil go mad when they find out that the genie buff skils that are like ours (a random a from ours or the chanel speed increase) wil only be awailable to clericsb:laugh

Inias - Heavens Tear

@ mystic

have you thought about combo elemental seal=>wield thunder=> great cyclone XD

thats -30% mag def=> -30%metal def=> extra hard metal attack XD
== dead barb :d

also the stream of rejunevation is awesome ^^ heals alot +adds 100%extra phys def for ... sec

and revive goes from 6 sec chan time to 3 sec b:victory

i'm so gonna love demon b:pleased

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Demon spark does not increase attack rate for clerics, and even if it did, attack rate is melee! If you are going by the etcomb site for what the demon/sage spark does, its wrong.

Rinnve - Lost City

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Demon spark does not increase attack rate for clerics, and even if it did, attack rate is melee!

Demon spark has also -20% channeling effect (or was it 25%? 0_0). It is not mentioned in ecatomb but it was tested.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

Demon spark has also -20% channeling effect (or was it 25%? 0_0). It is not mentioned in ecatomb but it was tested.

Channeling is not attack rate. There is a huge difference as far as the game is concerned.

Inias - Heavens Tear

stop looking at websites and go and ask a demon cleric b:chuckle